Thoughts on HOW to Trade Crittenton

ecuhus1981 · Post #1 » by **ecuhus1981** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:40 pm

Assuming Memphis wants to trade Javaris to the Magic...

What would the Grizzlies look for in return? The way I see it, this would be their best opportunity to dump Marko Jaric, who will have a hard time staying motivated and effective with so many ball-handlers (Mayo, Conley, Lowry) around. Dumping Jaric would mean even more '09 capspace, and many quality FAs should be available. Some MEM fans have told me though that they would rather keep him and get as much value as possible out of a Crittenton trade. Still other believe that a guard rotation of all four of your current young ball-handlers would be great, and there's no need to trade him at all.

If you had your way, how would you trade Javaris? Or WOULD you trade him?

Trade ID #4737828

Trade ID #4737824 - Gortat would be cut, so he could re-sign with ORL

Bear with me, I have included a swap Euro bigmen into these trades. I think Vazquez and Rakovic would be more likely to come over if they could play with fellow countrymen Gasol and Milicic (respectively).

GrizzledGrizzFan · Post #2 » by **GrizzledGrizzFan** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:34 pm

I'm to the point, as a poster on the RealGM boards, that I don't want to see JC traded to the Magic. Period. Magic fans just don't "get" the fact that JC won't be moved for cap purposes. He's on his freakin' rookie contract. Bogans does NOTHING for the Grizz. Fran's not coming to the US anytime soon. JC is worth more than 2nd round picks or a late first round pick alone - IMO. With all of this in mind, Orlando just doesn't have the assets, that it's willing to move, to get JC.

theTHIEF · Post #3 » by **theTHIEF** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:55 pm

both of those trades make no sense to me, for either side really...

GrizzledGrizzFan wrote:I'm to the point, as a poster on the RealGM boards, that I don't want to see JC traded to the Magic. Period. Magic fans just don't "get" the fact that JC won't be moved for cap purposes. He's on his freakin' rookie contract. Bogans does NOTHING for the Grizz. Fran's not coming to the US anytime soon. JC is worth more than 2nd round picks or a late first round pick alone - IMO. With all of this in mind, Orlando just doesn't have the assets, that it's willing to move, to get JC.

interesting...

commadoor 64 · Post #4 » by **commadoor 64** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:58 pm

I see no reason to trade Critt, at all.

Besides the fact that both of our PG have spent considerable time being injured in their rookie years, we simply haven't seen enough of Critt to evaluate him. When he got here mid-season the team was already a shambles, running no offense or defense, for that matter.

Be patient and let our guards earn their position on the court. Let the roster be made by talent and need, not by tenure.

And wait.....

Someone will need a guard at some point in this season or next, deal from a position of strength, not because we have too many.

They're all on their rookie contracts and we only have 11 guys on the roster anyway.

Trading because we can isn't the way to deal, trade because there's a benefit.

Downtown · Post #5 » by **Downtown** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:08 pm

Yeah, there's definitely no urgency from the Grizzlies side to trade him.

But if posters do come in here to make offers for him, remember that Marcus Williams just fetched a first round pick from Golden State, so I think it's fair to start at that level.

And really, Memphis isn't looking at adding depth with bench reserves. They are planning for the future. But if a Magic fan can convince me that they can make a three way proposal that works to get back the likes of a player such as Fransisco Garcia or Sean Williams then I'm all ears.

sipclip · Post #6 » by **sipclip** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:34 pm

What would you guys think about Ross and a top 10 protected 1st from the clips for him? With it being top 10 protected instead of lottery protected I think it makes it extremely likely for you to get it next year.

ecuhus1981 · Post #7 » by **ecuhus1981** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:35 pm

How about this deal?

Trade ID #4737980

You don't get a Garcia or a Sean Williams out of the deal, but you DO get your own future 1st back, which could be even more valuable. You also shave a year off of Jaric's deal with Etan, who would be useful on a frontcourt sorely lacking enforcer-type defenders. Bogans... well, he is a good defender, but more importantly, he's an expiring. Finally, have faith in Vazquez and Rakovic. They would be highly likely to come over in Memphis' environment, and they can certainly be utilized by the Grizzlies.

bgassassin · Post #8 » by **bgassassin** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:45 pm

Javaris Crittenton for JJ Redick and Orlando's first rounder.

If Javaris can almost be traded for ONLY a first round pick, then he can be traded for a shooter AND a first rounder.

huskyfan224 · Post #9 » by **huskyfan224** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:23 pm

No for JJ Redick, he is terrible. trade him for bogans/1st/vazquez/rakovic

bgassassin · Post #10 » by **bgassassin** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:57 pm

And you determined that off of what?

Anyway, I definitely don't want that trade occur. You know it's bad when some of the Spanish fans don't even want Vazquez on the Grizzlies.

magicfanatic23 · Post #11 » by **magicfanatic23** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:16 am

GrizzledGrizzFan wrote:I'm to the point, as a poster on the RealGM boards, that I don't want to see JC traded to the Magic. Period. Magic fans just don't "get" the fact that JC won't be moved for cap purposes. He's on his freakin' rookie contract. Bogans does NOTHING for the Grizz. Fran's not coming to the US anytime soon. JC is worth more than 2nd round picks or a late first round pick alone - IMO. With all of this in mind, Orlando just doesn't have the assets, that it's willing to move, to get JC.

