Potential Offseason Moves

[Whole Truth]

It's bad enough to have traded for Jackson. Then again, if he gets banned for his off the court issues, maybe a blessing in disguise?

Wiggins on the other hand.....

Memphis are taking Wiggins to get Culver. He would be a good reclamation project. He's a fast twitch athlete that might thrive at a different pace with Ja. It should be noted he played better under Rubio a past first PG, than he did Teague.

The salary would be inconseuential as it would be burried in a 2-3yr development period. Memphis would have Jaren, Clarke, Culver, Ja & 2 slightly protected 1st in 2022/4. It's perfect alignment to infuse cheap talent into the young core or attach to Wiggins 30m expiring trade filler for a max player from a rebuilding team ...

Don't watch trading for Wiggins at face value.

I understand the reclamation project part. The guy hasn't inspire my confidence to get behind him to get better as a player. He didn't earned that enormous contract. He has played alongside a potential top ten center in KAT and hasn't taken advantage of his opportunities. Maybe it's possible that a change of teams could be the catalyst that wakes him up and forces him to dedicate himself to the game and to himself.

I don't expect anything out of Wiggins as a reclamation project but for tying some cap when you'll have quite a bit, I'd use that as leverage to steal Culver in trade. With the outside shot & upside that Wiggins, might put it together.

Even with Wiggins on roster next year Memphis will be well below the cap. The question is, is Culver worth it?.

[jman3134]

Culver is one of those character guys who is worth it. I don't see him having an impact beyond the defensive end at this point, but he is the kind of worker that develops in the league. Excellent intangibles and a smart guy.

[Whole Truth]

Houston is looking to acquire wing Andre Iguodala in a trade with the Grizzlies and sign free agent center JaVale McGee, according to a report from the Houston Chronicle.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/rockets-rumors-houston-hoping-trade-010617717.html?

The combo of trading for Iggy & wanting to sign McGee, I'm thinking the return would be Capela?.

Can't help but wonder if Boston is still interested?

I know Minnesota wanted to pair Kat with Capela at a point.

[Whole Truth]

Houston trade - (Capela) 14m for (Iggy) 17m

Minnesota trade - (Wiggins, Culver) 27.1m for (Russell) 29.2m

GS trade - (Russell) 29.2m for (Capela, Crowder, Anderson) 29.7m

Memphis trade - (Iggy, Crowder, Anderson) 33m for (Wiggins, Culver) 32.7m

[VCfor3]

Houston is looking to acquire wing Andre Iguodala in a trade with the Grizzlies and sign free agent center JaVale McGee, according to a report from the Houston Chronicle.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/rockets-rumors-houston-hoping-trade-010617717.html?

The combo of trading for Iggy & wanting to sign McGee, I'm thinking the return would be Capela?.

Can't help but wonder if Boston is still interested?

I know Minnesota wanted to pair Kat with Capela at a point.

I can't see them trading Capela for Iggy.

The trade would be Shumpert(S&T 14m with last two years not guaranteed) plus draft compensation for Iggy. I'm not sure if we get a 2nd, two 2nds, or a protected 1st in such a deal but any assets are good plus it saves money. Shump would have to agree to the deal, but maybe you talk to him about it and agree that we will buy him out for say 10m and then he can sign with a contender of his choice for the min.

[VCfor3]

So if we can get PHX to agree to send a fake 2nd to Utah (with us giving them 500k cash) to turn the Conley deal into a three team deal, I then think maybe the following could be interesting:

1. Turn the GSW trade into a three team deal with Houston (they send each other fake 2nds and we send both teams some cash for their trouble). Houston then gets Iggy and we get Shump S&T ($13.7m)+2020 HOU 1st lottery protected. This leaves us with an $11.7m TPE.

2a. If LAC wants to tell Kawhi that they are willing to sign Green if he comes and that is the difference in his decision, Harkless+2023 MIA 1st into our TPE.
2b. If LAC isn't an option, we could do Roberson+2024 OKC 1st (protected) into the TPE with a potential Crowder/PPat swap if it lowers the protections by a good bit.

