Draft Day 2019

Post #21 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:22 am

Clarke needs to develop a lot in the league - he needs to stretch the floor better. I think we may regret passing on some of these guys.

He has T Rex arms, which may or may not negate his excellent quick jumping ability in terms of his defensive impact. He is older and his post game is extremely underdeveloped. Sure, he can be effective in the pick and roll, but he needs to be more versatile offensively to command a spot on the floor.

Maybe he can change his usage to rim running out in transition? I'm mixed on the pick.

Whole Truth · Post #22 » by **Whole Truth** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:24 am

jman3134 wrote:Whole Truth, your boy might slide to us at 23.

Slid right past ..

IMO he's going to be a steal for someone.

Post #23 » by **VCfor3** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:29 am

jman3134 wrote:Clarke needs to develop a lot in the league - he needs to stretch the floor better. I think we may regret passing on some of these guys.

He has T Rex arms, which may or may not negate his excellent quick jumping ability in terms of his defensive impact. He is older and his post game is extremely underdeveloped. Sure, he can be effective in the pick and roll, but he needs to be more versatile offensively to command a spot on the floor.

Maybe he can change his usage to rim running out in transition? I'm mixed on the pick.

Something that was encouraging though about his shot. He completely reworked his shot prior to this season and was very effective with it around the rim. If he keeps working on it he may be able to extend out the the 3pt line (at least enough to be a credible threat to hit open 3s).

Post #24 » by **SD2042** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:29 am

jman3134 wrote:Clarke needs to develop a lot in the league - he needs to stretch the floor better. I think we may regret passing on some of these guys.

He has T Rex arms, which may or may not negate his excellent quick jumping ability in terms of his defensive impact. He is older and his post game is extremely underdeveloped. Sure, he can be effective in the pick and roll, but he needs to be more versatile offensively to command a spot on the floor.

Maybe he can change his usage to rim running out in transition? I'm mixed on the pick.

What is your best case/worse case scenario for his ceiling in the long run?

Post #25 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:36 am

VCfor3 wrote:
jman3134 wrote:Clarke needs to develop a lot in the league - he needs to stretch the floor better. I think we may regret passing on some of these guys.

He has T Rex arms, which may or may not negate his excellent quick jumping ability in terms of his defensive impact. He is older and his post game is extremely underdeveloped. Sure, he can be effective in the pick and roll, but he needs to be more versatile offensively to command a spot on the floor.

Maybe he can change his usage to rim running out in transition? I'm mixed on the pick.

Something that was encouraging though about his shot. He completely reworked his shot prior to this season and was very effective with it around the rim. If he keeps working on it he may be able to extend out the the 3pt line (at least enough to be a credible threat to hit open 3s).

From what I saw, he rarely utilized jump shots. Mostly floaters etc. I think he is years away there. He has the elite athleticism that can't be taught and is tough as nails. I wonder how he will play in an up tempo offense.

SD, I think ceiling is Kenyon Martin, if he becomes more of a transition weapon alongside Morant.

Whole Truth · Post #26 » by **Whole Truth** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:43 am

My comp for Clarke was Pascal.

Pascal 3 point shooting

yr 1 age 22 - 143%
yr 2 - 220%
yr 3 - 369%

Whole Truth · Post #27 » by **Whole Truth** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:46 am

Spurs know what's up.

Post #28 » by **SD2042** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:51 am

jman3134 wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:
jman3134 wrote:Clarke needs to develop a lot in the league - he needs to stretch the floor better. I think we may regret passing on some of these guys.

He has T Rex arms, which may or may not negate his excellent quick jumping ability in terms of his defensive impact. He is older and his post game is extremely underdeveloped. Sure, he can be effective in the pick and roll, but he needs to be more versatile offensively to command a spot on the floor.

Maybe he can change his usage to rim running out in transition? I'm mixed on the pick.

Something that was encouraging though about his shot. He completely reworked his shot prior to this season and was very effective with it around the rim. If he keeps working on it he may be able to extend out the the 3pt line (at least enough to be a credible threat to hit open 3s).

From what I saw, he rarely utilized jump shots. Mostly floaters etc. I think he is years away there. He has the elite athleticism that can't be taught and is tough as nails. I wonder how he will play in an up tempo offense.

SD, I think ceiling is Kenyon Martin, if he becomes more of a transition weapon alongside Morant.

A K-Mart version can be a welcome piece to the team as the Grizzlies need to turn the page. Hopefully Clarke will be worth some of hype his fans are matching him up to be in the long haul. Thx jman!

Post #29 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:54 am

Whole Truth wrote:Spurs know what's up.

I saw that and chuckled to myself.

A K-Mart version can be a welcome piece to the team as the Grizzlies need to turn the page. Hopefully Clarke will be worth some of hype his fans are matching him up to be in the long haul. Thx jman!

Isn't really Gonzaga's strength so it will be tough to project how he plays.

