Grizzlies Trade Thread

[SD2042]

Earlier I had mentioned facilitating a Paul deal with Heat for a pick asset. Minnesota have found themselves in a desperate spot with Kat despite the trade denials, they're losing & he's reportedly unhappy.

Fansided has linked Minnesota to having interest in Paal but they have an issue, cap space.

Timberwolves president of basketball operations Gersson Rosas has expressed a desire for a long-term solution at the point guard position. This is surely where he will be directing the trade negotiations. However, there could be a number of issues with this.
There have been discussions around the league the Timberwolves might try and get Chris Paul. It is hard to see this panning out as to get the Oklahoma City Thunder star they would have to trade four players, including Teague and Covington, due to Paul’s contract. This would be too much for the Timberwolves.

The problem is the Timberwolves are over the salary cap and too close to the luxury tax threshold. Therefore, Minnesota would have to take back similar money in any trade (within 125 percent more than or less than the salaries going out).
For example, if they made an offer of Teague for Dennis Smith Jr. of the New York Knicks, with a $4.4 million salary coming back, Minnesota would have to take back at least another $10.8 million in order for the deal to be in compliance with the salary cap.

https://hoopshabit.com/2020/01/01/minnesota-timberwolves-rumors-jeff-teague-robert-covington/

Memphis help Minnesota facilitate a deal with OKC/Paul for a FRP.

Minnesota trade - (Teague 19m 1y, Covington 11m 4yrs, Dieng 16m 2y, Kates Diop 1.4m 2yrs) for (Paul 38m, 8m TE).

OKC trade - (Paul 38m) for (Covington, Teague, Hill) 22m expiring value & Covington.

Memphis trade - (Hill 12m, 5.6m TE) for (Dieng 16.2m, Kates Diop 1.4m + FRP from either OKC or Minnesota)

Here's a solid debate:

Is KAT worthy of being the ideal guy to build around as the alpha wolf in this case? Sure he's averaging the highest numbers on the team. Is he the leader the Wolves deserve right now. That's hard to say when the Wolves roster is a mess in itself. Andrew Wiggins is having a career resurgence. However, none of this is help the Wolves in the playoff standings at all. It looks like KAT will be the 2020's NBA version of AD23. Just like the Pels screwed up their chances to build around AD23, the Wolves are doing the same with KAT. I will agree that before it's all said and done, I think KAT may have an opportunity to be traded this year. If I'm the Wolves, I would go after the best offer for KAT. Start over and do right with their choices the second time around.

[Whole Truth]

Earlier I had mentioned facilitating a Paul deal with Heat for a pick asset. Minnesota have found themselves in a desperate spot with Kat despite the trade denials, they're losing & he's reportedly unhappy.

Fansided has linked Minnesota to having interest in Paal but they have an issue, cap space.

Timberwolves president of basketball operations Gersson Rosas has expressed a desire for a long-term solution at the point guard position. This is surely where he will be directing the trade negotiations. However, there could be a number of issues with this.
There have been discussions around the league the Timberwolves might try and get Chris Paul. It is hard to see this panning out as to get the Oklahoma City Thunder star they would have to trade four players, including Teague and Covington, due to Paul’s contract. This would be too much for the Timberwolves.

The problem is the Timberwolves are over the salary cap and too close to the luxury tax threshold. Therefore, Minnesota would have to take back similar money in any trade (within 125 percent more than or less than the salaries going out).
For example, if they made an offer of Teague for Dennis Smith Jr. of the New York Knicks, with a $4.4 million salary coming back, Minnesota would have to take back at least another $10.8 million in order for the deal to be in compliance with the salary cap.

https://hoopshabit.com/2020/01/01/minnesota-timberwolves-rumors-jeff-teague-robert-covington/

Memphis help Minnesota facilitate a deal with OKC/Paul for a FRP.

Minnesota trade - (Teague 19m 1y, Covington 11m 4yrs, Dieng 16m 2y, Kates Diop 1.4m 2yrs) for (Paul 38m, 8m TE).