3. Buy Shump out for about 10m so that he can go play for a contender. Then buy two of the following out for 2m less than their salary since they will make that up plus a little when they sign for a min elsewhere: Miles, Hill, Plumlee, and/or Roberson/Harkless.

4. Resign Wright to a fairly cheap deal if possible.

5. If we don't trade Crowder now, then flip him at the deadline for an asset.

After that the results of trading Conley and Jevon Carter would be:
Shumpert
Josh Jackson
Melton
Harkless
Crowder
Allen
#23 (Brandon Clarke minus a 2nd)
Utah 1st
GSW 1st
HOU 1st
MIA 1st

[Whole Truth]

Houston is looking to acquire wing Andre Iguodala in a trade with the Grizzlies and sign free agent center JaVale McGee, according to a report from the Houston Chronicle.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/rockets-rumors-houston-hoping-trade-010617717.html?

The combo of trading for Iggy & wanting to sign McGee, I'm thinking the return would be Capela?.

Can't help but wonder if Boston is still interested?

I know Minnesota wanted to pair Kat with Capela at a point.

I can't see them trading Capela for Iggy.

The trade would be Shumpert(S&T 14m with last two years not guaranteed) plus draft compensation for Iggy. I'm not sure if we get a 2nd, two 2nds, or a protected 1st in such a deal but any assets are good plus it saves money. Shump would have to agree to the deal, but maybe you talk to him about it and agree that we will buy him out for say 10m and then he can sign with a contender of his choice for the min.

They were going to trade Capela & a pick for Butler, why not Iggy without a pick with their options drying up?

If it's Shumpert. Harden is 31, that pick would have to be 2023-5 lightly protected similar to the Warriors 2024, to like that deal.

Houston is desperate to put a team around Harden, Shumpert does nothing for Memphis but block a roster spot.

[Whole Truth]

So if we can get PHX to agree to send a fake 2nd to Utah (with us giving them 500k cash) to turn the Conley deal into a three team deal, I then think maybe the following could be interesting:

1. Turn the GSW trade into a three team deal with Houston (they send each other fake 2nds and we send both teams some cash for their trouble). Houston then gets Iggy and we get Shump S&T ($13.7m)+2020 HOU 1st lottery protected. This leaves us with an $11.7m TPE.

2a. If LAC wants to tell Kawhi that they are willing to sign Green if he comes and that is the difference in his decision, Harkless+2023 MIA 1st into our TPE.
2b. If LAC isn't an option, we could do Roberson+2024 OKC 1st (protected) into the TPE with a potential Crowder/PPat swap if it lowers the protections by a good bit.

3. Buy Shump out for about 10m so that he can go play for a contender. Then buy two of the following out for 2m less than their salary since they will make that up plus a little when they sign for a min elsewhere: Miles, Hill, Plumlee, and/or Roberson/Harkless.

4. Resign Wright to a fairly cheap deal if possible.

5. If we don't trade Crowder now, then flip him at the deadline for an asset.

After that the results of trading Conley and Jevon Carter would be:
Shumpert
Josh Jackson
Melton
Harkless
Crowder
Allen
#23 (Brandon Clarke minus a 2nd)
Utah 1st
GSW 1st
HOU 1st
MIA 1st

Like the concept, Iggy to Houston for a pick, find a way to save cash, sign Green.

Would it be worth it for Utah for a 2nd?.

What about using the stretch provision?.

As it stands with -21 practical cap space. Waiving Bradley would bring it to 9m. Denouncing the cap hold beyond Clarke & Wright 10.7m, would bring it to 1-2m parctical cap space. Drop Delon 8m cap hold, use the stretch provision, Memphis might be able to sign Green but then their would be no veteran PG on roster to protect, backup Ja,

[VCfor3]

Houston is looking to acquire wing Andre Iguodala in a trade with the Grizzlies and sign free agent center JaVale McGee, according to a report from the Houston Chronicle.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/rockets-rumors-houston-hoping-trade-010617717.html?

The combo of trading for Iggy & wanting to sign McGee, I'm thinking the return would be Capela?.

