Heat fan here...

[BlaZeN27]

I know there's been similar rumors, but how negative deal you feel towards this one...



Mike Miller, Mike Conley, #5 for Marc Blount, Daquan Cook, #2

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

Pretty negatively, personally. Mike Miller is an alternate for the Olympic Squad. He's a fantastic outside shooter, great rebounder and is only 28. He has value. Mike Conley was the 4th overall last season, is only 20 years old and once he was healthy showed sparks of brilliance last season. His rookie campaign compares favorably with Deron Williams'. He has great value. The #5 pick will be a quality player in the league for years to come (most likely Love or Lopez), and is a potential star. Marc Blount is bloat and his contract is a huge negative coming back.

Beasley is a potential superstar and Cook's a potential rotation player on a good team.

Sub out Lowry for Conley and drop Cook and I'm much happier with the trade.

Sub out Haslam for Blount (leaving Conley in) and it's fairer from the Grizz's perspective.

Drop Miller and sub Banks for Blount. Looks much more doable.

Also note, just because Wallace was under a mandate to move Pau at all costs (or savings depending on how you look at it...) doesn't mean he's willing to bend over at the drop of the hat. If anything my gut feeling is he's going to go conservative to avoid further damaging the franchise and his reputation.

Finally, I'm sure this isn't the answer you were looking for. It's probably, in your eyes "very homerish", so take it for what it's worth - just remember, you asked

[dark-child]

Reports are that the proposal was Miami's counter offer. The Grizz do not intend to offer Conley to obtain the #2 overall pick. They have offered Miller, Lowry, & #28 pick for the #2 and fillers. I do feel that while that offer is not what Miami wants it is still a lot better than the other reported offers. I really don't have a feel for what Miami will do but from a Grizz standpoint it is nice to see our GM holding firm and not being on the business end of a one sided trade.

[Kosar86]

Reports are that the proposal was Miami's counter offer. The Grizz do not intend to offer Conley to obtain the #2 overall pick. They have offered Miller, Lowry, & #28 pick for the #2 and fillers. I do feel that while that offer is not what Miami wants it is still a lot better than the other reported offers. I really don't have a feel for what Miami will do but from a Grizz standpoint it is nice to see our GM holding firm and not being on the business end of a one sided trade.

Wow, what a counter offer...Miller and Lowry + the 28 for Beasely!!! Just for making this offer he should be slapped.

[Grizzfan777]

Conley was great when healthy last year and he is part of the nucleus we have of Gay/Conley...also the CA reported Conley will remain a Grizz no matter what goes down tomorrow, however credible that might be is for you to decide. The deal I think is best is the...

Lowry, Miller, #5 for #2 Blount

This would give the Heat the best 3 point shooter in the league who can play 3 positions at a very high level and it also gives the Heat a good young PG who is extemely quick and would be great alongside D-Wade, plus you only move down 3 spots and can pick up someone that is still very good.

The Grizz get Beasley who is the perfect "Phoenix 4" and would be great to go along with Gay and Conley and would pretty much complete our starting lineup. We get to eat Blounts nasty contract but it will expire by the time Gay is up for a new contract so we can live with that. Go and get CDR or Beasley's teammate Bill Walker and we would finally be nearing the finish line in terms of the massive overhaul of the last 2 years.

C-Gasol
PF-Beasley
SF-Gay
SG-CDR or Walker
PG-Conley

[GrizzMan]

Beasley is the man, but we had better not offer the No. 5 pick AND Conley Jr. I know the Grizzlies are desparate for a star, but it is not worth giving up Conley and our 5th pick! Mike Miller, Kyle Lowery, and the No. 5 Pick FOR Blount and Beasley is more than fair to the Heat. If they want more, they can go elsewhere!

