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Play-In Game 2 : MEM @ GSW

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Re: Play-In Game 2 : MEM @ GSW 

Post#81 » by VCfor3 » Sun May 23, 2021 1:51 pm

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Please, bro. It had been Brooks for a long time, now we have Allen as a fresh unfair target. Allen was and is awesome; he is a better starter than Melton and Bane because of BBIQ and mental maturity.

Melton has gone a little cold but he is better than Allen. I'm good with saying Allen is currently better than Bane. I still say Allen should not have been in this game. Against Utah sure go ahead, but in a win or go home game when Allen looked rusty the game before you simply don't play him. He looked bad against the Spurs which is why he didn't really play the second half. Throwing him back out against GSW seems like an illadvised strategy.


Allen +17, 4-5 3pts
Bane -13, 1-5 3pts

I mean - I cannot even enter into serious discussion around this Brooks-Allen vs Melton-Bane.

Just because it worked out doesn't mean it was the smart gamble going into the game.
SAS game:
Allen -17 IN 5 MINUTES
Bane +4

Given the fact that Allen has been out for a bit and is likely rusty, the smart gamble would have been to not play him after what had happened a mere two days before. A smart gamble would have been challenging the 3pt foul call near the end of regulation. We won and Allen was able to help (mostly in OT) so yeah we won those gambles, but that doesn't make them smart gambles.
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Re: Play-In Game 2 : MEM @ GSW 

Post#82 » by E S V L » Sun May 23, 2021 4:49 pm

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VCfor3 wrote:Melton has gone a little cold but he is better than Allen. I'm good with saying Allen is currently better than Bane. I still say Allen should not have been in this game. Against Utah sure go ahead, but in a win or go home game when Allen looked rusty the game before you simply don't play him. He looked bad against the Spurs which is why he didn't really play the second half. Throwing him back out against GSW seems like an illadvised strategy.


Allen +17, 4-5 3pts
Bane -13, 1-5 3pts

I mean - I cannot even enter into serious discussion around this Brooks-Allen vs Melton-Bane.

Just because it worked out doesn't mean it was the smart gamble going into the game.
SAS game:
Allen -17 IN 5 MINUTES
Bane +4

Given the fact that Allen has been out for a bit and is likely rusty, the smart gamble would have been to not play him after what had happened a mere two days before. A smart gamble would have been challenging the 3pt foul call near the end of regulation. We won and Allen was able to help (mostly in OT) so yeah we won those gambles, but that doesn't make them smart gambles.


What would you make thinking that it was a gamble? Allen showed a good level of maturity and consistency during the entire season - that’s why he won his starting role. Coaches prefer this kind of players to take an important shot. JJJ was rather a gamble; Allen wasn’t.
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Re: Play-In Game 2 : MEM @ GSW 

Post#83 » by Whole Truth » Sun May 23, 2021 5:44 pm

You do know I wasn't making a case for who should or shouldn't be the staring 2. I've criticized everyone on this team at one point or another if I thought it was deserving. ESVL, did I not talk about figuring out Melton's propensity for TO's is why Jenkins probably chose not to start him ?.

My post was talking about 2 selfish plays, not who should or shouldn't start. I want these young players playing the right way, regardless of who's starting or not.

I wanted to avoid saying this because playoffs is about to kick off but you're going to make me say it.

Bane has been making a case for himself, why do you think Allen chose to look him off when open not once but twice a couple plays apart?. Instead of talking about Allen's OT 3's, Memphis could easily be talking about Bane's corner 3 sealing the deal in regulation, just saying.

That's where Allen ignored an open Bane for a contested air ball.

Do you think Allen doesn't know Bane could usurp him as the starting 2 ?.

Do you see the difference with Brooks trying to do to much vs knowingly looking off an open Bane, who's making a case for his starting spot.

As far as I'm concerned, there's no room for selfish players on this team. So either correct it or find somewhere else to be.

If Jonas wasn't a low maintenance team first vet, you think the big man rotation Memphis have would work ? it's that unselfish aspect of his game why his teams have been successful since first entering the league. No player on this team should be putting themselves in front of it & he's leading by example a very big reason why a young rebuilding Memphis squad in his first 2 yrs almost made the playoffs last year & did this year.

One word, sacrifice. Jonas does what's asked of him, while no complaints when the coach looks to play a rookie over him in crunch time.

Get on the Grizz train Allen or get off it.
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Re: Play-In Game 2 : MEM @ GSW 

Post#84 » by E S V L » Sun May 23, 2021 9:45 pm

Allen made 4 from 5 3pts, most of them are crucially important, he saved our asses, but all you guys remember is his one mistake.
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Re: Play-In Game 2 : MEM @ GSW 

Post#85 » by Whole Truth » Sun May 23, 2021 9:58 pm

E S V L wrote:Allen made 4 from 5 3pts, most of them are crucially important, he saved our asses, but all you guys remember is his one mistake.


You're seeing what you want to see in my posts. In almost all my posts above I said Allen had an otherwise good game he led the team in +/- & it wasn't lost on me.

The plays I referred to I didn't like for the reasons stated, they were selfish moments in an otherwise good outing but that was my original stated gripe with this game.

I was leaving it as you requested earlier only to see the conversation going where I wasn't taking it. It was never about me vying for a preferred option to start. Though you made sure to sling Melton & Bane from my original post in order to defend Allen.

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