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Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#1 » by ducler » Thu May 13, 2021 10:38 pm

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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#2 » by Whole Truth » Fri May 14, 2021 3:25 am

Still want to trade Jonas ?..

24/13/3/1 on 10 shots, +22 in a 6pt win to offset:

Morant playing fatigued, committing 6 TO's, 3 unforced to his 8 assists.
Brooks shooting 13 for 28, 15 empty possessions, 45 potential points left on the table,
Memphis as a team turning the ball over 18 times.
Kings hitting 17 3's at a 42% clip.

Memphis should not have won that game but Jonas was a big reason why they did, he also came up with the final defensive stop on Delon to ice the game. Tillman in his 5 mins put up zero's across the board with 3 TO's ,-4 & unfortunately, with Jonas, Ja + 22 & 25 respectively, Jaren was the only starter in the minus, -2

Twice Kings went on big runs with Jonas on the bench. Memphis up 8 with the ball to start the 4th, Kings go on a 16-2 run to gain all the momentum & 8pt lead when Jonas was subbed back into the game early, 4mins in.

Illustrates how Jonas in relation to players lauded over him like Kat & Vucivic has had his teams in the playoff picture, even when traded to a 22 win team in place of their franchise C.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#3 » by Whole Truth » Fri May 14, 2021 10:58 am

3J is still not up to game speed but have to like the fact he pulled down 6 boards, 2 offensive in 20 mins. Looks like progress.

His decision making needs to improve... Stop leaping to defend, the first Kings run came after they drew Jaren's contact on a missed shot to foul him out for Tillman, it looks like he's also forcing offensively to compensate for not being up to speed. Let the game come to you big man, you also don't have to leave your feet on every defensive possession to be effective, you're 7ft with a massive wing span..

Can't wait till those flashes we see get ironed out into steady play.

Play smarter not harder, think the game. 15 empty possessions by Brooks & 18 team TO's quite a few unforced is 99 potential points left on the table. Good thing Jonas efficient 24pts on 10 shots helped to somewhat off set that inefficiency. Dillon's 30 spot 6 more pts came on 18 more attempts. Anyone think Jonas could score 6pts in 18 attempts?.

Dillon can be really effective for Memphis on both ends but he still needs to clean up that decision making & shot selection. It offsets everything he's doing defensively.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#4 » by Whole Truth » Fri May 14, 2021 11:07 am

Ja despite being +25, clearly needs rest. Playing the entire first Q by the time the 3rd Q rolled around 80-75 Memphis, Ja throws a swing pass way out of bounds, unforced with the entire team spacing left side to isolate his lone defender. So not only did he decide to not take his lone defender off the dribble he weakly threw the ball away, that's clear fatigue, mental & physical.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#5 » by E S V L » Fri May 14, 2021 11:54 am

This game was won by Dillon Brooks. His development has been as remarkable as Kyle`s one.

But my general impression - we have very few chances for success in the play-in and, even if a miracle happens, 0 chances in PO.

Whole Truth wrote:Still want to trade Jonas ?..


Every time I raised this question, Jonas caused me pain :) It is so unfair :)

PS Yes, I still want to trade JJJ and Bane.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#6 » by Whole Truth » Fri May 14, 2021 12:31 pm

E S V L wrote:This game was won by Dillon Brooks. His development has been as remarkable as Kyle`s one.

But my general impression - we have very few chances for success in the play-in and, even if a miracle happens, 0 chances in PO.

Whole Truth wrote:Still want to trade Jonas ?..


Every time I raised this question, Jonas caused me pain :) It is so unfair :)

PS Yes, I still want to trade JJJ and Bane.


Brooks had his good & bad moments in the game but he was not the reason Memphis eventually won. Brooks was subbed in for Bane 11:30 of the 4th & was part of the unit that allowed the 16-2 run to erase Memphis 8pt lead with possession to start the 4th.

Game didn't change till Jonas was subbed in early, 4mins into the 4th for Clarke. He proceeds to hit Memphis 2nd shot of the Q next possession to make it 99-93 Sacramento. Then Memphis with a supposed bad defensive C closed the Q on a 12-0 run with Jonas getting the final defensive stop on Delon after his clutch & 1.

Dillon makes better decisions with his 28 attempts along with the 18 team TO's, this game against Kings 3rd stringers, isn't close.

P.S keep raising the question then if he's going to play this good every time you do. Trading 3J to potentially get into the top 5 makes far more sense value wise, though I'm hesitant on the idea. I'd also might be willing to combine him with a pick if Memphis scouts are enamored with a particular wing target top 5.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#7 » by VCfor3 » Fri May 14, 2021 12:36 pm

I really hope we rest everyone tonight so that we are slightly more fresh for GSW Sunday. That is the game that determines if we are 8th or 9th seed.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#8 » by Whole Truth » Fri May 14, 2021 12:43 pm

VCfor3 wrote:I really hope we rest everyone tonight so that we are slightly more fresh for GSW Sunday. That is the game that determines if we are 8th or 9th seed.


I like the idea of working out the starting kinks in the 1st half, let 3J get some burn 2nd half to work on his game, in game while the other starters, Ja in particular gets rested then.