Can't help but wonder if Boston is still interested?

I know Minnesota wanted to pair Kat with Capela at a point.

I can't see them trading Capela for Iggy.

The trade would be Shumpert(S&T 14m with last two years not guaranteed) plus draft compensation for Iggy. I'm not sure if we get a 2nd, two 2nds, or a protected 1st in such a deal but any assets are good plus it saves money. Shump would have to agree to the deal, but maybe you talk to him about it and agree that we will buy him out for say 10m and then he can sign with a contender of his choice for the min.

They were going to trade Capela & a pick for Butler, why not Iggy without a pick with their options drying up?

If it's Shumpert. Harden is 31, that pick would have to be 2023-5 lightly protected similar to the Warriors 2024, to like that deal.

Houston is desperate to put a team around Harden, Shumpert does nothing for Memphis but block a roster spot.

There is a pretty big difference between Butler and Iggy. They also were supposedly trying to move Gordon and Capela for the best pick they could and then reroute that pick to Philly for Butler. As for Shumpert, we can waive him or buy him out. He is just needed salary filler. It ultimately saves us a few mil and gets us probably a 1st when there appears to be no better options available. It also helps us PR-wise since not buying Iggy out in order to carry him into the season to trade him later would look like we are holding him hostage (a 17m well paid hostage but a hostage none the less).

[Whole Truth]

I can't see them trading Capela for Iggy.

The trade would be Shumpert(S&T 14m with last two years not guaranteed) plus draft compensation for Iggy. I'm not sure if we get a 2nd, two 2nds, or a protected 1st in such a deal but any assets are good plus it saves money. Shump would have to agree to the deal, but maybe you talk to him about it and agree that we will buy him out for say 10m and then he can sign with a contender of his choice for the min.

They were going to trade Capela & a pick for Butler, why not Iggy without a pick with their options drying up?

If it's Shumpert. Harden is 31, that pick would have to be 2023-5 lightly protected similar to the Warriors 2024, to like that deal.

Houston is desperate to put a team around Harden, Shumpert does nothing for Memphis but block a roster spot.

There is a pretty big difference between Butler and Iggy. They also were supposedly trying to move Gordon and Capela for the best pick they could and then reroute that pick to Philly for Butler. As for Shumpert, we can waive him or buy him out. He is just needed salary filler. It ultimately saves us a few mil and gets us probably a 1st when there appears to be no better options available. It also helps us PR-wise since not buying Iggy out in order to carry him into the season to trade him later would look like we are holding him hostage (a 17m well paid hostage but a hostage none the less).

Doesn't Shumpert have to agree to a buyout?.

[VCfor3]

So if we can get PHX to agree to send a fake 2nd to Utah (with us giving them 500k cash) to turn the Conley deal into a three team deal, I then think maybe the following could be interesting:

1. Turn the GSW trade into a three team deal with Houston (they send each other fake 2nds and we send both teams some cash for their trouble). Houston then gets Iggy and we get Shump S&T ($13.7m)+2020 HOU 1st lottery protected. This leaves us with an $11.7m TPE.

2a. If LAC wants to tell Kawhi that they are willing to sign Green if he comes and that is the difference in his decision, Harkless+2023 MIA 1st into our TPE.
2b. If LAC isn't an option, we could do Roberson+2024 OKC 1st (protected) into the TPE with a potential Crowder/PPat swap if it lowers the protections by a good bit.

3. Buy Shump out for about 10m so that he can go play for a contender. Then buy two of the following out for 2m less than their salary since they will make that up plus a little when they sign for a min elsewhere: Miles, Hill, Plumlee, and/or Roberson/Harkless.

4. Resign Wright to a fairly cheap deal if possible.

5. If we don't trade Crowder now, then flip him at the deadline for an asset.

After that the results of trading Conley and Jevon Carter would be:
Shumpert
Josh Jackson
Melton
Harkless
Crowder
Allen
#23 (Brandon Clarke minus a 2nd)
Utah 1st
GSW 1st
HOU 1st
MIA 1st

Like the concept, Iggy to Houston for a pick, find a way to save cash, sign Green.