OKC trade - (Paul 38m) for (Covington, Teague, Hill) 22m expiring value & Covington.

Memphis trade - (Hill 12m, 5.6m TE) for (Dieng 16.2m, Kates Diop 1.4m + FRP from either OKC or Minnesota)

Here's a solid debate:

Is KAT worthy of being the ideal guy to build around as the alpha wolf in this case? Sure he's averaging the highest numbers on the team. Is he the leader the Wolves deserve right now. That's hard to say when the Wolves roster is a mess in itself. Andrew Wiggins is having a career resurgence. However, none of this is help the Wolves in the playoff standings at all. It looks like KAT will be the 2020's NBA version of AD23. Just like the Pels screwed up their chances to build around AD23, the Wolves are doing the same with KAT. I will agree that before it's all said and done, I think KAT may have an opportunity to be traded this year. If I'm the Wolves, I would go after the best offer for KAT. Start over and do right with their choices the second time around.

I agree with you in that Minnesota should absolutely try to cash in, start a new. They're capped out in their current state & going nowhere fast. I didn't say fresh because in dumping Kat they will start a new with additional pick value by taking front. It wouldn't be a scratch rebuild because they're not recouping loss value. They currently have no direction to change sitting behind first year rebuilding teams. So much for a 4.0 win share, his team-mates must really suck.

I don't think Kat is ideal to build around, there's maybe 3-4 guys I think in the entire league worth building around. (James, Giannis, Kawhi, AD). A player like Kat, I think you can build with. Like you mention, he has an impressive 28 per & 4 win shares, yet Minnesota on a whole can't seem to win with him being that guy despite altering their roster over 5 yrs, not unlike Toronto (7yrs) trying to build around Bosh all how, when ultimately he was best as a 2/3 option to James & Wade. Minnesota as a team have averaged 30 wins in his 5yr career, with one exception, playing with a 2 way alpha wing like Butler, who added 16 wins to their 5yr average (47 wins) but then the alpha guy who lifted their team into playoff contention, calls Kat/Wiggins out. Look what Butler did in Chicago, is doing in Miami with Bam, rookie Herro & G-league call up Nunn. Then compare Minnesota's current state as Kat is reportedly disgruntled kind of makes you question stats like per & win share. In short, I think Kat's lacking both defensively & as a leader to be that guy but he's an offensive weapon.

I'd sooner build around 3J than Kat but also view 3J as a player to build with than around.
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With my trade suggestion for Kat, I was thinking he & 3J could really open the floor/paint for Ja's driving ability.. Clarke is hitting at a nice clip but it's selective shooting & not as respected/feared. Jaren would anchor the D, Kat can board, take over a game offensively & both are mobile enough to get out in transition, where Jonas slows the pace & occupies the paint for a change of pace/different look. Memphis could potentially utilize Clarke's defense at the 3, if they get a secondary ball handler & playmaker to play off of Ja. Just have him hit open shots & cut.

After mulling the idea over,I'm not sure I'd pay the kind of price it would take to land Kat for my concept. If Memphis were to luck into drafting Wiseman, I'd prefer him to Kat, so it be hard to potentially trade him + to land Kat

[Whole Truth]

Happy new year to all by the way, all the best to you & yours.

[SD2042]

Earlier I had mentioned facilitating a Paul deal with Heat for a pick asset. Minnesota have found themselves in a desperate spot with Kat despite the trade denials, they're losing & he's reportedly unhappy.

Fansided has linked Minnesota to having interest in Paal but they have an issue, cap space.

Timberwolves president of basketball operations Gersson Rosas has expressed a desire for a long-term solution at the point guard position. This is surely where he will be directing the trade negotiations. However, there could be a number of issues with this.
There have been discussions around the league the Timberwolves might try and get Chris Paul. It is hard to see this panning out as to get the Oklahoma City Thunder star they would have to trade four players, including Teague and Covington, due to Paul’s contract. This would be too much for the Timberwolves.

