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Never been sold on the guy. Too much of a tweener and he doesn't have a true define position.

He's horrible, i have more faith in leuer to get minutes as a stretch 4 than this guy and he's even worse as a sf. They should sign some shot blockers to training camp, maybe sean williams if he's available. Or possibly try out some unknown hustle player like dallas lauderdale. Or one of the many undrafted rookies, i'm sure there's a couple of solid overlooked hustle players among them.

Another backup sf would be welcome as well, i believe delfino is still available and alonzo gee supposedly will get waived so he could be a good option. I'd probably invite corey maggette but i'm guessing his knees are pretty much done otherwise he'd be on a roster somewhere. Maybe mickael pietrus, i don't know what his problem is.

what about Nenad Kristc?
he really departed quickly.

http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2014/
I'd look at these:
Ayon, Gustavo
Beasley, Michael
Cunningham, Dante
Maxiell, Jason http://www.nba.com/magic/magic-waive-jason-maxiell
Villanueva, Charlie (worth a vet min contract?)
Singleton, Chris

Surely we can outbid the Shandong province Tigers? http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... y-Shandong

im still intrigue about Beasley... I like dante but i prefer give those minutes to Leuer, Prince, Stokes.
Delfino is still injured and i dont know if hes gonna be healty again. i think he has the same injury of Ilgaukas, Ming.

I see both AYon and Beasley linked to the Spurs...
Jamaal Franklin as well for that metter

vanjulio wrote:what about Nenad Kristc?
he really departed quickly.

http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2014/
I'd look at these:
Ayon, Gustavo
Beasley, Michael
Cunningham, Dante
Maxiell, Jason http://www.nba.com/magic/magic-waive-jason-maxiell
Villanueva, Charlie (worth a vet min contract?)
Singleton, Chris

Surely we can outbid the Shandong province Tigers? http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... y-Shandong

Gonna be honest, not sure I want any of these guys on my team, Avon Gustavo wouldnt be bad, but I am still not sold on him, and we have koufus for now, michael beasley is okay, but he has a bit of an attitude problem sometimes , same for Charlie Villanueva, Chris Singleton is pretty good, but I am just not sure what he brings to the grizzlies system that they dont already have same for Maxiell, Dante Cunningham is another guy who is not bad , but I am not sure where he fits in the rotation with Leur and Stokes

Of all the guys who are in the training camp vying for the last spot, I like earl clark and I think he could really make the team if he played at the same level he did with the lakers, and I know he has been beefing up, but the problem is like was said before, we have leur , we have guys who can essentially do his job, and if you read about Earl Clark he doesn't do well at all in systems like the grizzlies and his numbers have also been down over the last year and a half, I like Luke Hancock, he is a solid player, he is a viable option, my problem is we have Q-Pon and I am not a big fan of Q-Pon, but hancock has no professional experience, and I actually believe Q-Pon has a legitmate chance of breaking the starting lineup for atleast 30 games this season barring injury. So if they could pick anyone, I would go with Patrick Christopher off of their D-Leuge Roster, the man is a beast and clearly ready for NBA action, and where he plays a similar role to Vince Carter, I am not sure I would pass this guy up. I love the Physical build of Whiteside, but unless he comes into this season looking like an allstar center, he isnt worth it, he has the physical gifts, just not the basketball skills nor IQ

I didn't want to make a new topic for this so i'll just put it here, not that it really matters on this board.

Anyway, i just realized jermaine o'neal is still a free agent. Now, i obviously don't know what chris wallace is doing or has attempted to do but in case he hasn't tried yet he should do anything he can to get jermaine imo. He'd fill the hole of first big of the bench for cheap. We already missed out on brand who re-signed for only 2mil in atlanta.

Anyone disagree? I know he's old and had surgery last year but he did come back strong and played very well for the rest of the season. Does this team even have anything left to sign him if he wants to come to memphis? Cap space, mle, or anything else?

Vinsanity_GOAT wrote:I didn't want to make a new topic for this so i'll just put it here, not that it really matters on this board.

Anyway, i just realized jermaine o'neal is still a free agent. Now, i obviously don't know what chris wallace is doing or has attempted to do but in case he hasn't tried yet he should do anything he can to get jermaine imo. He'd fill the hole of first big of the bench for cheap. We already missed out on brand who re-signed for only 2mil in atlanta.