Would it be worth it for Utah for a 2nd?.

What about using the stretch provision?.

As it stands with -21 practical cap space. Waiving Bradley would bring it to 9m. Denouncing the cap hold beyond Clarke & Wright 10.7m, would bring it to 1-2m parctical cap space. Drop Delon 8m cap hold, use the stretch provision, Memphis might be able to sign Green but then their would be no veteran PG on roster to protect, backup Ja,

You counted Delon twice I think. I don't think there is a way for us to get enough cap space to outright sign Green unless we waive and stretch a ton of money which is very ill-advised. I also can't see us not signing Clarke.

As for Utah, it doesn't matter to them. Nothing changes on their end except the get a 2nd that will never convey so doing the trade and incurring good will is worth it to them. PHX is the only team that needs minor convincing since it would cause them to have to send out an additional fake 2nd (aka top 55 protected). Or we just take the 2020 2nd we are getting and send selections 56-60 to Utah. There is no chance in hell PHX is a top 5 team so that would work for everyone involved.

[VCfor3]

They were going to trade Capela & a pick for Butler, why not Iggy without a pick with their options drying up?

If it's Shumpert. Harden is 31, that pick would have to be 2023-5 lightly protected similar to the Warriors 2024, to like that deal.

Houston is desperate to put a team around Harden, Shumpert does nothing for Memphis but block a roster spot.

There is a pretty big difference between Butler and Iggy. They also were supposedly trying to move Gordon and Capela for the best pick they could and then reroute that pick to Philly for Butler. As for Shumpert, we can waive him or buy him out. He is just needed salary filler. It ultimately saves us a few mil and gets us probably a 1st when there appears to be no better options available. It also helps us PR-wise since not buying Iggy out in order to carry him into the season to trade him later would look like we are holding him hostage (a 17m well paid hostage but a hostage none the less).

Doesn't Shumpert have to agree to a buyout?.

To a buyout yes. He also has to agree to a S&T. We can waive him ourselves if we have to but he would be a good locker room guy for us if we ended up keeping him.

[Whole Truth]

Concerning Iggy. He signed an agreement, that agreement was traded/handed to Memphis.

If he wants out, to break the agreement, then he has to waive it. Why should Memphis have to pay for him to get his preference?, that was not part of the agreement. He should have put a no trade clause in it.

You want out, Iggy. Cancel your agreement & make a new one in your preferred destination. Memphis isn't paying for your preference, they're responsible for the said contract.

[VCfor3]

Concerning Iggy. He signed an agreement, that agreement was traded/handed to Memphis.

If he wants out, to break the agreement, then he has to waive it. Why should Memphis have to pay for him to get his preference?, that was not part of the agreement. He should have put a no trade clause in it.

You want out, Iggy. Cancel your agreement & make a new one in your preferred destination. Memphis isn't paying for your preference, they're responsible for the said contract.

He can't just waive/cancel it. He can work with Memphis to agree to a buyout, but Memphis would have to agree. If Memphis would prefer to keep him and try to trade him later then there is nothing he can do about it except be upset. He hasn't publicly asked for a buyout yet that I've seen, but if he does and we don't work with him then it is a bad look for us and doesn't curry favor with other agents/players. We aren't a free agent destination as is, so coming across as a franchise that isn't player friendly would make it even harder. It isn't a big thing, but it is a thing that should still be considered by the FO.

[Whole Truth]

Concerning Iggy. He signed an agreement, that agreement was traded/handed to Memphis.

If he wants out, to break the agreement, then he has to waive it. Why should Memphis have to pay for him to get his preference?, that was not part of the agreement. He should have put a no trade clause in it.

You want out, Iggy. Cancel your agreement & make a new one in your preferred destination. Memphis isn't paying for your preference, they're responsible for the said contract.