The problem is the Timberwolves are over the salary cap and too close to the luxury tax threshold. Therefore, Minnesota would have to take back similar money in any trade (within 125 percent more than or less than the salaries going out).
For example, if they made an offer of Teague for Dennis Smith Jr. of the New York Knicks, with a $4.4 million salary coming back, Minnesota would have to take back at least another $10.8 million in order for the deal to be in compliance with the salary cap.

https://hoopshabit.com/2020/01/01/minnesota-timberwolves-rumors-jeff-teague-robert-covington/

Memphis help Minnesota facilitate a deal with OKC/Paul for a FRP.

Minnesota trade - (Teague 19m 1y, Covington 11m 4yrs, Dieng 16m 2y, Kates Diop 1.4m 2yrs) for (Paul 38m, 8m TE).

OKC trade - (Paul 38m) for (Covington, Teague, Hill) 22m expiring value & Covington.

Memphis trade - (Hill 12m, 5.6m TE) for (Dieng 16.2m, Kates Diop 1.4m + FRP from either OKC or Minnesota)

Here's a solid debate:

Is KAT worthy of being the ideal guy to build around as the alpha wolf in this case? Sure he's averaging the highest numbers on the team. Is he the leader the Wolves deserve right now. That's hard to say when the Wolves roster is a mess in itself. Andrew Wiggins is having a career resurgence. However, none of this is help the Wolves in the playoff standings at all. It looks like KAT will be the 2020's NBA version of AD23. Just like the Pels screwed up their chances to build around AD23, the Wolves are doing the same with KAT. I will agree that before it's all said and done, I think KAT may have an opportunity to be traded this year. If I'm the Wolves, I would go after the best offer for KAT. Start over and do right with their choices the second time around.

I agree with you in that Minnesota should absolutely try to cash in, start a new. They're capped out in their current state & going nowhere fast. I didn't say fresh because in dumping Kat they will start a new with additional pick value by taking front. It wouldn't be a scratch rebuild because they're not recouping loss value. They currently have no direction to change sitting behind first year rebuilding teams. So much for a 4.0 win share, his team-mates must really suck.

I don't think Kat is ideal to build around, there's maybe 3-4 guys I think in the entire league worth building around. (James, Giannis, Kawhi, AD). A player like Kat, I think you can build with. Like you mention, he has an impressive 28 per & 4 win shares, yet Minnesota on a whole can't seem to win with him being that guy despite altering their roster over 5 yrs, not unlike Toronto (7yrs) trying to build around Bosh all how, when ultimately he was best as a 2/3 option to James & Wade. Minnesota as a team have averaged 30 wins in his 5yr career, with one exception, playing with a 2 way alpha wing like Butler, who added 16 wins to their 5yr average (47 wins) but then the alpha guy who lifted their team into playoff contention, calls Kat/Wiggins out. Look what Butler did in Chicago, is doing in Miami with Bam, rookie Herro & G-league call up Nunn. Then compare Minnesota's current state as Kat is reportedly disgruntled kind of makes you question stats like per & win share. In short, I think Kat's lacking both defensively & as a leader to be that guy but he's an offensive weapon.

I'd sooner build around 3J than Kat but also view 3J as a player to build with than around.
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With my trade suggestion for Kat, I was thinking he & 3J could really open the floor/paint for Ja's driving ability.. Clarke is hitting at a nice clip but it's selective shooting & not as respected/feared. Jaren would anchor the D, Kat can board, take over a game offensively & both are mobile enough to get out in transition, where Jonas slows the pace & occupies the paint for a change of pace/different look. Memphis could potentially utilize Clarke's defense at the 3, if they get a secondary ball handler & playmaker to play off of Ja. Just have him hit open shots & cut.

After mulling the idea over,I'm not sure I'd pay the kind of price it would take to land Kat for my concept. If Memphis were to luck into drafting Wiseman, I'd prefer him to Kat, so it be hard to potentially trade him + to land Kat

I'm thinking a deal for KAT may be too much of a gamble for the Grizzlies to do. I get your argument that both 3J and KAT can be that offense/defense tandem that can represent the frontcourt of the team. The team I feel that mostly could benefit from this is the Hawks. They have the better assets than we do and the players necessary to get KAT.

