What Is Memphis Doing?

Skriptz_Love · Post #1 » by **Skriptz_Love** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:08 am

i dont really follow memphis basketball
i was just wondering if a fan could clear some air for me
you guys gave up Gasol for some bums
and now made this trade with the hornets and rockets for some questionable players i have never seen in my life
are the grizzlies trying to rebuild on a bunch of second round picks?
or are they plannin on signing a big name?, i cant see a star wanting to play here...nothing about this team spells championship

jefe · Post #2 » by **jefe** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:30 am

Skriptz_Love wrote:i dont really follow memphis basketball
i was just wondering if a fan could clear some air for me
you guys gave up Gasol for some bums
and now made this trade with the hornets and rockets for some questionable players i have never seen in my lifeare the grizzlies trying to rebuild on a bunch of second round picks?
or are they plannin on signing a big name?, i cant see a star wanting to play here...nothing about this team spells championship

Agree 100%, we could have got so much more for Sergei

dark-child · Post #3 » by **dark-child** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:44 pm

Cash is King, and if the Grizz were apart of the deal then Keith Van Horn us as well. (I personally will not see a penny, which sucks)

Marcus Vinicuis is a good player, and I for one was in favor of drafting him in Lowry's spot two years ago. He just needs the confidence and to understand the game a little better. He is a restricted free agent at seasons end and if he isn't homesick (he is from Brazil) it would be great to have him resign as a backup to Rudy, and who knows after that. The kid we got from Houston is a project who seems to be developing in Germany who knows if he will ever make it in the league. The Grizz missed out on Saer Sene and this guy is a little older but from the same country Senegal and is a 6'10" power forward. So all in all cash and 2 projects isn't bad for Segui.

grizzleGM · Post #4 » by **grizzleGM** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:00 pm

Skriptz_Love wrote:i dont really follow memphis basketball
i was just wondering if a fan could clear some air for me
you guys gave up Gasol for some bums
and now made this trade with the hornets and rockets for some questionable players i have never seen in my life
are the grizzlies trying to rebuild on a bunch of second round picks?
or are they plannin on signing a big name?, i cant see a star wanting to play here...nothing about this team spells championship

Yes look for the Grizz to swap their 1st rd pick to Portland for their 3 08 2nd rd picks. Should be a great off-season!

Sardonic · Post #5 » by **Sardonic** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:41 pm

Skriptz_Love wrote:nothing about this team spells championship

It does spell "Sizzle Me Grip Shim" however.

Monta Ellis · Post #6 » by **Monta Ellis** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:31 pm

Seriously people. Gasol is not an elite hall of fame player like Kidd, Garnett, or Iverson. Please show me proof that we could have rec'd something better. Show me a trade where a team got more of what they needed in a trade for a player on the same level as Gasol. Good Luck.

We basically have the money that we were paying Gasol to go out & sign a FA. We also have flexibility to fascilitate trades or make a move like the Bobcats made for J-Rich(though that was a stupid move) because we will be under the cap this summer. We can sned Miller to another team in a sign & trade for a Josh Smitth, Monta Ellis, Iggy, or Deng and not have to match salaries because we're under the cap. And this is possible since we have alot of assets to toss into a trade like that; Marc gasol, Navarro, 2 Lakers #1 picks, Critt or Lowry. All of this flexbility b/c we traded a loafing, pouting, weak-minded, overpaid, though skilled baby who was going to singlehandedly keep us from improving in the following areas: running, rebounding, defending, hustle, clutch, toughness, leadership. It was a great trade, but most people cannot see past Gasol for Kwame?

grizzleGM · Post #7 » by **grizzleGM** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:44 pm

Monta, I agree. I actually am in the minority, in that I like the deal. I think they should have pushed to send Cardinal in the deal.

However, I will be surprised if the Grizz do not make a hard push at signing Gordon, Smith, or Ellis this summer.

M-Town's Finest · Post #8 » by **M-Town's Finest** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:16 am

Monta Ellis wrote:Seriously people. Gasol is not an elite hall of fame player like Kidd, Garnett, or Iverson. Please show me proof that we could have rec'd something better. Show me a trade where a team got more of what they needed in a trade for a player on the same level as Gasol. Good Luck.

We basically have the money that we were paying Gasol to go out & sign a FA. We also have flexibility to fascilitate trades or make a move like the Bobcats made for J-Rich(though that was a stupid move) because we will be under the cap this summer. We can sned Miller to another team in a sign & trade for a Josh Smitth, Monta Ellis, Iggy, or Deng and not have to match salaries because we're under the cap. And this is possible since we have alot of assets to toss into a trade like that; Marc gasol, Navarro, 2 Lakers #1 picks, Critt or Lowry. All of this flexbility b/c we traded a loafing, pouting, weak-minded, overpaid, though skilled baby who was going to singlehandedly keep us from improving in the following areas: running, rebounding, defending, hustle, clutch, toughness, leadership. It was a great trade, but most people cannot see past Gasol for Kwame?

