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So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:45 pm
by SD2042
This pick came into the Grizzlies possession after Wednesday's trade with the Utah Jazz. Who's worth drafting at the position remains to be seen. That said, this draft is one of the most unpredictable drafts in recently memory. That said, the Grizzlies have to pick the BPA at the remaining seven possibles in the first round of the draft. Can this player make a case to be a reliable piece for the Grizzlies, hopefully that will be the case. Will the Grizzlies use this pick to trade up for a vet? That remains to be seen. Either way, here's the situation.

You're the GM. You will have ten options to choose from. Once you vote for the player of your choice, state your case. There is no win or lose here. Just have fun with this.

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:15 pm
by boogiesdad
Personally, i'd like to see Bol Bol. If healthy, we would have the most athletic front court in the league while keeping our cap space.

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:25 pm
by Whole Truth
Johnson didn't workout for Indiana at 18 who wanted to get a look at him. He's expected off the board before 18 with a draft room invite. Having worked out for teams holding the 9th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 15th & 16th picks.

David Aldridge of The Athletic. Claims Memphis have plans to listen to offers for the recently acquired 23rd pick of Thursday’s NBA Draft, without knowing who'll be potentially available. (Making that pick so readily available, I think they have a specified target that won't be there at 23).

I think/hope they will attempt to trade up. They don't need to use the pick to shed salary, so why else shop it before knowing who's potentially available at a cheaper draft slot..

I'm also hoping they have similar interest as me, in KJ.

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:53 pm
by SD2042
boogiesdad wrote:Personally, i'd like to see Bol Bol. If healthy, we would have the most athletic front court in the league while keeping our cap space.



I understand what you're saying. I was basing the list mostly off the mock draft boards from across the NBA landscape. None of them had Bol Bol making past 15. That's why I didn't include him on the list given where the Grizzlies stand.

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:11 am
by BarbaGrizz
The reports coming from Samanic are that he can be a steal. I wouldn't mind drafting him after playing safe with Morant.

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:12 am
by VCfor3
Wait to see who falls. If there isn't anyone in particular we like then trade 23 to PHI for 33+34+future 2nd and take two of Ty Jerome, Okeke, Grant Williams, maybe Jontay Porter? That range is so team dependent that there is no telling who will be there. I think us saying we are open to moving the pick is to quickly start communicating with other teams about different trade scenarios (whether to move up or down) that are dependent on how the draft is going.

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:16 am
by jman3134
Marcos Louzada

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:54 am
by SD2042
I have to make the case for Matisse Thybulle

Defensive Player of the Year 2019

3 & D abilities

Transitional player

versatile between SG and SF positions


Watch on YouTube




Watch on YouTube

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:08 am
by VCfor3
SD2042 wrote:I have to make the case for Matisse Thybulle

Defensive Player of the Year 2019

3 & D abilities

Transitional player

versatile between SG and SF positions






I asked the NBA Draft board who we should look at taking and this is who they said. His shot needs work but his FT% makes me optimistic he can get there. His defense is supposedly fantastic which will be good to have next to Ja.

Appreciate the videos!

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:23 am
by jman3134
We can get a similar player with defensive value in Josh Reaves from Penn State late 2nd or as an undrafted FA. Absolute lockdown senior guy who isn't as talented offensively, but is elite on D.

Thybulle is a solid pick though. Maybe Cam Johnson if he is available as well.

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:40 am
by VCfor3
jman3134 wrote:We can get a similar player with defensive value in Josh Reaves from Penn State late 2nd or as an undrafted FA. Absolute lockdown senior guy who isn't as talented offensively, but is elite on D.

Thybulle is a solid pick though. Maybe Cam Johnson if he is available as well.


I like Cam Johnson but just saw that he may have some medical problems that would be a red flag. I don't know anything about Reaves but if you're right then that could be a great pickup with a two-way contract/camp invite/whatever. Think a defensive SG would be good to have so dig the suggestion.

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:44 am
by jman3134
I saw him at the PIT and he was absolutely lock down - super physical and can hit from 3 point range. Quinndary Weatherspoon was also excellent off the ball/man to man defensively and has a better offensive game. I suspect he goes early 2nd though.

Hadn't heard those Cam Johnson red flags, but thanks for the info.

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:59 am
by VCfor3
jman3134 wrote:I saw him at the PIT and he was absolutely lock down - super physical and can hit from 3 point range. Quinndary Weatherspoon was also excellent off the ball/man to man defensively and has a better offensive game. I suspect he goes early 2nd though.

Hadn't heard those Cam Johnson red flags, but thanks for the info.


Take them with a small grain of salt. It was from Verno. He was asking around on different players for his Won't Bust list and supposedly three people mention medical concerns.