I am suggest this idea.

MINN KAT, Teague, and a future 2022 SRP

TO

ATL for Turner, Crabbe, D. Hunter, B. Fernando, 2020 FRP via BKN and 2022 ATL FRP

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I'm thinking a deal for KAT may be too much of a gamble for the Grizzlies to do. I get your argument that both 3J and KAT can be that offense/defense tandem that can represent the frontcourt of the team. The team I feel that mostly could benefit from this is the Hawks. They have the better assets than we do and the players necessary to get KAT.

I am suggest this idea.

MINN KAT, Teague, and a future 2022 SRP

TO

ATL for Turner, Crabbe, D. Hunter, B. Fernando, 2020 FRP via BKN and 2022 ATL FRP

After I made my post, I was watching NBA TV who replayed the Minnesota, Bucks match. I didn't know Minnesota were a possession away from beating the Bucks without Kat & Wiggins. Would have been 2 in a row & against top end competition they looked better without Kat.

Let Atlanta have at him.

[Whole Truth]

Saw a trade on the OKC board. I liked the concept/structure but would tweak the value

- (Crowder/Brooks) for (Roberson, Denver 2020 1st)

With them sitting 7th, trading a late Denver 2020 first for either Iggy or Jae is well worth it.

[SD2042]

I'm thinking a deal for KAT may be too much of a gamble for the Grizzlies to do. I get your argument that both 3J and KAT can be that offense/defense tandem that can represent the frontcourt of the team. The team I feel that mostly could benefit from this is the Hawks. They have the better assets than we do and the players necessary to get KAT.

I am suggest this idea.

MINN KAT, Teague, and a future 2022 SRP

TO

ATL for Turner, Crabbe, D. Hunter, B. Fernando, 2020 FRP via BKN and 2022 ATL FRP

After I made my post, I was watching NBA TV who replayed the Minnesota, Bucks match. I didn't know Minnesota were a possession away from beating the Bucks without Kat & Wiggins. Would have been 2 in a row & against top end competition they looked better without Kat.

Let Atlanta have at him.

If that's the case, it seems like KAT could be the issue himself. KAT could be as soft personality wise as Jimmy Butler suggested during his short tenure with the Wolves. He's not the glue that holds the team together. Both KAT and Wiggins for their efforts are not the guys teams can build around for the future. It's best for the Wolves to move on from these guys and start fresh with new guys and future picks. Perhaps if KAT were to go to the ATL, at least they have a strong personality in Trae Young to command the reins. KAT can be the second option to Trae and so forth. As for Wiggins, he can be someone's complimentary option as well.Maybe collect a couple of vets to school these new players like how CP3 and Gallo is doing in OKC.

[SD2042]

Saw a trade on the OKC board. I liked the concept/structure but would tweak the value

- (Crowder/Brooks) for (Roberson, Denver 2020 1st)

With them sitting 7th, trading a late Denver 2020 first for either Iggy or Jae is well worth it.

It's a potential maybe as the Grizzlies do get more cap space and a future 1st via Denver. I can live with that one.

[VCfor3]

Saw a trade on the OKC board. I liked the concept/structure but would tweak the value

- (Crowder/Brooks) for (Roberson, Denver 2020 1st)

With them sitting 7th, trading a late Denver 2020 first for either Iggy or Jae is well worth it.

It's a potential maybe as the Grizzlies do get more cap space and a future 1st via Denver. I can live with that one.

Would whoever we get late be worth giving Brooks up for? I don't see Brooks as a starter for us, but he could be a solid 6th man who provides a scoring punch off the bench.

[SD2042]

Saw a trade on the OKC board. I liked the concept/structure but would tweak the value

- (Crowder/Brooks) for (Roberson, Denver 2020 1st)

With them sitting 7th, trading a late Denver 2020 first for either Iggy or Jae is well worth it.

