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....would Grayson+Dieng for Oladipo have been a better return? I think it would have since Houston is going to be a lot worse than Miami next year so that swap isn't going to matter. Not that that would have helped us probably with how VO was playing this year, but would have been interesting.

As our roster looks complete for 2021/2022, I will be neither surprised nor disappointed if FO decides to trade our 14m cap space in exchange for a remote 1st, in the same way they did with GSW/Igoudala, to preserve sustainable flow of rookies to the team at the time when Ja and JJJ are on max contracts.

E S V L wrote:As our roster looks complete for 2021/2022, I will be neither surprised nor disappointed if FO decides to trade our 14m cap space in exchange for a remote 1st, in the same way they did with GSW/Igoudala, to preserve sustainable flow of rookies to the team at the time when Ja and JJJ are on max contracts.

We have a full roster assuming we keep Winslow (I expect us to after today press conference) after factoring in our first round pick. If we want to use the MLE or our cap on someone we will ultimately have to waive someone. Guess we could always take an expiring into our space and waive him this offseason before the roster cut-down. Otherwise we will only open up a spot by a trade. Maybe a consolidation trade for that last piece. Maybe just us selling off whichever young guy we don't see as part of our future. Should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

VCfor3 wrote:....would Grayson+Dieng for Oladipo have been a better return? I think it would have since Houston is going to be a lot worse than Miami next year so that swap isn't going to matter. Not that that would have helped us probably with how VO was playing this year, but would have been interesting.

Based on what Houston got back in return from the Heat, maybe. Then again, this is Houston's second time being dumb in trades so far. Instead of keeping LeVert with the Nets, he opts for Oladipo. In Thursday's trade, instead of gaining Duncan Robinson in the trade along with Avery Bradley and Kelly Olynyk, the Rockets just accepts Bradley and Olynyk. Houston has been quite questionable in the last two trades.

So. Looking at the teams projected to have a top 5 pick. I can't see us being able to offer a package to entice most of them.

The three with a minimally possible chance would be:
1. MIN - I think they'd prefer to draft and add to their core. They are a terrible team and need to add some high end talent to pair with Towns, Edwards, and I guess Dlo. The pitch I'd try to go with would be us providing savings (they will be over the cap), multiple assets, and players who can help them win now. A lot would depend on who is available at their pick. Would they want to try and play Towns and Mobley together? If not then Mobley would not be as enticing for them for the reasons they passed on Wiseman. Are they still all in on Dlo? If so then I could see them unsure about Suggs and maybe Green kind of like they were with Ball. Then again they could potentially play Edwards at SF and go small. They won't trade Cade if they get #1 for the optics. So if they are willing to listen then we create a package with our 2021 1st, multiple future 1sts, and their choice of players outside Ja and JJJ. I'd like to keep Clarke potentially since he pairs well with JJJ, but I doubt we can be picky.

2. DET - I have no idea what these guys are thinking. They should be embracing the rebuild but whatever. They probably keep their pick, but if they really are trying to kinda toe the line between win-now and rebuilding then maybe we can offer some youth and depth plus future picks? They've done some weird stuff so maybe but I'm not holding my breath. They don't really have cap issues though there is a ton of dead money on the books so cap savings won't be a factor.

3. HOU - They made quite a few, um, "questionable" deals so maybe we can sneak in one more? We can build a package around eating Wall and Gordon, giving them useful players, and adding to their pick collection. Anything for their owner to save a buck right? I don't know if they are willing to blow a top 4 pick for that since they need an attraction to put butts in the seats, but it is worth a try.

VCfor3 wrote:So. Looking at the teams projected to have a top 5 pick. I can't see us being able to offer a package to entice most of them.

The three with a minimally possible chance would be:
1. MIN - I think they'd prefer to draft and add to their core. They are a terrible team and need to add some high end talent to pair with Towns, Edwards, and I guess Dlo. The pitch I'd try to go with would be us providing savings (they will be over the cap), multiple assets, and players who can help them win now. A lot would depend on who is available at their pick. Would they want to try and play Towns and Mobley together? If not then Mobley would not be as enticing for them for the reasons they passed on Wiseman. Are they still all in on Dlo? If so then I could see them unsure about Suggs and maybe Green kind of like they were with Ball. Then again they could potentially play Edwards at SF and go small. They won't trade Cade if they get #1 for the optics. So if they are willing to listen then we create a package with our 2021 1st, multiple future 1sts, and their choice of players outside Ja and JJJ. I'd like to keep Clarke potentially since he pairs well with JJJ, but I doubt we can be picky.