He can't just waive/cancel it. He can work with Memphis to agree to a buyout, but Memphis would have to agree. If Memphis would prefer to keep him and try to trade him later then there is nothing he can do about it except be upset. He hasn't publicly asked for a buyout yet that I've seen, but if he does and we don't work with him then it is a bad look for us and doesn't curry favor with other agents/players. We aren't a free agent destination as is, so coming across as a franchise that isn't player friendly would make it even harder. It isn't a big thing, but it is a thing that should still be considered by the FO.

Raptor fans used to say the same thing, they're not a FA destination. Winning changes that, cures all. If Memphis build a core that can win they'll attract FA's.

I'm willing to work with Iggy, you want out. I agree to let you go, if you waive your contract.

How could Memphis look bad for letting him out of his deal but not wanting to pay for it?. I'd think Iggy will look like he wants to have his cake & to eat it too. There's absolutely no reason Memphis should have to pay him to not want to play for them or honor his agreement. If Iggy wants the money, then honor the **** contract.

[VCfor3]

Concerning Iggy. He signed an agreement, that agreement was traded/handed to Memphis.

If he wants out, to break the agreement, then he has to waive it. Why should Memphis have to pay for him to get his preference?, that was not part of the agreement. He should have put a no trade clause in it.

You want out, Iggy. Cancel your agreement & make a new one in your preferred destination. Memphis isn't paying for your preference, they're responsible for the said contract.

He can't just waive/cancel it. He can work with Memphis to agree to a buyout, but Memphis would have to agree. If Memphis would prefer to keep him and try to trade him later then there is nothing he can do about it except be upset. He hasn't publicly asked for a buyout yet that I've seen, but if he does and we don't work with him then it is a bad look for us and doesn't curry favor with other agents/players. We aren't a free agent destination as is, so coming across as a franchise that isn't player friendly would make it even harder. It isn't a big thing, but it is a thing that should still be considered by the FO.

Raptor fans used to say the same thing, they're not a FA destination. Winning changes that, cures all. If Memphis build a core that can win they'll attract FA's.

I'm willing to work with Iggy, you want out. I agree to let you go, if you waive your contract.

How could Memphis look bad for letting him out of his deal but not wanting to pay for it?. I'd think Iggy will look like he wants to have his cake & to eat it too. There's absolutely no reason Memphis should have to pay him to not want to play for them or honor his agreement. If Iggy wants the money, then honor the **** contract.

Honest question, who all has Toronto signed?

And yeah Memphis can ask Iggy to take a large buyout (you aren't getting 17m back but you can ask for quite a bit) but if Memphis decides trading him for an asset is worth more than just getting savings that can't be used for anything then you run into a problem. He could offer to give a lot back and Memphis say "nah we'd rather trade you later for a 1st" and that would be a PR hit to Memphis after such a great offseason. Again, it isn't a big thing but it would be something the FO needs to consider. They are looked upon favorably right now. If we can put together a strong showing with our young guys this season then we have a chance at some of the young RFAs signing offer sheets with us next offseason. A promising Atlanta team will have a ton of cap as well and be competing against us. Something as small as how we treat Iggy could be a deciding factor for someone.

[jman3134]

Players would rather play with Ja than Trae, mark my words. Given how we treated Mike Conley and sent him to a contender, I doubt not buying Iggy out has much of an impact. We don't owe him anything.

[Whole Truth]

He can't just waive/cancel it. He can work with Memphis to agree to a buyout, but Memphis would have to agree. If Memphis would prefer to keep him and try to trade him later then there is nothing he can do about it except be upset. He hasn't publicly asked for a buyout yet that I've seen, but if he does and we don't work with him then it is a bad look for us and doesn't curry favor with other agents/players. We aren't a free agent destination as is, so coming across as a franchise that isn't player friendly would make it even harder. It isn't a big thing, but it is a thing that should still be considered by the FO.

Raptor fans used to say the same thing, they're not a FA destination. Winning changes that, cures all. If Memphis build a core that can win they'll attract FA's.

I'm willing to work with Iggy, you want out. I agree to let you go, if you waive your contract.

How could Memphis look bad for letting him out of his deal but not wanting to pay for it?. I'd think Iggy will look like he wants to have his cake & to eat it too. There's absolutely no reason Memphis should have to pay him to not want to play for them or honor his agreement. If Iggy wants the money, then honor the **** contract.