It's a potential maybe as the Grizzlies do get more cap space and a future 1st via Denver. I can live with that one.

Would whoever we get late be worth giving Brooks up for? I don't see Brooks as a starter for us, but he could be a solid 6th man who provides a scoring punch off the bench.

It's a true point. Right now for me, the Grizzlies seem caught between making the playoffs and working on drafting. It's very possible they could move on from certain pieces to "help" them on drafting the best player available or use their position to trade the draft pick and take on a player who's coming into his prime.

[Whole Truth]

Saw a trade on the OKC board. I liked the concept/structure but would tweak the value

- (Crowder/Brooks) for (Roberson, Denver 2020 1st)

With them sitting 7th, trading a late Denver 2020 first for either Iggy or Jae is well worth it.

It's a potential maybe as the Grizzlies do get more cap space and a future 1st via Denver. I can live with that one.

Would whoever we get late be worth giving Brooks up for? I don't see Brooks as a starter for us, but he could be a solid 6th man who provides a scoring punch off the bench.

I was thinking a different version of that suggestion, one without Brooks but based on the concept of either Iggy or Crowder aiding their unexpected playoff push.

[SD2042]

It's a potential maybe as the Grizzlies do get more cap space and a future 1st via Denver. I can live with that one.

Would whoever we get late be worth giving Brooks up for? I don't see Brooks as a starter for us, but he could be a solid 6th man who provides a scoring punch off the bench.

I was thinking a different version of that suggestion, one without Brooks but based on the concept of either Iggy or Crowder aiding their unexpected playoff push.

What do you have in mind?

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Would whoever we get late be worth giving Brooks up for? I don't see Brooks as a starter for us, but he could be a solid 6th man who provides a scoring punch off the bench.

I was thinking a different version of that suggestion, one without Brooks but based on the concept of either Iggy or Crowder aiding their unexpected playoff push.

What do you have in mind?

Nothing drastic

(Crowder, Bruno, 2nd) for (Roberson, Denver 1st)

2-1 deal to open a roster spot which could help aid an Iggy trade (Harkless, Robinson)?

Move up the value of a late 2nd round pick.

OKC were rumored to be waiving Patton's 1.6m to get under the luxury tax, this deal gives them a small 1.2 TE from Memphis where they might not have to waive Patton to get under the tax. Maybe this benefit alone of getting them under the luxury tax would supplement Memphis having to add the value of a 2nd round pick?

[SD2042]

I was thinking a different version of that suggestion, one without Brooks but based on the concept of either Iggy or Crowder aiding their unexpected playoff push.

What do you have in mind?

Nothing drastic

(Crowder, Bruno, 2nd) for (Roberson, Denver 1st)

2-1 deal to open a roster spot which could help aid an Iggy trade (Harkless, Robinson)?

Move up the value of a late 2nd round pick.

OKC were rumored to be waiving Patton's 1.6m to get under the luxury tax, this deal gives them a small 1.2 TE from Memphis where they might not have to waive Patton to get under the tax. Maybe this benefit alone of getting them under the luxury tax would supplement Memphis having to add the value of a 2nd round pick?

It's not a bad deal. We take a FRP off their hands for getting Roberson's contract and they can get Crowder who adds to their defense in the starting lineup.

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What do you have in mind?

Nothing drastic

(Crowder, Bruno, 2nd) for (Roberson, Denver 1st)

2-1 deal to open a roster spot which could help aid an Iggy trade (Harkless, Robinson)?

Move up the value of a late 2nd round pick.

OKC were rumored to be waiving Patton's 1.6m to get under the luxury tax, this deal gives them a small 1.2 TE from Memphis where they might not have to waive Patton to get under the tax. Maybe this benefit alone of getting them under the luxury tax would supplement Memphis having to add the value of a 2nd round pick?

It's not a bad deal. We take a FRP off their hands for getting Roberson's contract and they can get Crowder who adds to their defense in the starting lineup.

The 2-1 also opens a roster spot depending on what they trade Iggy for.