[BBallFreak]

Beasley is the man, but we had better not offer the No. 5 pick AND Conley Jr. I know the Grizzlies are desparate for a star, but it is not worth giving up Conley and our 5th pick! Mike Miller, Kyle Lowery, and the No. 5 Pick FOR Blount and Beasley is more than fair to the Heat. If they want more, they can go elsewhere!

Fair is a relative term. We're not talking about dropping three spots as much as we are about dropping from the top tier. Mike Miller and Kyle Lowry don't make me want to do that...

[M-Town's Finest]

Hmmm, Mike Miller is an Olympic level player that has just come off of multiple seasons being one of the best shooters in the league, one of (if not the) top rebounders for his position, and is still only 28 years old. Kyle Lowry is a fringe starter, but still very young. We are saying that that is not good enough to move up 3 spots in a draft? The difference between Love and Beasley? OK then. We think it is borderline too much. If Miami still wants more, I'll take Love and keep them. Then they can take Mayo at number 2 and miss out on all value. The more likely scenario is that they take Beasley at 2 without a deal in place and find out that the Grizzlies offer is the best that they'll find.

[Hoops23]

Mike Miller, Mike Conley, #5 for Marc Blount, Daquan Cook, #2

This is a better deal compared to the Gasol trade. I think its a fair deal and the Grizz will not be criticized as the Gasol trade.

What does Conley accomplish in the league last season?

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

Mike Miller, Mike Conley, #5 for Marc Blount, Daquan Cook, #2

This is a better deal compared to the Gasol trade. I think its a fair deal and the Grizz will not be criticized as the Gasol trade.

What does Conley accomplish in the league last season?

To be fair, what has Michael Beasley accomplished in the NBA today?

The answer to both questions is that you have to project based on the body of work and what players of their ilk have done in the past.

Conley's rookie season compares very favorably to Deron Williams, for example.

[BBallFreak]

Hmmm, Mike Miller is an Olympic level player that has just come off of multiple seasons being one of the best shooters in the league, one of (if not the) top rebounders for his position, and is still only 28 years old. Kyle Lowry is a fringe starter, but still very young. We are saying that that is not good enough to move up 3 spots in a draft? The difference between Love and Beasley? OK then. We think it is borderline too much. If Miami still wants more, I'll take Love and keep them. Then they can take Mayo at number 2 and miss out on all value. The more likely scenario is that they take Beasley at 2 without a deal in place and find out that the Grizzlies offer is the best that they'll find.

This is one of the funniest posts I've read. Thank you for the laugh.

Seriously, when did Memphis become our only trading partner? Do you realize how many teams would like to land that pick? And to further dissect the post, Mike Miller is one of the best rebounders at his position? We've got freaking Shawn Marion! He's THE best rebounder at his position, and by far. While I appreciate the fact that he's a very good shooter, you have to keep in mind Miami has never really had a significantly difficult time finding shooters. Guys like Voshon Lenard, Damon Jones, and Jason Kapono have always come pretty cheaply, and seemingly from nowhere. Is Miller better than they are? Certainly, but not so much so that we have any reason to drop in the draft to get him. I mean, realistically, he's going to be a bench player in Miami because Wade, Marion, and Haslem are going to start. Lowry? Ehhh...

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

Well your post made me laugh. Seriously, when did it become good form for a forum mod to hop over to another teams board and scorn their points of view on their teams players? Seriously.

[PhD Griz]

how about this....

memphis didn't tank 2 years ago....and got ridiculed and many, many nba pundits wanted the lottery changed to punish us...

miami tanks blantaly on purpose and gets rewarded for it....and no on cares, and on the other hand is happy that now dwade will get a partner to not waste his talent....

go to hell heat fans, your board sucks and has more locked threads than open ones...

I hope dwade breaks his shoulder, the impending idiotic beasley trade backfires, marion cries about not getting enough respect again and the ghost of ricky davis haunts you guys for the next decade....

[Double Dribble]

Well your post made me laugh. Seriously, when did it become good form for a forum mod to hop over to another teams board and scorn their points of view on their teams players? Seriously.