Ummm, we could have had at least Al Jeffersion before the season started...

that alone is loads better than what we got. Rumor was that we could have had more than that but decided not to. There were several other offers on the table at the time that we also turned down.

Still, there is no reason to believe that we could not have gotten more at the trade deadline. He is definitely one of the top 30-40 players in the league. What we got in return was no one in the top couple hundred and a few draft picks and prospects that are not likely to have nearly the value of a top 30-40 player.

DelMonte West · Post #9 » by **DelMonte West** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:33 am

I think it's the fact that you guys didn't even get back someone like Turiaf or Farmar that made that trade so bizarre. At least one of their top 10 players...

And no offense to TN, but Memphis is pretty far down on the list of places NBA players are willing to go to.

I'm not trying to troll, but I've been trying to get a sense of what's going on and can't put a finger on it.

D-Wags#13 · Post #10 » by **D-Wags#13** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:53 pm

dark-child wrote:The kid we got from Houston is a project who seems to be developing in Germany who knows if he will ever make it in the league.

I know he will never make it to the league, NEVER. he was a project, but as u said he's older, he's 24 by now and being from africa and being bron on January 1st always has a bad taste about the age.
besides, he is simply awful. all he has is athelticism, but that's about it. besides he isn't in germany anymore and for the time he's been here, he barly developed, if at all.

fun fact: my fav team in germany, casey's former team, has won two championships in 05 and 07 and badiane was always on the opponent the met in the finals. the only impact he had was missing a open layup with under a minute to go that would have tied the game in the decisive game 5 of the 05 finals. :bowdown:

hard49 · Post #11 » by **hard49** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:04 pm

DelMonte West wrote:
And no offense to TN, but Memphis is pretty far down on the list of places NBA players are willing to go to.

No offense but in seven years nobody has turned down Memphis due to the city.

Double Dribble · Post #12 » by **Double Dribble** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:38 pm

"What Is Memphis Doing?"

Nothing.

dark-child · Post #13 » by **dark-child** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:53 pm

Okay the Grizz just waived Marcus V. so who really knows what is going on. I can safely say that the likely hood of C. Wallace getting anything above a scouting position with another organization is beyond remote. He is not distinguishing himself at all. It's like it is just a cash grab.

hard49 · Post #14 » by **hard49** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:40 pm

So Wallace has failed? Unfortunately he will never join the long list of great GMs that turned the worst team in the NBA into winners in less than a year.

You do have the list right?

Double Dribble · Post #15 » by **Double Dribble** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:21 am

Yes, Wallace has failed.

grizzleGM · Post #16 » by **grizzleGM** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:34 am

Double Dribble wrote:Yes, Wallace has failed.

According to whom?

I don't think Heisley thinks he has failed. He still has his job, right?

dark-child · Post #17 » by **dark-child** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:58 pm

The fact that Hiesley may have given him marching orders is the unfortunate thing, because Hiesley wants to hold on to this franchise like we want to be hunting buddies with Dick Cheney. As soon as he sells the team the new owner is not going to want that guy with that track record. Hence he should have fought tooth and nail for something a lot more decent and sold his boss on that instead of falling on his sword like Ollie North.

jefe · Post #18 » by **jefe** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:50 pm

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/51085/20080225/riley_disappointed_he_couldnt_land_mike_miller/

If this is true, it makes no sense IMO. Wallace gives Gasol away for an expiring, picks, and marginal prospects - but then refuses to trade Miller and Cardinal for expirings! What kind of sense does that make?

dennis_mora91 · Post #19 » by **dennis_mora91** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:54 pm

Maybe Heasley dont want Jason Williams come back

dark-child · Post #20 » by **dark-child** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:40 pm

Dennis, believe it or not Jason Williams was probably his favorite Grizzly.
He has been on record about how much he loved the guy. He only did the deal because he holds Jerry West's opinion with such reverance. Hence the speculation that J. W. 's fingerprints are all over this because none of the other teams knew about the pending deal. There are other expiringls that were larger than Kwame's like Antwan Jammison who is at 16 mil and a free agent this summer. Hence you could have gotten a larger expiring with actual talent, so his large expiring does not hold water.

As for not going thru with the Miami deal it would seem it was to dull the scent for the conspiracy theorist like myself in helping the old Laker gang.
J. W. helped Miami with there first championship and he has done it again this year for the Lakers. He did not want to be as blantant as Sam Presti was in helping his old San Antonio Spurs buddies with trades this year to the Spurs and Cleveland, and even those deals were not as bad as the Gasol deal.