1-2 deal to a contender
or
taking back a bad contract for his expiring/s.

I saw some Memphis fans talking about having to waive a player in order to trade Iggy, this resolves Memphis having to buy anyone out for that roster spot.

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One general manager said the Lakers would ask for a high rotation player—preferably a point guard—who could bolster the chances for LeBron James and Anthony Davis to earn a spot in the Finals, as well as a first-round draft pick that projects to be in or around the lottery.

Lakers would also consider two potential lesser first-round picks as part of a package for Kuzma.

One Lakers target, for example, is the Grizzlies’ Andre Iguodala. But Memphis has been stubborn in refusing to move Iguodala without getting a first-round pick in return. A haul for Kuzma could facilitate an Iugodala trade.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Danny Green are the Lakers’ best options but both give up around a half-foot to Antetokounmpo and don’t have the combination of muscle and IQ to handle him. It’s players like Antetokounmpo who make the Lakers so covetous of Memphis guard Andre Iguodala, who has yet to play this season as he waits for the Grizzlies to find a new home for him. Iguodala wants to play for a contender and the Grizzlies want a first-round pick for him.

“They haven’t budged,” one league executive told Heavy.com. “Maybe they will as the date gets closer, but they’ve made clear, they’re not interested in a buyout with Andre and they’re looking for a first-rounder. Teams have been trying. They haven’t let go of that. But that tells you they know they’ll be able to get something and won’t have to buy him out.”

https://heavy.com/sports/2020/01/nba-trade-rumors-player-first-rounders-part-of-lakers-high-price-for-kyle-kuzma/

Lakers trading Kuzma for pick assets to help facilitate an Iggy trade? Linked to Magic, Augustin with Fultz taking the lead guard.

(Kuzma + Rondo + Cousins filler) for (Augustin + 1st)

- Lakers land (Augustin, Iggy) for (Rondo, KCP, Kuzma)
- Magic land (Kuzma, Rondo, expiring) for (Augustin, 1st)
- Memphis land (Filler/s, Magic first) for (Iggy)

I wonder if Lakers would entertain Greens 2yrs for Iggy, seeing that Green hasn't had the best of seasons as the potential filler. They would be shedding a year off his contract in combination with getting better defensive length & playmaking?.

Lakers trade - (Green 14m, Rondo 2.6m, Cousins 3.5m, Kuzma 2m) 21.5m for (Iggy 17m, Augustin 7m) 24m

Magic trade - (Augustin 7.6m, 1st) 7m for (Kuzma 2m, Rondo 2.6m, Cousins 3.5m) 8m

Memphis trade - (Iggy 17 1y) for (Green 14m 2y, Magic 1st)

Reason I had Cousins expiring going to Magic is because Memphis have no open roster spots but those details can change if Memphis decide to buyout someone like Bruno who's hardly playing.

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The alternative to Green for Iggy is KCP + Fillers. I was thinking they might want to shed Greens 2yr contract with the year he's having to go with the younger KCP.

If they want to keep Green, KCP is the only other viable filler to make a Iggy trade combined with Cousins & another small filler.

[Whole Truth]

Memphis trade (Iggy 17m, Gaduric 2m) to Portland for (Bazemore 19m, 2nd)

Shed a roster spot & net a 2nd round pick

[VCfor3]

Hollinger & Duncan podcast was talking about how they like the fit of a potential Crowder to Boston trade. Memphis could ask for the MIL 1st though getting the CLE 2nd is more likely.

[Whole Truth]

I might be close

ESPN Bobby Marks "one question the Lakers are considering is what a package of Kyle Kuzma, DeMarcus Cousins, and Quinn Cook could bring back in return".

https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-trade-rumors-los-angeles-gauging-potential-return-kyle-kuzma-demarcus-cousins-quinn-cook-package/

That package is 8.5m. I figured they'd want to move Rondo & keep the shooter but maybe they prefer the vet, experience.

SD would Orlando like a package of (Kuzma & Cook) for (Augustin, mid to late 2020 first, Cousins expiring) ?