2. DET - I have no idea what these guys are thinking. They should be embracing the rebuild but whatever. They probably keep their pick, but if they really are trying to kinda toe the line between win-now and rebuilding then maybe we can offer some youth and depth plus future picks? They've done some weird stuff so maybe but I'm not holding my breath. They don't really have cap issues though there is a ton of dead money on the books so cap savings won't be a factor.

3. HOU - They made quite a few, um, "questionable" deals so maybe we can sneak in one more? We can build a package around eating Wall and Gordon, giving them useful players, and adding to their pick collection. Anything for their owner to save a buck right? I don't know if they are willing to blow a top 4 pick for that since they need an attraction to put butts in the seats, but it is worth a try.

Minnesota have a lot of young talent, youngest team in the league. I'd think if they were to trade their pick, it would be in a consolidation trade with maybe other picks/young player/s for someone like Beal if they do not choose to move on from Kat. They're in appeasement mode where I don't think cap space & FRP's help them in that situation, which usually never ends well, See their 21/22 pick traded & last place finish for friend Russell.

Casey going through a rebuild with the Raptors knows the importance of building a winning culture. A stable environment is needed to properly develop & guide youth. It's a mistake tanking teams that remain in the lottery make. See Memphis with Jonas & Crowder around 3J & Ja. I think this could be Memphis best bet if Detroit like one of the young players not named 3J or Ja in combination with multiple picks/assets ..

Houston, is unpredictable, don't know what to think where they're concerned.

VCfor3 wrote:So. Looking at the teams projected to have a top 5 pick. I can't see us being able to offer a package to entice most of them.

The three with a minimally possible chance would be:
1. MIN - I think they'd prefer to draft and add to their core. They are a terrible team and need to add some high end talent to pair with Towns, Edwards, and I guess Dlo. The pitch I'd try to go with would be us providing savings (they will be over the cap), multiple assets, and players who can help them win now. A lot would depend on who is available at their pick. Would they want to try and play Towns and Mobley together? If not then Mobley would not be as enticing for them for the reasons they passed on Wiseman. Are they still all in on Dlo? If so then I could see them unsure about Suggs and maybe Green kind of like they were with Ball. Then again they could potentially play Edwards at SF and go small. They won't trade Cade if they get #1 for the optics. So if they are willing to listen then we create a package with our 2021 1st, multiple future 1sts, and their choice of players outside Ja and JJJ. I'd like to keep Clarke potentially since he pairs well with JJJ, but I doubt we can be picky.

2. DET - I have no idea what these guys are thinking. They should be embracing the rebuild but whatever. They probably keep their pick, but if they really are trying to kinda toe the line between win-now and rebuilding then maybe we can offer some youth and depth plus future picks? They've done some weird stuff so maybe but I'm not holding my breath. They don't really have cap issues though there is a ton of dead money on the books so cap savings won't be a factor.

3. HOU - They made quite a few, um, "questionable" deals so maybe we can sneak in one more? We can build a package around eating Wall and Gordon, giving them useful players, and adding to their pick collection. Anything for their owner to save a buck right? I don't know if they are willing to blow a top 4 pick for that since they need an attraction to put butts in the seats, but it is worth a try.

My thoughts with Minnesota is this:

A mess of an organization from top to bottom. With the way things have gone with them for a minute, I do believe that sometime within the next season, maybe two that KAT will want to change up. The Wolves best to get ready for that episode to happen. As for what their plan is. It's hard to say. If they want to keep KAT from pulling an AD23 from the franchise. They need to get on the same page to making the franchise better. They need to add an alpha player to the squad. A player who brings the numbers and the right killer instinct to lead the team to the promise land. Second, round up what value they have and see what new assets they can get back in return. Will they get that from the Grizzlies, it depends on the timing and circumstances. I will say this, with your theories, I say whoever decides to be their upcoming trade partner will be in the drivers seat.

Detroit seems to be on their own path to perhaps develop some value and maybe trade said player(s) away on their own time. Perhaps the reason why they didn't feel the need to trade Jerami Grant previous to the trade deadline. My thoughts is that the Pistons will continue to rebuild very unique from the traditional ways of doing such a thing. At least from a worst standpoint, they are somewhat better than the Wolves current predicament.

HOU- To be direct here. The Houston front office is showing signs of incompetence. The trade for John Wall. The trades for VO from front to end. It's been a roller coaster ride for Team Rockets. I feel sorry for John Wall here. He went from one team that was likely to struggle hard in the Wizards to be traded to the Rockets on a tremendous downswing. Plus him coming back from nearly a two year absence from a few months prior didn''t help his situation. With the deals the Rockets have done in the last few months, I'm questioning the competence of the Rockets front office. Can they manage to get some form of team structure going again to get their team swinging in the right direction? Albeit the timing it will take to get it done.