Honest question, who all has Toronto signed?

And yeah Memphis can ask Iggy to take a large buyout (you aren't getting 17m back but you can ask for quite a bit) but if Memphis decides trading him for an asset is worth more than just getting savings that can't be used for anything then you run into a problem. He could offer to give a lot back and Memphis say "nah we'd rather trade you later for a 1st" and that would be a PR hit to Memphis after such a great offseason. Again, it isn't a big thing but it would be something the FO needs to consider. They are looked upon favorably right now. If we can put together a strong showing with our young guys this season then we have a chance at some of the young RFAs signing offer sheets with us next offseason. A promising Atlanta team will have a ton of cap as well and be competing against us. Something as small as how we treat Iggy could be a deciding factor for someone.

Hedo, Carroll & soon to be Kawhi. There's a couple more but I didn't feel like digging. Portland wanted Hedo off the Magic finals run, Carroll came off a strong year with Atlanta, both dissappointed in their acquisition. Kawhi was traded for & despite his original intent to solely play in LA, I feel he ends up back in TO off a championship.

Iggy - Houston trade

Cavs trade - (Smith, 1st) for (Gordon)

Houston trade - (Gordon, 2m TPE) for (Iggy)

Memphis trade - (Iggy) for (Smith, 1st, 2 TPE)

Waive Smith 15m/4m, Bradley 12m/2m guarantee save 21m. If Memphis retain Wright, Noah & Clarke, Denounce the rest. Free's up roughly 9m. Plus the 2m difference between Gordon & Iggy = Total 32m from -20 practical cap space = 12m practical cap space.

Variation of the idea if Memphis know they can resign Noah, possibly let go Wright 8m cap hold.

Cavs trade - (Smith, Clarkson, 1st) for (Gordon, Plumlee, Allen)

Houston trade - (Gordon, 2m TPE) for (Iggy)

Memphis trade - (Iggy, Plumlee, Allen) for (Smith, Clarkson, 2m TPE 1st)

Waive Smith, Bradley 21m, Denounce everyone besides Wright Noah & Clarke 10m, 2m trade difference = 33m for + 13m cap space.

13m CP + Buyout Hill, stretch Clarkson = Sign Danny G.

C - Jonas / Noah / Rabb

PF - 3J / Crowder / Clarke

SF - Jackson / Anderson / Miles

SG - D.Green / Brooks / Bruno

PG - Ja / Wright / Melton

+ Cavs 2021 1st (protection?), Utah 2022 1st 1-6, GS 1st 2024 1-4

[Whole Truth]

Sam Amick
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@sam_amick

As for the Kings, the prospect of them landing Dewayne Dedmon is very real. Also, sources tell @TheAthletic Sacramento is ONE OF the secured scenarios for Houston's Clint Capela if Jimmy Butler decides to come Houston's way (the Rockets have more than one; highest bidder wins).

1:19 PM - Jun 30, 2019

a league source confirmed to NBC Sports California that the Kings were not willing to deal a first-round draft pick in exchange for Capela. That might be a major sticking point. The Kings have the salary-cap space to absorb the big man outright, and they have seven second-round picks in the next two NBA drafts.

LMAO

Houston trade - (Capela 16m) for (Iggy 17m)

Kings trada - (16m cap space, 2nd round pick) for (Capela)

Memphis trade - (Iggy 17m) to Houston for (16m TPE, Kings 2nd round pick)

[Whole Truth]

Houston trade - (Capela, Gordon) for (Iggy, Crowder, Rabb)

Cavs trade - (Smith) for (Gordon)

Kings trade - (16m TPE) for (Capela)

Memphis trade - (Iggy, Crowder, Rabb) for (Smith, 16m TPE, 2nd)

Waive Bradley, Smith (21m of 6m buyout), 16m TPE = 37m

Resign Wirght, Noah (Clarke) denounce the rest of cap holds = 9m

Total = 46m, -20m practical cap space = 26m (hit Minnesota up) or sign D.Green.