Anyone disagree? I know he's old and had surgery last year but he did come back strong and played very well for the rest of the season. Does this team even have anything left to sign him if he wants to come to memphis? Cap space, mle, or anything else?

Hey, you are not a Grizzlies fan, no?

jumivi wrote:

Vinsanity_GOAT wrote:I didn't want to make a new topic for this so i'll just put it here, not that it really matters on this board.

Anyway, i just realized jermaine o'neal is still a free agent. Now, i obviously don't know what chris wallace is doing or has attempted to do but in case he hasn't tried yet he should do anything he can to get jermaine imo. He'd fill the hole of first big of the bench for cheap. We already missed out on brand who re-signed for only 2mil in atlanta.

Anyone disagree? I know he's old and had surgery last year but he did come back strong and played very well for the rest of the season. Does this team even have anything left to sign him if he wants to come to memphis? Cap space, mle, or anything else?

Hey, you are not a Grizzlies fan, no?

I will be for as long as vince plays in memphis. Why do you ask?

Zordor wrote:

vanjulio wrote:what about Nenad Kristc?
he really departed quickly.

http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2014/
I'd look at these:
Ayon, Gustavo
Beasley, Michael
Cunningham, Dante
Maxiell, Jason http://www.nba.com/magic/magic-waive-jason-maxiell
Villanueva, Charlie (worth a vet min contract?)
Singleton, Chris

Surely we can outbid the Shandong province Tigers? http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... y-Shandong

Gonna be honest, not sure I want any of these guys on my team, Avon Gustavo wouldnt be bad, but I am still not sold on him, and we have koufus for now, michael beasley is okay, but he has a bit of an attitude problem sometimes , same for Charlie Villanueva, Chris Singleton is pretty good, but I am just not sure what he brings to the grizzlies system that they dont already have same for Maxiell, Dante Cunningham is another guy who is not bad , but I am not sure where he fits in the rotation with Leur and Stokes

Well looks like they went with SuperCoolBeas after all!
I read that his attitude problem was not a factor in Miami last year. But he didn't get much playing time in the playoffs. How old was ZBO when he came to the Grizz and turned his career around? It would make a great story. the kid is only 25. Although we'll see. ZBO put up allstar numbers a long time even when he was a knucklehead. Beasly just knucklehead so far.

Ya, I think Beasley will do well with the Grizzlies, I am just not sure Joeger is the guy who can instill a winning attitude in him and get him to turn his career around, but maybe i am wrong. I still like Lionell Hollins more. I just think the Grizzlies really need to open up one more roster spot by trading away like calathes, prince, or Leur for a draft pick or some cap, because they have brought a nice pool of guys into training camp, and I like Luke Hancock because he grew up where I grew up, but I really think if they want to take Beas I would be good with that given he gets his act together, but I do think Patrick Christopher deserves to play in the NBA as a rotational player after some of the numbers and games he put together in the D-League with Memphis' D-League team Iowa Energy.

jumivi wrote:im still intrigue about Beasley... I like dante but i prefer give those minutes to Leuer, Prince, Stokes.
Delfino is still injured and i dont know if hes gonna be healty again. i think he has the same injury of Ilgaukas, Ming.

I really like his game and I hope that he can overcome his problems and become the great offensive player who I think he could be.

btw i hope he stays, another lefty

Zordor wrote:Ya, I think Beasley will do well with the Grizzlies, I am just not sure Joeger is the guy who can instill a winning attitude in him and get him to turn his career around, but maybe i am wrong. I still like Lionell Hollins more. I just think the Grizzlies really need to open up one more roster spot by trading away like calathes, prince, or Leur for a draft pick or some cap, because they have brought a nice pool of guys into training camp, and I like Luke Hancock because he grew up where I grew up, but I really think if they want to take Beas I would be good with that given he gets his act together, but I do think Patrick Christopher deserves to play in the NBA as a rotational player after some of the numbers and games he put together in the D-League with Memphis' D-League team Iowa Energy.

I don't mind Beasley trying out. Like you said, I don't think Joerger is the coach to help turn his career around and do the necessary things to get better as a player and clean up his image. I wish Beasley the best of luck in training camp.

I think this an excellent environment for career resurgence. Our younger stars players (Conley, Gasol) are the core of the TEAM and have team first mind, no egos. Then we have the veterans: Carter, Prince, Allen, Zbo, Udrih that are not competing with him, they all want to win.
Beasley is a scorer, mike and mark are more of facilitators, we need scorers and he could be a very very very good one. Hes still 25.
Jorger is a young coach, who (i hope) is still learning how to coach nba players, there are a lot of things i didnt like, but it was his first year... it wasnt so bad.

remember Joeger won the DLEAGUE championship multiple times coaching before. He knows how to get these guys going.