I am a fan of Dallas ... but it is impossible not to like Grizzlies, with the passage of Gasol brothers and the bomb (I'm Spanish) ..
I really like the roster, but I would try to solidify ... how about shooting CJ ..

Brooks + Clarke + Allen for CJ / N. Little

Portland gets savings to pay Powell.
Clarke for its 4 headline.
Brooks depth ..

Grizzlies, get a Star (it will shine out of Lillard in my opinion) that should be a good fit for Ja.

Valanciunas / Tillman
JJJ / Winslow
Anderson / Bane
CJ / Melton
Ja / Tyus .... in the absence of the draft

Mike lorenzo wrote:I am a fan of Dallas ... but it is impossible not to like Grizzlies, with the passage of Gasol brothers and the bomb (I'm Spanish) ..
I really like the roster, but I would try to solidify ... how about shooting CJ ..

Brooks + Clarke + Allen for CJ / N. Little

Portland gets savings to pay Powell.
Clarke for its 4 headline.
Brooks depth ..

Grizzlies, get a Star (it will shine out of Lillard in my opinion) that should be a good fit for Ja.

Valanciunas / Tillman
JJJ / Winslow
Anderson / Bane
CJ / Melton
Ja / Tyus .... in the absence of the draft

Do you think CJ and Ja can work defensively? I agree we could use CJ on the offensive end

What was thinking about this morning. There is an interesting path to consider:

We trade JJJ for Ingram and pick a big with #16 (Jones, Jackson, Sengun are all nice prospects).

Ja - Tyus
Melton - Bane/Allen
Ingram - Brooks - Kanchar
Kyle - Clarke - Tillie
JV - Xavier - #16

Ingram and Kyle can be a deadly couple.

E S V L wrote:What was thinking about this morning. There is an interesting path to consider:

We trade JJJ for Ingram and pick a big with #16 (Jones, Jackson, Sengun are all nice prospects).

Ja - Tyus
Melton - Bane/Allen
Ingram - Brooks - Kanchar
Kyle - Clarke - Tillie
JV - Xavier - #16

Ingram and Kyle can be a deadly couple.

I'm not sure how I fall on an Ingram/JJJ swap. Value is fine and it probably makes us better, but I'm biased and fall in love with the JJJ flashes lol. Kyle being able to step in as a solid PF definitely helps. Plus PF/C guys are easier to find than wings.

James Wiseman for Kyle Anderson and 2024 Warriors 1st returned?

NYG wrote:James Wiseman for Kyle Anderson and 2024 Warriors 1st returned?

I don't think the Warriors do it but Memphis probably does. Anderson would help the Warriors the next few years more than Wiseman, and having a potentially high pick back and control of their future would be great, but the optics of trading a recent #2 pick for that return is probably too great to overcome.

So. Is there an absurd trade with the Warriors that gets us the MIN pick if it lands at say 4 or 5 as well as Wiseman?

Looney, Wiggins, Oubre (SnT that is technically a separate trade since you can't combine salary), Wiseman, MIN 1st

For

JV, Anderson, Brooks, Melton, Clarke, Allen/Bane (would prefer trading Allen but may have to do Bane), Tillman, UTA 1st, GSW 1st, 21 MEM 1st, 22 MEM 1st (didn't look at salary, was just spit balling)

Curry/Melton
Klay/Bane
Brooks/Anderson
Green/Clarke
JV/Tillman

Anderson can play if you want Green at center or if Green is playing poorly Anderson could slot into PF. GSW doesn't get any stars, but they get some quality depth for a playoff run, some solid young players, and a load of picks. The Memphis 1st next year could be decent since we are losing a ton of depth and I don't expect Wiseman and a rookie to be able to replace the lost production.

Memphis ends up with:
Ja/Tyus
Suggs or Green/Allen
Wiggins/Oubre
JJJ/Tillie
Wiseman/Looney

Maybe we add our 24 1st to move up a spot or two to get Green? If at 5 we may take Kuminga instead in which case Wiggins moves to SG. Mortgages our future a bit but in theory you have four high end guys as your core to build around. If we are able to keep Bane instead of Allen then maybe Bane ultimately is the SG if Kuminga is the pick. Just kind of spit balling. If the MIN pick ends up outside the top 5, I wonder if you lighten our package in order to get the MIN pick and Wiseman and then turn around and flip Wiseman and the 1st to a team in the top 5 in order to get Green or Cade.

From a Memphis perspective, this is too good to be true . If I were GSW, I would target JJJ and Brooks for Wiseman and #6 (ideally #14).

