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Sam Young & 2011 2nd Round Pick for Tony Allen & Gabe Pruitt

Posted: Sat Jul 4, 2009 2:02 am
by Jammer
Hi - Celtic fan here. I'd appreciate any insight/comments that you
Grizzlies fans can provide why the following 3 way will or won't work?

I know your 2011 2nd Round Pick goes to Houston if Memphis has one of the
5 best records in the NBA. If not one of the 5 best records, the pick can be traded.

You wind giving up 2009 #36 pick Sam Young and your 2011 2nd Round Pick
for Tony Allen and Gabe Pruitt from Boston. Gabe is in the 3rd year of his contract,
and will be a Restricted Free Agent next summer. Tony is in the last year of his contract.
The Celtics might want to substitute J. R. Giddens, in the 2nd year of his rookie contract,
for Tony Allen, but I don't think so.

In exchange for the sign and trade, Detroit gets a 2011 2nd Round Pick from Memphis
and Celtic PF Brian Scalabrine, an expiring contract for $3.4 million
who can spread the floor with 3 point shots, execute plays, and
plays good perimeter D (height w/o shoes is 6' 8.75").

So, what's wrong with overpaying Sheed (or Antonio McDyess) for two years?
to get either one to come to Boston for $7 million per year versus
a mid-level of around $5.8 million plus 8% for $6.25 million in year 2.

This would leave the Celtics with the full MLE to offer Grant Hill.

Here is a 3 way that I think makes sense for all teams.


Boston Sends Memphis Tony Allen & Gabe Pruitt (Celtics might substitute Giddens for Tony Allen)

Memphis Sends Boston 2009 #36 Pick Sam Young
Memphis Sends Detroit 2011 Second Round Pick (Top 55 Protected to Houston)


Detroit Signs & Trades Rasheed Wallace (or McDyess) to Boston for 2 years at $7 Million Per Year
Boston Sends Detroit Brian Scalabrine


Detroit Depth Chart (12 Players plus need one more FA)

C: Kwame Brown / Jason Maxiell
PF: Charlie Villanueva / Brian Scalabrine
SF: Tayshawn Prince / 2009 #15 Pick Austin Daye / 2009 #35 Pick DaJuan Summers
SG: Rip Hamilton / Ben Gordon / Aaron Affalo
PG: Rodney Stuckey / Will Bynum

Boston Depth Chart (12 players plus need a FA mobile PF and FA full sized Wing)

C: Kendrick Perkins / Rasheed Wallace / Glen Davis
PF: Kevin Garnett / Rasheed Wallace / Glen Davis
SF: Paul Pierce / Bill Walker / 2009 #36 Pick Sam Young
SG: Ray Allen / J. R. Giddens
PG: Rajon Rondo / Eddie House / Lester Hudson

That's only 12 players, the Celtics have the full MLE and LLE to pick up a mobile PF and
full sized Wing (Grant Hill for the full MLE could do both).

Memphis Depth Chart (13 players plus probably need another FA PG)

C: Marc Gasol / Hasheem Thabeet / Hamed Haddadi
PF: Zach Randolph / Hakeem Warrick (RFA) / Darrell Arthur
SF: Rudy Gay / Marko Jaric / 2009 #27 Pick DeMarre Carroll
SG: OJ Mayo / Tony Allen
PG: Mike Conley / Gabe Pruitt

Detroit, who only has one PF with now,
gets Brian Scalabrine and a 2011 2nd Round pick from Memphis for giving Rasheed a S&T.

Memphis gets a outstanding defensive SG (Tony Allen) and outstanding defensive PG (Gabe Pruitt)
in exchange for their 2009 #36 Pick and 2011 Second Round Pick.

The Celtics get Rasheed Wallace or Antonio McDyess and Memphis 2009 #36 Pick Sam Young
in exchange for Brian Scalabrine, Tony Allen and Gabe Pruitt.

It seems fair to all parties. What say you?
Giddens can be substituted for Tony Allen (I'd rather keep Giddens, I think)
and Antonio McDyess can be substituted for Rasheed Wallace.

This leaves the Celtics with the full MLE to offer Grant Hill.

Re: Sam Young & 2011 2nd Round Pick for Tony Allen & Gabe Pruitt

Posted: Sat Jul 4, 2009 2:52 am
by It_Was_Typed
I don't see Detroit wanting Scalabrine and there's no need for Pruitt, Allen or a second round pick.

Re: Sam Young & 2011 2nd Round Pick for Tony Allen & Gabe Pruitt

Posted: Sat Jul 4, 2009 4:14 am
by grizzleGM
Just because Memphis got a steal in the 2nd rd of this draft doesn't mean they are going to turn around and give him away for two guys that might not get another contract when the one they are on runs out.

Re: Sam Young & 2011 2nd Round Pick for Tony Allen & Gabe Pruitt

Posted: Sat Jul 4, 2009 5:58 pm
by evenrane
hello everyone. This is my first post on this forum.

There is no way I would trade Samy Young AND a pick for Tony Allen and Pruitt. I would not trade sam young alone for those 2 guys. When I heard that we picked up Sam Young with our third pick I was incredibly excited. Tehh guy is a good all around player who works his tail off and we got him for basically nothing.

I would like to be able to see what he is going to do for us this season before we trade him away for nothing.

Re: Sam Young & 2011 2nd Round Pick for Tony Allen & Gabe Pruitt

Posted: Sun Jul 5, 2009 6:57 am
by DeadAirDave
I have to agree with the rest of the Grizzlies fans here. Allen & Pruitt are nothing more then spare parts and easy to find/replace.

I do not want to see Greg Buckner backing up Rudy Gay again this year and beleive Sam Young will be able to step in and be a significant contributor. Only time will tell but Young could be one of the big steals of the draft (along with D.Blair).

No thanks.