Cha-CHING!

[dflash3]

how about this....

memphis didn't tank 2 years ago....and got ridiculed and many, many nba pundits wanted the lottery changed to punish us...

miami tanks blantaly on purpose and gets rewarded for it....and no on cares, and on the other hand is happy that now dwade will get a partner to not waste his talent....

go to hell heat fans, your board sucks and has more locked threads than open ones...

I hope dwade breaks his shoulder, the impending idiotic beasley trade backfires, marion cries about not getting enough respect again and the ghost of ricky davis haunts you guys for the next decade....

And I hope the Grizzlies trade Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown.

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

See, mod sets a bad precedent and the lackey's follow suit...

[dflash3]

^Nah I just couldn't resist after that cheap shot and it was too good of an opportunity to pass up.

[Double Dribble]

I hope you get diarrhoea.

[M-Town's Finest]

Hmmm, Mike Miller is an Olympic level player that has just come off of multiple seasons being one of the best shooters in the league, one of (if not the) top rebounders for his position, and is still only 28 years old. Kyle Lowry is a fringe starter, but still very young. We are saying that that is not good enough to move up 3 spots in a draft? The difference between Love and Beasley? OK then. We think it is borderline too much. If Miami still wants more, I'll take Love and keep them. Then they can take Mayo at number 2 and miss out on all value. The more likely scenario is that they take Beasley at 2 without a deal in place and find out that the Grizzlies offer is the best that they'll find.

This is one of the funniest posts I've read. Thank you for the laugh.

Seriously, when did Memphis become our only trading partner? Do you realize how many teams would like to land that pick? And to further dissect the post, Mike Miller is one of the best rebounders at his position? We've got freaking Shawn Marion! He's THE best rebounder at his position, and by far. While I appreciate the fact that he's a very good shooter, you have to keep in mind Miami has never really had a significantly difficult time finding shooters. Guys like Voshon Lenard, Damon Jones, and Jason Kapono have always come pretty cheaply, and seemingly from nowhere. Is Miller better than they are? Certainly, but not so much so that we have any reason to drop in the draft to get him. I mean, realistically, he's going to be a bench player in Miami because Wade, Marion, and Haslem are going to start. Lowry? Ehhh...

We're definitely not your only trading partner. Did I say that? You're a mod and you can't read? We've put the best offer (imo) on the table and frankly, it would not be a good value for us if we were to offer any more. Marion is probably a little better than Miller, but there is nothing that says that they can't both play at once, but this is all sidestepping the point. I don't know what Miami's plans are, but Miller being involved in the trade rumor indicates that MIAMI WANTS HIM. We're not going to give you a discount just because he would be a bench player (if they were foolish enough to put him there). Kapono, Jones, Lenard? Please...

[BBallFreak]

We're definitely not your only trading partner. Did I say that? You're a mod and you can't read? We've put the best offer (imo) on the table and frankly, it would not be a good value for us if we were to offer any more. Marion is probably a little better than Miller, but there is nothing that says that they can't both play at once, but this is all sidestepping the point. I don't know what Miami's plans are, but Miller being involved in the trade rumor indicates that MIAMI WANTS HIM. We're not going to give you a discount just because he would be a bench player (if they were foolish enough to put him there). Kapono, Jones, Lenard? Please...

Let me just say, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I'm sorry if it came off the wrong way.

Their is nothing being proposed here that gets me to trade Beasley, and apparently Riley feels the same way. According to Ric Bucher, what Riley asked for was Rudy Gay, Mike Conley, and the #5. Like it or not (and I wouldn't that deal if I were you) that does not include Mike Miller. Saying Riley wants him because Memphis offered him, is very disingenuous. I'd heard Antoine Walker mentioned in trade rumors before he actually got dealt from Miami. Saying the other team wanted him (and Minnesota only wanted him because we gave them a first to take him) would be a bit insulting, don't you agree?