conley and oden together again

Grizzfan4liphe · Post #1 » by **Grizzfan4liphe** » Sat May 17, 2008 6:35 pm

on the blazers of course. If we can draft Rose, trade conley to the blazers for lamarcus aldridge. I like it, do you?

rhp1990 · Post #2 » by **rhp1990** » Sat May 17, 2008 7:18 pm

wtf aldridge has already proven himself why the hell would the blazers do this, they already got Roy

Post #3 » by **boogiesdad** » Sat May 17, 2008 7:29 pm

MEm would have to include the lakers pick to have a chance

Hoops23 · Post #4 » by **Hoops23** » Sun May 18, 2008 3:46 am

The Blazers are not stupid to trade Aldridge for Conley. Aldridge is a far better player than Conley. There are only 3 days left for the lottery and we will have a hint then where Rose ends up.

GrizzledGrizzFan · Post #5 » by **GrizzledGrizzFan** » Sun May 18, 2008 1:05 pm

Hoops23 wrote:The Blazers are not stupid to trade Aldridge for Conley. Aldridge is a far better player than Conley. There are only 3 days left for the lottery and we will have a hint then where Rose ends up.

I don't see Portland making that deal. However, to say that Aldridge is a "far better player" isn't necessarily right either. Look at Aldridge's first year numbers compared to Conley's rookie season. They are VERY comparable. If Conley improves at a similar rate to Aldridge...

Post #6 » by **magee** » Sun May 18, 2008 11:31 pm

^Not happening. At all.

A.J. · Post #7 » by **A.J.** » Mon May 19, 2008 2:13 am

I doubt you guys draft Rose over Beasley. According to wiretap.

GrizzledGrizzFan · Post #8 » by **GrizzledGrizzFan** » Mon May 19, 2008 2:36 am

A.J. wrote:I doubt you guys draft Rose over Beasley. According to wiretap.

Who knows, certainly not the experts. This is Chris Wallace we're talking about. Hell, after hearing him on the radio the other day professing man love for Brooke Lopez, I wouldn't be surprised if the Grizz took him with the first pick :crazy:

jefe · Post #9 » by **jefe** » Mon May 19, 2008 2:53 am

A.J. wrote:I doubt you guys draft Rose over Beasley. According to wiretap.

You do know that the wiretap is nothing but pure speculation by a writer from the Sacramento Bee .... or do you believe that the writers of the Sacramento Bee have inside information from the Grizz brass? :lol:

A.J. · Post #10 » by **A.J.** » Mon May 19, 2008 2:54 am

jefe wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You do know that the wiretap is nothing but pure speculation by a writer from the Sacramento Bee .... or do you believe that the writers of the Sacramento Bee have inside information from the Grizz brass?

tester551 · Post #11 » by **tester551** » Mon May 19, 2008 5:37 am

How about a trade like this?

Portland Trades:
Jarrett Jack (a PG - to either use or trade to another team)
Josh McRoberts (a young prospect with an expiring contract)
Raef LaFrentz (Large expiring to make salaries work)
#13 Pick (Late Loto pick to find some decent value)
#33 Pick (early second round pick to take a flyer on a pick)

Memphis Trades:
Mike Conley (the centerpiece of the trade)
Jason Collins (expiring contract to make things work)
Brian Cardinal (the "price to pay" to get Conley)
#28 Pick (Late 1st to keep Portland's options open for additional trades)

This boils down to:
1) Jack = Conley (at least for last season)
2) Conley's potential >> Jack's potential
3) Portland's contract filler > Memphis' contract filler (due to Cardinal for about $6-mill)
4) #13 >> #28
5) #33 > nothing

Memphis would have a lot of options available drafting in the top 4, #13, and #33.

Harry10 · Post #12 » by **Harry10** » Mon May 19, 2008 6:44 am

Rose is too good to pass up.

if Portland can some how get a high enough draft pick to get Jordan or Lopez, then Conley for Portland's 2008 and 2009 (protected) draft picks, could be something MEM will have to take seriously.

Jack wore plaid · Post #13 » by **Jack wore plaid** » Mon May 19, 2008 5:20 pm

Conley for Outlaw and Portlands pick (#13?) is pretty equal

I realize Conley was a high pick, and I think he will be very good, but Aldridge is already very good, and he's 7' after growing.

Outlaw is already good, and in an up tempo offense could be a great PF. He along with Jack and #13 would be adequate if not great value for Conley.

jefe · Post #14 » by **jefe** » Tue May 20, 2008 2:23 pm

Jack wore plaid wrote:Conley for Outlaw and Portlands pick (#13?) is pretty equal

I realize Conley was a high pick, and I think he will be very good, but Aldridge is already very good, and he's 7' after growing.

Outlaw is already good, and in an up tempo offense could be a great PF. He along with Jack and #13 would be adequate if not great value for Conley.

No, it wouldn't. No matter how you characterize it; trading one stud prospect for three lesser ones is not a good deal. It's the reason why Portland fans balk (rightly so) at the idea of packages cobbled together from lesser pieces for the likes of LMA, Oden, or Roy.

Effigy · Post #15 » by **Effigy** » Wed May 21, 2008 7:25 am

Thing is, players don't stay 'stud prospects' for very long. Conley already flat out doesn't look like he should have been the 4th pick. The sheen is already coming off that rose. Look in the difference of opinion on Barganani from year 1 to year 2. Pass on the deal if you like, but remember you might settle for a lot less if you wait too long.

jefe · Post #16 » by **jefe** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:21 pm

Bonzi wrote:Thing is, players don't stay 'stud prospects' for very long. Conley already flat out doesn't look like he should have been the 4th pick. The sheen is already coming off that rose. Look in the difference of opinion on Barganani from year 1 to year 2. Pass on the deal if you like, but remember you might settle for a lot less if you wait too long.

Obviously, the situation changes as the player progresses (or doesn't progress) - which leads to the possibility of "buy low" or "sell high" occuring at this moment, but only capable of knowing with 20/20 hindsight a few years from now; but at this point, Conley's numbers compare very favorably to Deron Williams' rookie numbers and (1) Conley played less college ball and (2) had injuries sporadically throughout the year that kept him from really finding a groove.

Question: If you think Conley is going to bust, then why are you (Blazer fans, not you individually) so interested in acquiring him?

Effigy · Post #17 » by **Effigy** » Thu May 22, 2008 1:49 am

2 reasons: 1) Oden and Conley are best friends, doesn't hurt to keep the big guy happy, and 2) Because we smell a deal. We know Conley's a risk but we'll take that risk and see what happens.

GrizzledGrizzFan · Post #18 » by **GrizzledGrizzFan** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:16 am

Bonzi wrote:2 reasons: 1) Oden and Conley are best friends, doesn't hurt to keep the big guy happy, and 2) Because we smell a deal. We know Conley's a risk but we'll take that risk and see what happens.

Now you're just being insulting IMO.

No thank you.

Cubboo · Post #19 » by **Cubboo** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:37 am

Bonzi wrote:2 reasons: 1) Oden and Conley are best friends, doesn't hurt to keep the big guy happy, and 2) Because we smell a deal. We know Conley's a risk but we'll take that risk and see what happens.

Well in that case....We'll take Oden for 2 reasons:
1) Oden and Conley are best friends, doesn't hurt to keep the little guy happy, and 2) Because we smell a deal. We know Oden's a risk (out all year with an injury), but we'll take that risk and see what happens.