One question I have: on the Grizzlies roster on nba.com. there are 21 players, but many news sources are listing 20 players heading into training camp. Where is the inconsistency here?

I was so happy today to discover that we have both Hassan Whiteside and Earl Clark on our training camp roster. I wouldn't mind either making the team. Talented players just sitting at the end of the bench.

jman3134 wrote:One question I have: on the Grizzlies roster on nba.com. there are 21 players, but many news sources are listing 20 players heading into training camp. Where is the inconsistency here?

I was so happy today to discover that we have both Hassan Whiteside and Earl Clark on our training camp roster. I wouldn't mind either making the team. Talented players just sitting at the end of the bench.

Nba.com has not taken Jamaal Franklin off the roster. I think all the players the Grizzlies have in training camp are works in progress, I do think the Grizzlies need to open up more roster space and get rid of Prince before they choose who on the practice squad makes the team.

Here is my list of our training camp roster and what position I have them in at potentially making the team and why.

1. Michael Beasly F , Like it or not, even with attitude problems and cold stretches being his mantra, he does fit in the Grizzlies new system much better and the grizzlies need a pure Small forward, so as long as Memphis does not use him as a stretch forward he should see a decent amount of minutes and I think could potentially become a role player for the team later in the year.

2. Luke Hancock SF, he is a pure Small forward as said before, he also adds depth to an already growing number of players on the grizzlies roster who can shoot the 3 as he was basically used as a 3 point specialist in college. He won Most valuable player in Louisville for a reason , even coming off the bench. And another thing is that he fits in a role that has him coming off the bench, he is used to his role on a team and can capitilize.

3. Patrick Christopher SG/SF , he is my favorite and potentially the best player in camp, however we already have many players that play his position in tony allen, vince carter, courtney lee, and Quincy Pondexter. I think with Joeger's background of playing with D-Leauge players he will be able to relate with Christopher and be able to help him work on his game. Memphis also gets money from its D-Leauge so, they are weakening that roster by signing him potentially. I see Christopher getting chosen if and only if Quincy Pondexter or Courtney lee are dealt, and I do not see that happening, but if Christopher can show his usefulness, it is not out of the question to sign him now and trade them out later thus why he is #3.

4. Earl Clark F, he has never been a solid player in the league , mainly because he has always been a stretch forward, however he apparently went on a diet and is also working in the weight room more than in the gym this summer, and though potentially a stretch forward, he could potentially become the rare combo forward who has the quickness and endurance to play a 3 , but the muscle and length to guard a 4 , I doubt his game has picked up much being in the weight room, but his intangibles will be the upside that lands him in 4th spot.

5. Kailin Lucas G , This guy is not a well known player, he is not a guy who puts up gaudy numbers night after night in the D-League, however, he is young, he is potentially the reason Christopher is as good as he is with his great outlet passes to him, and he is coachable. Kailin Lucas is the guy I would love to be the back-up point guard to Mike Conley as they compliment eachother very well in their style of play. Lucas however is in 5th because he plays a much faster game than the grit and grind game of memphis, he is also a guard, which we have plenty of, for him to make the squad, at the least Nick Calathes would have to be traded away or waived, which seeing Lucas skill is not out of the question, however he will be a real competitor with udrih for the backup point guard spot and Udrih says he will stay with memphis if and only if he is the first back-up. (I personally like Lucas more)


6. Hassan Whiteside, simply said, he is not going to make the squad. Physically, this guy is unreal with a 7.75 foot wingspan and just so many physical abilities, but other than that, he is not a very good player, he is a horrible fit for memphis and oh did I mention he is probably just like a guy I am sure every Memphis fan loathes we ever chose called Hasheem Thabeet? except Whiteside gets about half the amount of blocks, is 3 inches shorter and is even WORSE than Thabeet? (Is that possible , yes, yes it is.)

That is the conclusion of my humble analysis, I do think the Grizzlies would be better if they made a few more potential changes this offseason or early in the season. This is how I see their best bet.

Sign Beasley
Trade Prince & Calathes & Koufus for Dieng & Corey Brewer
Call up Kailin Lucas from the D-League