Q Weatherspoon seems like a sneaky pickup for someone as an undrafted player or late 2nd flyer.

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:20 am
by jman3134
VCfor3 wrote:
jman3134 wrote:I saw him at the PIT and he was absolutely lock down - super physical and can hit from 3 point range. Quinndary Weatherspoon was also excellent off the ball/man to man defensively and has a better offensive game. I suspect he goes early 2nd though.

Hadn't heard those Cam Johnson red flags, but thanks for the info.


Take them with a small grain of salt. It was from Verno. He was asking around on different players for his Won't Bust list and supposedly three people mention medical concerns.

Q Weatherspoon seems like a sneaky pickup for someone as an undrafted player or late 2nd flyer.


I am down to take a flyer on him. I would be very surprised if he isn't an early to mid 2nd though at worst.

I didn't notice him much at the combine, but he was a first ballot invite (the only PIT guy to get there). At the PIT, he was smooth offensively and was solid in basically every area. He has a tendency to not assert himself at times historically, but he is a fairly complete bench player.

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:53 am
by jman3134
On Didi Louzada, hopefully our pick at #23:

While yesterday's Mike Conley deal did not net a commensurate return in terms of available young assets (due to protections, the second 1st round pick in this trade will likely convey in 2022), the Jazz did send their #23 pick as part of the deal (or more technically, they will select for the Grizzlies at this spot), which places the rebuilding Grizzlies firmly in a position to pick up some young talent. And, no player is flying further under the radar than Brazil's 19-year old phenom, Marcos 'Didi' Louzada.

This past season, Louzada was arguably the most talented youth in Brazil's domestic league, the NBB. Not a traditional powerhouse, his team - Franca - powered all the way to the final, only to lose to Anderson Varejao's Flamengo squad. And Didi was a pivotal part of this success.

In final's action, Didi did not receive significant minutes for the first half of this series. But, by the fifth and final game, he not only saw significant playing time, but was his team's leading scorer throughout most of the contest. Unfortunately, Didi hyperextended his elbow and was forced to leave part way through the game. Still, his performance in the NBB playoffs highlighted his strengths and weaknesses on both ends of the floor.

Most importantly, Didi Louzada projects as a ballhawk at the next level. He was the most impressive defensive player that I witnessed in the NBB, boasting elite lateral quickness, which places him in rare company in the 2019 draft class. While still somewhat unrefined, Didi Louzada's defensive instincts, activity, vocal approach, and overall tenacity lead me to believe that he can develop into a lockdown wing at the NBA level. When examining film, the most evident thing that jumps out is Louzada's lateral quickness and ability to track his man. All season long, while defending on the perimeter, Didi was glued to his man's hip. He fought hard over the top of screens and regularly shadowed his man, limiting the effectiveness of both rub screens and pin downs. Didi is a willing help defender and regularly switches or leaves his man to defend the ball at the rim. He possesses quick and active hands, getting low in his stance and regularly stripping the ball without fouling.

With that said, he has a tendency to over-help at times, and this is particularly evident against strong side three point shooters. Louzada has a tendency of doubling offensive players attacking the rim, which leaves some perimeter shooters open on the strong side. Due to his elite quickness, Didi is often able to recover back to his man. But, this will not always be the case at the NBA level. Additionally, he does struggle at times to defend stronger players who are able to create space against him. Flamengo's Marquinhos, for example, often got the better of him by creating space and connecting on balanced jump shots. Given his innate ability to track and recover on offensive players, Didi must do a better job of selling push offs. Under the tutelage of NBA strength and conditioning programs, Didi should make these adjustments rather easily.


Continued: https://jtmbasketball.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-case-for-didi-louzada-perfect.html

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:51 am
by VCfor3
jman3134 wrote:On Didi Louzada, hopefully our pick at #23:

While yesterday's Mike Conley deal did not net a commensurate return in terms of available young assets (due to protections, the second 1st round pick in this trade will likely convey in 2022), the Jazz did send their #23 pick as part of the deal (or more technically, they will select for the Grizzlies at this spot), which places the rebuilding Grizzlies firmly in a position to pick up some young talent. And, no player is flying further under the radar than Brazil's 19-year old phenom, Marcos 'Didi' Louzada.

This past season, Louzada was arguably the most talented youth in Brazil's domestic league, the NBB. Not a traditional powerhouse, his team - Franca - powered all the way to the final, only to lose to Anderson Varejao's Flamengo squad. And Didi was a pivotal part of this success.

In final's action, Didi did not receive significant minutes for the first half of this series. But, by the fifth and final game, he not only saw significant playing time, but was his team's leading scorer throughout most of the contest. Unfortunately, Didi hyperextended his elbow and was forced to leave part way through the game. Still, his performance in the NBB playoffs highlighted his strengths and weaknesses on both ends of the floor.