You may not want to move Crittenton to Orlando but they are the only ones I have heard that are interested in him. Maybe I am wrong but I have not heard there is much interest from any other teams. And the fact that you guys have a boat load of PGs, it may be in your best interest to move him for at least an asset or 2. I think the deal that makes the most sense is JJ or Bogans+a lottery protected 1st round pick. You may think their is a better deal out there but I am starting to doubt that. Although you may not want him in a Magic uniform, at least you can get assets to help rebuild your team instead of just holding on to him and not playing him much. We will see in the upcoming weeks what will play out.

GrizzledGrizzFan · Post #12 » by **GrizzledGrizzFan** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:22 am

"Maybe I am wrong but I have not heard there is much interest from any other teams."

You're wrong - there are other teams interested. Also, just because Orlando is interested doesn't mean they have the right pieces to trade for him.

The reason as a fan I don't want to see JC in Orlando is that trading with the Magic won't make the Grizz any better.

The reason I don't want to see him in Orlando as a RealGM poster is that some (not all obviously) just, well, let's leave it at they aren't the type of folks I care for.

ecuhus1981 · Post #13 » by **ecuhus1981** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:28 am

huskyfan224 wrote:No for JJ Redick, he is terrible. trade him for bogans/1st/vazquez/rakovic

Yes, Redick is terrible. He is also untradeable, according to Otis Smith, so Redick isn't going anywhere.

bgassassin · Post #14 » by **bgassassin** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:30 am

GrizzledGrizzFan wrote:The reason as a fan I don't want to see JC in Orlando is that trading with the Magic won't make the Grizz any better.

So how would trading Crit for Washington's pick made us better?

EDIT:

ecuhus1981 wrote:Yes, Redick is terrible. He is also untradeable, according to Otis Smith, so Redick isn't going anywhere.

How is it that he's both terrible and untradeable? Is it because of where he was drafted? And he seems more limited than terrible.

grizzleGM · Post #15 » by **grizzleGM** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:45 am

ecuhus... that link to the trade proposal is ridiculous!!! The Grizz actually have 2 C's and the last thing they need is to trade Lowry, Critt and Jaric!!!

Quit throwing Vasquez in like he is worth something. He will be over 30 before it is realistic for him to come over.

GoGrizz · Post #16 » by **GoGrizz** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:20 am

I think JJ plus a first round pick would be good enough to pull the trigger on this deal

ecuhus1981 · Post #17 » by **ecuhus1981** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:28 am

bgassassin wrote:
GrizzledGrizzFan wrote:The reason as a fan I don't want to see JC in Orlando is that trading with the Magic won't make the Grizz any better.

So how would trading Crit for Washington's pick made us better?

EDIT:

ecuhus1981 wrote:Yes, Redick is terrible. He is also untradeable, according to Otis Smith, so Redick isn't going anywhere.

How is it that he's both terrible and untradeable? Is it because of where he was drafted? And he seems more limited than terrible.

It is a quandary, I know. Chalk it up to the crazy illogic of Otis Smith. He has said several times that JJ is not for sale. And I suppose if you want to be kind, Limited is a fair description.

BTW, it's not WAS' pick, it's MEM's from the Navarro trade. Getting that pick back would be very beneficial to the Grizzlies, IMO.

ecuhus1981 · Post #18 » by **ecuhus1981** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:35 am

grizzleGM wrote:ecuhus... that link to the trade proposal is ridiculous!!! The Grizz actually have 2 C's and the last thing they need is to trade Lowry, Critt and Jaric!!!

So, you're not allowed to have 2 Cs and a PF/C in today's NBA? I agree, this deal would leave you a bit bare on PGs. But I think it would be better for Mayo to soak up some PG minutes, and you can always haul in a 3rd PG at the vet's minimum.

grizzleGM wrote:Quit throwing Vasquez in like he is worth something. He will be over 30 before it is realistic for him to come over.

Well, you sort of have a point (Fran is locked into his deal until '09, and is already 25), and I apologize if adding him into all of my deals is getting annoying. More than anything, I think poetic justice and just common decency demands that he and Milovan be involved in any ORL-MEM trade. They aren't the profit center of this deal; re-acquiring your pick and dumping Jaric are the key components. Those two "assets" aren't as sexy as a shiny new American youngster, but they would serve the franchise very well.

bgassassin · Post #19 » by **bgassassin** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:32 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:BTW, it's not WAS' pick, it's MEM's from the Navarro trade. Getting that pick back would be very beneficial to the Grizzlies, IMO.

I guess you aren't familiar with the deal I am talking about. On draft night, the Grizzlies were going to trade Crit for Was' 18th only if Javale McGee was off the board. With that pick we were going to take Courtney Lee. McGee was still available and the deal fell through. It wasn't dealing with getting the rights back to our pick. So the way I see it if Crit can be almost traded for that, then there should be no problem getting someone who can shoot and getting a first rounder out of the deal.

PhD Griz · Post #20 » by **PhD Griz** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:48 pm

bogans >>>>> horrible

trade exception >>>>>> is cutting cap that important, we are only a few million above the minimum required salary the way it is

1st rounder >>>>>> orlando ain't gonna suck

JJ Reddick >>>>>> sure he can shoot, but he'll kill us defensively, essentially a downgrade from navarro...also can't rebound or play PF

What Would You CHoose?