Whole Truth wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:#2 for Vuc also includes Wiggins who most would agree is a sizable negative on his contract. Getting off him may hold as much value as actually acquiring Vuc.
Warriors view Wiggins as more than a neutral asset.
If his contract is in fact the value difference, then let Memphis take back Wiggins for the Minnesota 1st, instead of the TPE. Then GS can use the #2 on (Deni) to replace Wiggins, leaving the option to use the TPE or let it expire in this financial climate.
Memphis would have to take on salary anyway for the TPE to hold value attached to a late first. So might as well take on Wiggins for the Minnesota 21 pick to potentially consolidate up in a key draft year as apposed to potentially/projected, 30th pick.
Eating Wiggins while losing JV and say Anderson for #12 next draft feels like rough value. If I was going to go mad scientist on this I'd look at something like:Step 1
MEM in: Wiggins, Looney, #2
GSW in: JV, Brooks (or Winslow), Allen, two 2nds
GSW takes JV into the TPE to create a new 18+m TPE with this trade that they can use later this season if the team looks ready to contend or hold off on till next offseason if they want to avoid the crazy high tax they'd pay on anyone they take in. Brooks/Winslow replaces Wiggins at starting SF. Allen is their SG off the bench. Memphis gets #2. GSW probably loses on value but this does more for their championship window than holding pat. Step 2
MIN is likely going for Ball or Edwards but I think it is going to be Edwards. Charlotte is reported to really want Wiseman so I'd hit them up for a trade.
MEM in: #3, Batum
CHA in: #2, Wiggins, #40
Memphis straight salary dumps Wiggins. CHA gets their guy and takes a swing in a fairly solid looking 2nd round. They also may see some value in Wiggins
MEM in: #3, Bridges
CHA in: #2, Guduric
Memphis gets a SF prospect for dropping one spot.
MEM in: Hayward, 14, 26, 2021 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 1st
BOS in: #2, Dieng, Anderson
Hayward is older but would fit great. I'd angle for a S&T instead and offer an amount that would allow us to keep Anderson and only move Dieng aka 21.5m starting and then increase for however many years we sign him for. We can target whoever we want with 14 or use 28 to move up if needed and then have two additional future 1sts for trades even though they are likely not great 1sts.Step 3:
There are a lot of ways we can go here depending on who is left (I think Ball but maybe Edwards) and what we did in Step 2 (especially if we did Option 3).
MEM in: Bridges
PHX in: #3, Looney/filler
PHX wants a high end PG to put next to Booker. It is one of the reasons they are looking at FVV. This lets them get Ball who I feel like there was some random unsubstantiated report they had some level of interest in. I don't know if they'd part with Mikal though but it is worth a shot. He'd be a great fit at SF for us as a 3&D guy.
MEM in: Shai
OKC in: #3, Miles Bridges
Memphis gets their 3rd core member as long as Option 2 in Step 2 happened. OKC really doesn't want to move Shai but if they think Ball can be a star, Dort be the defensive SG to take the harder assignment, and Bridges maybe can develop into the starting SF then maybe they'd have some small amount of interest.
MEM in: 4, ?
CHI in: 3, filler if needed
Assuming we did Option 2 in Step 2. There were reports that Chicago wants to move up. If the guy they want is available at 3 then they may have interest in giving something up to go and get them. WCJ? Lauri? Three team deal with CHI getting Wiggins + 3 + PHI 1st, PHI gets OPJ, MEM gets 4 + 21 + Horford? Memphis saves money and gets 21 for dropping out of the "Elite 3" tier.
MEM in: 8, 2021 DAL 1st
NYK in: 3
NYK gets their star PG and Memphis gets a pick next draft to help them move up. We also get 8 who should have one of the guys we'd like to target for our team.
MEM in: 7, ?
DET in: 3
Detroit is heading for a rebuild and could use a star to build around. Maybe they think Ball can be that. I'm sure they'd do Luke Kennard+7 if we wanted. Would they do 7+Sekou? They eat Wiggins? Maybe a multi-team trade again would have some interest.
MEM in: 7, Green, Hood, Cook
MEM out: 3, Anderson, Wiggins
DET in: 3, Kuzma, 28, Wiggins, 16/23+2nd
DET out: Rose, Kennard, Snell
LAL in: Rose, Snell, Anderson
LAL out: Green, Kuzma, Cook, 28
and either POR does Hood+16 for Kennard or UTA does Davis+23+2nd for Kennard
Basically Detroit gets their guy and plus moves Kennard and Rose who they have been trying to shop. We drop spots to get off Wiggins and can very likely flip Green at some point for additional value kinda like Iggy/Crowder.
MEM in: 10, Oubre, 2nd
PHX in: 3, Dieng
Don't love this one but if we are fairly sure that our target is available at 10 instead of 3 then getting Oubre and a 2nd may be worth it.
MEM in: 10, 2021 PHX 1st Top 4 protected
PHX in: 3
We get a future pick for dropping down
MEM in: 18, DFS, Kleber, Wright
DAL in: 3, Wiggins
"Everyone but Luka and KP are on the table for a star" is a report. If whoever is available at 3 is a potential star then maybe Dallas would do this. It also keeps cap space open for them next year while Memphis gets two good role players we can flip in DFS and Kleber and a so so kinda overpaid Wright who had some good games for us previously. Kleber+DFS into the GSW TPE for swap rights on the MIN pick (or for the pick straight up? 2022 GSW pick unprotected and 2023 swap rights? different options available) feels possible if GSW are playing well and think they need a little more of a push to potentially win it all.
MEM in: 13, future 1st of our choice (2023 better of NOP/LAL 1st?)
NOP in: 3
We angle to get a good future 1st while still getting to target a decent player at 13 this draft.
MEM in: Hayward, 14, 26, 2021 BOS 1st
BOS in: Dieng, Anderson, 3
Maybe you can do a S&T with Hayward instead so that we have him locked up and Anderson doesn't have to be included. This hurts cap space next year though. Boston would probably be wanting Wiseman so this may feel like a long shot unless they are actually more interested in Ony and want to make sure they secure him.
MEM in: OG
TOR in: #3, Bridges, 2021 swap rights lottery protected
OG is my favorite target for Memphis just because he developing into one of the best lockdown defenders and while shooting 39% from deep this past season. He can hit everything Ja sets up for him while defending the opposing team's best player. I highly doubt Toronto parts with him so this is a long shot.
MEM in: 25, 2021 2nd most favorable 1st (OKC/HOU/MIA), 1st of our choice
OKC in: 3
Basically get a late pick in this draft and two future 1sts. Not a satisfying trade but would get us like #20 next year and a valuable future 1st for trying to move up in the draft next year. Maybe you can get a better pick than the 2021 1st I proposed. The players probably wouldn't be happy since we move two starters and an emerging Allen for Batum, a late 1st this draft and high end future capital that won't help this season.