Anyway, this Duerte situation inspired my thoughts about getting another pick in the middle of the draft. The realistic one I come up with: JJJ to GSW for Wiseman and #14

It would give us both Garuba and Duerte and solve our frontcourt problem: each JJJ, Kyle, JV is too good to be a backup.

We would go then:

Ja - Tyus
Melton - Bane
Brooks - Duarte - Konchar
Kyle - Clarke - Garuba /Tille/
JV - Wiseman - Tillman - Porter

Next year, we would replace Tyus and JV with two 2022 rookies and resign Kyle and Brooks.

Celtics fan here. According to rumors, the Celtics are interested in Slo Mo. Honest questions: Is he available at a reasonable price? If so, what would you guys want for him?

flaco wrote:Celtics fan here. According to rumors, the Celtics are interested in Slo Mo. Honest questions: Is he available at a reasonable price? If so, what would you guys want for him?

He's the ultimate glue player that I don't think stats can rely appreciate. It's also debatable he was Memphis best player for a good portion of the season but he's also soon to be expiring & requiring extension.

Personally, I'd be looking at filler/#16 if Memphis believe Clarke can adequately backup 3J at PF.

Without Anderson, any injury to 3J would put this team into a spiral.

Whole Truth wrote:

flaco wrote:Celtics fan here. According to rumors, the Celtics are interested in Slo Mo. Honest questions: Is he available at a reasonable price? If so, what would you guys want for him?

He's the ultimate glue player that I don't think stats can rely appreciate. It's also debatable he was Memphis best player for a good portion of the season but he's also soon to be expiring & requiring extension.

Personally, I'd be looking at filler/#16 if Memphis believe Clarke can adequately backup 3J at PF.

Without Anderson, any injury to 3J would put this team into a spiral.

Pretty well said. It is hard to gauge our FO in terms of players. Maybe they'd let him go in order to get something for him and utilize space in the 2022 offseason if we don't extend JJJ. Maybe we extend JV, JJJ, and Anderson and look to be an over the cap team the next half a decade.

I don't see who the target would be, but if Memphis made a play for a third star and the other team preferred a Boston pick or whatever you guys package together over Anderson then maybe it gets done that way?

VCfor3 wrote:

Whole Truth wrote:

flaco wrote:Celtics fan here. According to rumors, the Celtics are interested in Slo Mo. Honest questions: Is he available at a reasonable price? If so, what would you guys want for him?

He's the ultimate glue player that I don't think stats can rely appreciate. It's also debatable he was Memphis best player for a good portion of the season but he's also soon to be expiring & requiring extension.

Personally, I'd be looking at filler/#16 if Memphis believe Clarke can adequately backup 3J at PF.

Without Anderson, any injury to 3J would put this team into a spiral.

Pretty well said. It is hard to gauge our FO in terms of players. Maybe they'd let him go in order to get something for him and utilize space in the 2022 offseason if we don't extend JJJ. Maybe we extend JV, JJJ, and Anderson and look to be an over the cap team the next half a decade.

I don't see who the target would be, but if Memphis made a play for a third star and the other team preferred a Boston pick or whatever you guys package together over Anderson then maybe it gets done that way?

Any chance the Grizzlies settle for a future second rounder if the Celtics absorb Anderson's salary via their TPE? The Griz would create enough cap space to go after a max free agent this offseason.

flaco wrote:

VCfor3 wrote:

Whole Truth wrote:
He's the ultimate glue player that I don't think stats can rely appreciate. It's also debatable he was Memphis best player for a good portion of the season but he's also soon to be expiring & requiring extension.

Personally, I'd be looking at filler/#16 if Memphis believe Clarke can adequately backup 3J at PF.

Without Anderson, any injury to 3J would put this team into a spiral.

Pretty well said. It is hard to gauge our FO in terms of players. Maybe they'd let him go in order to get something for him and utilize space in the 2022 offseason if we don't extend JJJ. Maybe we extend JV, JJJ, and Anderson and look to be an over the cap team the next half a decade.

I don't see who the target would be, but if Memphis made a play for a third star and the other team preferred a Boston pick or whatever you guys package together over Anderson then maybe it gets done that way?

Any chance the Grizzlies settle for a future second rounder if the Celtics absorb Anderson's salary via their TPE? The Griz would create enough cap space to go after a max free agent this offseason.

Anderson was arguably the Grizz best player for a good portion of the season, The ultimate intangible player, high BBIQ, unselfish, solid defense etc..

Would you trade one of your most effective & winning players for a 2nd round pick, simply for cap space?.

Where if Memphis wanted cap space they only need to exercise Winslow's team option & drop his 15m opening up 20m+ to spend.

Memphis will need far better incentive than cap space & a 2nd round pick to move on from Anderson.