In other words I wouldn't be focused on winning but integrating, chemistry & getting 3J going.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#9 » by Whole Truth » Fri May 14, 2021 12:52 pm

From the Raptors board.

lobosloboslobos wrote:Jonas last 4 games:

24/13/3/1 blk on 8-10 shooting
20/11/2/5 on 9-12
18/21/1/4 on 9-15
19/16/2/2 on 9-12

average: 20/15/2/3 on 70% shooting

plus he is defending like a mofo these days. not perfect but way improved.

anyone think JV wants to make the playoffs?
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#10 » by E S V L » Fri May 14, 2021 1:01 pm

Whole Truth wrote:From the Raptors board.

lobosloboslobos wrote:Jonas last 4 games:

24/13/3/1 blk on 8-10 shooting
20/11/2/5 on 9-12
18/21/1/4 on 9-15
19/16/2/2 on 9-12

average: 20/15/2/3 on 70% shooting

plus he is defending like a mofo these days. not perfect but way improved.

anyone think JV wants to make the playoffs?


It wasn`t "shooting" in a classic way. Basically, the whole team on the floor had worked hard to deliver the ball right to his hands while he was waiting for it under the rim.

The above shouldn't affect the fact that JV is a top-10 NBA center and amazing person.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#11 » by Whole Truth » Fri May 14, 2021 1:07 pm

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It wasn`t "shooting" in a classic way. Basically, the whole team on the floor had worked hard to deliver the ball right to his hands while he was waiting for it under the rim.

The above shouldn't affect the fact that JV is a top-10 NBA center and amazing person.


Why make is sound like a bad thing that Jonas hit the & 1 to seal the win?.

Here's how it comes off,, Maybe Brooks should have tried to drive on 4 defenders while the entire team did nothing & watched.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#12 » by lobosloboslobos » Fri May 14, 2021 1:18 pm

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Whole Truth wrote:From the Raptors board.

lobosloboslobos wrote:Jonas last 4 games:

24/13/3/1 blk on 8-10 shooting
20/11/2/5 on 9-12
18/21/1/4 on 9-15
19/16/2/2 on 9-12

average: 20/15/2/3 on 70% shooting

plus he is defending like a mofo these days. not perfect but way improved.

anyone think JV wants to make the playoffs?


It wasn`t "shooting" in a classic way. Basically, the whole team on the floor had worked hard to deliver the ball right to his hands while he was waiting for it under the rim.

The above shouldn't affect the fact that JV is a top-10 NBA center and amazing person.


greetings Memphis board, long time JV fan here. A couple thoughts re your post, which i know isn't meant as a criticism. but still, isn't it a smart thing if the team works hard to get the ball to a 70% shooter under the basket? I've watched Memphis a lot this year and i find your team is often pretty selfish, with guys looking for their own shot rather than the best shot.

also, re shooting, here are the shooting % of 3 guys who are generally considered far better offensive Cs than Jonas:

FG%/2PT/3PT/FT/TS

Giannis .570/.637/.303/.689/.635
KAT .486/.537/.395/.857/.613
AD .492/.532/.269/.732/.555
Jonas .588/.607/.368/.772/.631

Jonas is either 1st or second in every category. Just saying as I used to do on the Raps board for years, you put the ball in his hands and he delivers. Period.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#13 » by E S V L » Fri May 14, 2021 1:32 pm

Whole Truth wrote:Here's how it comes off,, Maybe Brooks should have tried to drive on 4 defenders while the entire team did nothing & watched.


DB creates for himself. Out of nothing. Whereas JV`s success totally depends on Ja going under the rim + 3 teammates staying on the perimeter. Do you feel the difference?
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#14 » by Whole Truth » Fri May 14, 2021 1:40 pm

E S V L wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:Here's how it comes off,, Maybe Brooks should have tried to drive on 4 defenders while the entire team did nothing & watched.


DB creates for himself. Out of nothing. Whereas JV`s success totally depends on Ja going under the rim + 3 teammates staying on the perimeter. Do you feel the difference?


Jonas can create for himself, you missed the running dunk from the top of the arc?. he plays in the post & like most centre's has to get the ball from his guards to be effective.

DB more often than not, plays by himself & the few times he doesn't play that way, he looks like a 2 way Allstar player.

One player took 10 shots & put up 24pts, one player took 28 shots & put up 30,

I see the difference.

13-28 is 15 empty possession, 33 potential pts lost & while I understand that Brooks takes defensive pressure off JA, he could easily make better decisions offensively, Rare but I've seen him do it, so I know he can.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#15 » by E S V L » Fri May 14, 2021 1:48 pm

Whole Truth wrote:valid points


It`s a waste of time. You are making good points and putting me in the position where I should find JV`s weak spots. I don`t want to. I value him, I respect him, I recognize his contribution. All I am saying is that his success affects our versatility and optionality.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#16 » by E S V L » Fri May 14, 2021 1:53 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:you put the ball in his hands and he delivers. Period.


It`s easier to say than actually to deliver.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#17 » by Whole Truth » Fri May 14, 2021 1:54 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:[I've watched Memphis a lot this year and i find your team is often pretty selfish, with guys looking for their own shot rather than the best shot.


It's crazy that this is a true statement considering Memphis are 3rd in the league in assists.

No surprise in the games they average 30 assists, they have a clear winning record.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#18 » by Whole Truth » Fri May 14, 2021 2:02 pm

E S V L wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:you put the ball in his hands and he delivers. Period.


It`s easier to say than actually to deliver.


Over his last 4 games, 20/15/2/3 on 70% shooting

Over the course of the season 17/12.5/2 on 60% shooting, 7.5 WS, (15m contract)

I'd say he delivered.
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Re: Game 70: MEM vs SAC 

Post#19 » by E S V L » Fri May 14, 2021 2:11 pm

Whole Truth wrote:
E S V L wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:you put the ball in his hands and he delivers. Period.


It`s easier to say than actually to deliver.


Over his last 4 games, 20/15/2/3 on 70% shooting

Over the course of the season 17/12.5/2 on 60% shooting, 7.5 WS, (15m contract)

I'd say he delivered.


I meant "to deliver the ball to his hands".

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