Most importantly, Didi Louzada projects as a ballhawk at the next level. He was the most impressive defensive player that I witnessed in the NBB, boasting elite lateral quickness, which places him in rare company in the 2019 draft class. While still somewhat unrefined, Didi Louzada's defensive instincts, activity, vocal approach, and overall tenacity lead me to believe that he can develop into a lockdown wing at the NBA level. When examining film, the most evident thing that jumps out is Louzada's lateral quickness and ability to track his man. All season long, while defending on the perimeter, Didi was glued to his man's hip. He fought hard over the top of screens and regularly shadowed his man, limiting the effectiveness of both rub screens and pin downs. Didi is a willing help defender and regularly switches or leaves his man to defend the ball at the rim. He possesses quick and active hands, getting low in his stance and regularly stripping the ball without fouling.

With that said, he has a tendency to over-help at times, and this is particularly evident against strong side three point shooters. Louzada has a tendency of doubling offensive players attacking the rim, which leaves some perimeter shooters open on the strong side. Due to his elite quickness, Didi is often able to recover back to his man. But, this will not always be the case at the NBA level. Additionally, he does struggle at times to defend stronger players who are able to create space against him. Flamengo's Marquinhos, for example, often got the better of him by creating space and connecting on balanced jump shots. Given his innate ability to track and recover on offensive players, Didi must do a better job of selling push offs. Under the tutelage of NBA strength and conditioning programs, Didi should make these adjustments rather easily.


Continued: https://jtmbasketball.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-case-for-didi-louzada-perfect.html


If he is that under the radar, I'd prefer to buy a 2nd round pick and grab him with it. Use 23 to net someone else. We have a limited number of roster spots, but I'd kinda like two young guys to go with Ja. Any more and you won't be able to develop them. Even getting three will be tough. If someone gets shafted let it be Allen. :lol:

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:00 pm
by jman3134
Tiago Splitter has long scouted this kid and is likely to reach for him in the first. Given how good he is at 19, it isn't really a reach at all. He is an instant 3 and D guy with a solid IQ and an upside for more. He only worked out for teams the last two weeks and had limited exposure beyond the Hoops Summit, where he clearly showed a different wrinkle to his game. (But didn't dominate offensively)

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:08 pm
by BarbaGrizz
Being a Brazilian I have followed Louzada for a couple of years and he's gonna be a steal if picked outside the Top 20. He can do a little bit of everything and is a lockdown defender. He already saw significant minutes with our National Team. I really doubt he lasts until the second round, as he has Spurs written all over him. Obviously I'm biased, but If available, he would a great pick for us.

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:21 pm
by jman3134
BarbaGrizz wrote:Being a Brazilian I have followed Louzada for a couple of years and he's gonna be a steal if picked outside the Top 20. He can do a little bit of everything and is a lockdown defender. He already saw significant minutes with our National Team. I really doubt he lasts until the second round, as he has Spurs written all over him. Obviously I'm biased, but If available, he would a great pick for us.


He is going to have a Giannis style rise imho (though he won't be the player Giannis is), in the sense that he should shoot up the charts late. His quickness/twitch is absolutely elite and he has tremendously quick hip movements. These are intangibles that cannot be taught from a defensive standpoint.

In terms of his IQ, Didi played in a static offense with Franca four-out. He either created for himself off the dribble, moved the ball around the perimeter, or shot it. In a more dynamic pick and roll offense, he has limitless potential, as he possesses the ability to see plays develop ahead of time. He is an excellent transition weapon and at 19, he is one of the youngest players in this class. Refine this guy's techniques/handle and you have a potential 3-and-D starter at the NBA level within a year or two.

The reason no one is talking about him is that he couldn't wow in workouts or the combine because his team was still competing. He was expected to withdraw from this draft and be available in 2020. He deferred a lot at the hoops summit because he wanted to demonstrate different wrinkles in his game, which makes him even more intriguing imo. I see him as a less offensively gifted Barbosa down the road. (though their games are not similar, speaking strictly from a quickness and impact standpoint)

Re: So... the #23 Pick of the Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:39 pm
by jman3134
Let me show you a little bit more while I have a minute. I'll give you a little film because I doubt any of you have seen him play live.

Read on Twitter


What you are seeing here is elite hip mobility. He closes out completely, jumping forward to contest a three point, yet recovers left to cut his man off. He beats his man to the spot a bunch.


Watch on YouTube


3:47 great move through the double in the lane

4:14 transition lob

4:32 great defense, better offense

4:55 drive and kick