Whole Truth · Post #30 » by **Whole Truth** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:59 am

Post#3 » by Whole Truth » Mon May 20, 2019 8:08 am

Brandon Clarke

Pascal Siakam age 22
6'9"
7'3" wing span
High motor
8'11" standing reach

Agility test - 30.5 / 36.5 / 11.25 / 3.09 / 3.41

Pascal's impact was due to his speed & motor as a 6'9" forward. He had no range & was lacking offensive refinement at 22.

Clarke age 23
6'8"
6'8.25" wing span
High motor
8'6" standing reach

Agility test - 34 / 40.5 / 10.61 / 3.05 / 3.28

Clarke is not as long as Pascal but his standing & vert is considerably better, his agility in the lane & speed in sprints tops Pascals.

Brandon Clarke though a year older at time of draft, is potentially Siakam 2.0. He's actually has better athleticism & is quicker with a similar high high motor but doesn't quite have Pascal's length. I'm picturing his speed, athleticism next to 3J at C & JA in small ball lineups. While a year older at draft time, I'd take into consideration he's also further along in his development then when Pascal was drafted. It wasn't until this past year that Pascal started hitting that corner 3 with any kind of consistency.

16-20 range, due to age & measurements.

Post #31 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:20 am

Yeah, but does he handle the ball like that? His drives were mostly half court faceup from what I remember.

Post #32 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:21 am

NOOOOOOOOO DIDI GONE

Post #33 » by **SD2042** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:25 am

jman3134 wrote:NOOOOOOOOO DIDI GONE

Sorry bro. It happens. My guy Bruno found his way to the Sixers. Surprise he fell this far.

Whole Truth · Post #34 » by **Whole Truth** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:26 am

Clarke

1 in lane Agility

2 in Standing Vert

3 in Max Vert

When teams go small to force Jonas out. A 3J, Clarke small ball rotation with Ja in transition could punish that choice.. Love the potential versatility of a Jonas, 3J, Clarke front court.

Pascal transition game was a talking point I had with the Raptors last year, in being a proponent of having Pascal start along side Kawhi, knowing he & Green were going to generate more steals to have him leak .. though Pascal at that point didn't have any consistency from range. His 3pt shot took a massive leap this past year & I think Danny G had something to do with that .. Pascal sets up mainly in the corners & still struggles from the top of the arc.

Post #35 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:35 am

He plays nothing like Pascal. He doesn't have the handle to play like him. He might finish on some lobs from Ja though.

Whole Truth · Post #36 » by **Whole Truth** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:40 am

jman3134 wrote:He plays nothing like Pascal. He doesn't have the handle to play like him. He might finish on some lobs from Ja though.

Year 1 Pascal went to the g league for development, I'm not comparing him to year 3 MIP Pascal.

Rookie Pascal punished teams with his speed & motor but teams sagged off him & completely shut him down offensively.

Year 1 Pascal averaged 3 shots in 15mins & shot 14% from 3.
Year 3 Pascal averaged 12 shots in 32 mins & shot 36% from 3.

Post #37 » by **VCfor3** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:13 am

Clarke was an advanced stats darling. A lot of people are really high on him. The defense of Clarke+JJJ when teams go small should be awesome! He does need to work on his 3pt shot. FT% is ok though not great but his FG% is fantastic (though the majority of his shots were right around the rim. Fun fact, he had more blocks than missed shots last year while averaging almost 17pts a game.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/brandon-clarke
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/2019-leaders.html - He was Top 10 in quite a few categories
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/06/19/brandon-clarke-scouting-report/

Whole Truth · Post #38 » by **Whole Truth** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:25 am

VCfor3 wrote:Clarke was an advanced stats darling. A lot of people are really high on him. The defense of Clarke+JJJ when teams go small should be awesome! He does need to work on his 3pt shot. FT% is ok though not great but his FG% is fantastic (though the majority of his shots were right around the rim. Fun fact, he had more blocks than missed shots last year while averaging almost 17pts a game.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/brandon-clarke
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/2019-leaders.html - He was Top 10 in quite a few categories
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/06/19/brandon-clarke-scouting-report/

Those are some great links ... his 138 offensive rating with his limitations stood out.

Just like Pascal if Clarke can hit that corner 3 with any kind of consistency, Memphis are laughing ...

Whole Truth · Post #39 » by **Whole Truth** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:31 am

Great offseason for Memphis so far & I think they still make use of that traded player exception.

3J
Clarke
Wiggins/Bruno
Culver
Ja

+ FRP for taking on Wiggins contract

Post #40 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:32 am

I think Clarke needs to develop to be effective. He dominated because he was far more athletic than his competition. This won't be the case at the NBA level. Think how Thomas Robinson played - great strength, smart player. Clarke has more natural athleticism and his second jump is the best I think I have ever seen. So, he is a better athlete than Robinson. He needs to develop that mid range jumper just to keep defenses honest in the pick and roll (so teams don't overplay the roll). His post moves also need some work. Rudimentary footwork. So there is a lot to like from a physical standpoint, but not a lot that directly translates atm imho.