Dikembe Mutombo Draft Playin - Laimbeer vs wackbone*

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Dikembe Mutombo Draft Playin - Laimbeer vs wackbone* 

Post#1 » by durantbird » Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:12 pm

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Post#2 » by wackbone » Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:05 pm

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Category 1 - DPOY - Giannis Antetokounmpo - 2020 - 19.7 FGA
Category 2 - 2 Teams in NBA Finals - Bill Walton - 1977 - 14.3 FGA
Category 3 - Nuggets - Mason Plumlee - 2020 - 4.7 FGA
Category 4 - Hawks - Kyle Korver - 2015 - 8.0 FGA - 49.2 3P% on 6.0 att
Category 5 - 76ers - Matisse Thybulle - 2023 - 3.6 FGA - 36.5 3P% on 2.1 att
Category 6 - Nets - Bruce Brown - 2022 - 7.0 FGA - 40.4 3P% on 1.3 att
Category 7 - Rockets - James Harden - 2015 - 18.1 FGA - 37.5 3P% on 6.9 att
Category 8 - Knicks - Donte DiVincenzo - 2024 - 12.4 FGA - 40.1 3P% on 8.7 att

Total FGA: 87.8/88 FGA

Rotation:

James Harden (40) / Donte DiVincenzo (8)
Donte DiVincenzo (26) / Matisse Thybulle (12) / Bruce Brown (10)
Kyle Korver (36) / Bruce Brown (12)
Giannis Antetokounmpo (40) / Mason Plumlee (8)
Bill Walton (40) / Mason Plumlee (8)

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Appreciate the unique roster construction, Laimbeer. Best of luck!

Defensively we will start with Walton on Wilt, Giannis on Embiid, Korver on KG, Harden on DFS, and Donte on Lowry.

Simply put, while Laimbeer has a creative roster, I just don't think it's feasible here. Harden+Donte+Korver will be bombing away from deep with Giannis+Walton putting in work down low. None of 08 KG, Embiid, nor 72 Wilt should be chasing around anyone on the perimeter. KG is the best of bad options but he'd be wasting his defensive talents. Korver on KG is obviously far from ideal but I don't think that sways the pendulum enough in Laimbeer's favor, especially when 3 of KG/Embiid/Wilt/Ewing are on the court the whole game, further taking away their individual impacts as there is significant overlap there.

FWIW - this is also 2012 Houston Lowry, which is clearly several steps behind his Toronto versions.
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Re: Dikembe Mutombo Draft Playin - Laimbeer vs wackbone 

Post#3 » by Laimbeer » Sun Oct 13, 2024 1:08 am

Wilt Chamberlain ( 1972 ) 7.9 - Two finals appearances (9.3 * .85)
Joel Embiid ( 2022 ) 19.6 - PHI
Kevin Garnett ( 2008 ) 13.9 - DPOY
Dorian Finney-Smith ( 2024 ) 7.5 - BRK
Kyle Lowry ( 2012 ) 10.9 - HOU

Patrick Ewing ( 1989 ) 16 - NYK
James Posey ( 2000 ) 6.6 - DEN
Aaron Holiday ( 2023 ) 3.5 - ATL

85.9

Wilt Chamberlain (38) / Patrick Ewing (10)
Joel Embiid (30) / Patrick Ewing (18)
Kevin Garnett (38) / Joel Embiid (10)
Dorian Finney-Smith (30) / James Posey (18)
Kyle Lowry (38) / Aaron Holiday (10)

Our interior offensive is going to be a problem with Korver completely over-matched against Garnett. Giannis isn't a great one on one defender and Embiid has a strength advantage, as does Wilt on Walton. With Ewing off the bench they'll be worn down physically. Their only big bench guy is Plumlee. Wilt will be facilitating along with solid playmaking from Lowry. All four guards provide space for the big guys to do their thing.

We have one of the game's best Giannis defenders in Embiid. Wilt is another solid cover with Walton. KG rests on Korver. Lowry on DiVincenzo and Dorian Finney-Smith on Harden. Wings with some size tend to be tougher on Harden.

Their bench is pretty limited and Ewing is the best player by an ocean.

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Post#4 » by JimmyPlopper » Sun Oct 13, 2024 1:16 am

This is a really creative take by Laimbeer, but with Embiid putting in a quarter of his minutes at small forward, Finney Smith at SG, and younger Lowry and an unimpressive Aaron Holiday at point, make it a bit more awkward. Joel is not quick enough to cover Giannis on the regular.
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Post#5 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Oct 13, 2024 1:23 am

Yeah I'm sorry, this just isn't a viable strategy Laimbeer is employing here. And even if it was, that backcourt rotation may be the worst I've ever seen in these games.

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Post#6 » by Snakebites » Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:31 am

I think even if he wanted to do the bully ball approach then the correct tactic would have been to take that whopping 16 FGA he spent on Ewing to shore up the perimeter rotation.

As is there's simply too much overlap among the players he spent roughly two thirds of his FGA on.

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Post#7 » by durantbird » Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:18 pm

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Post#8 » by Laimbeer » Sun Oct 13, 2024 1:27 pm

I'll agree the backcourt blows. Poor planning. And I don't hate the verdict. Wack has two "bigs" of his owm in more optimal roles.

But why the general comments about overlap and not being viable? How so? What match-ups am I losing? What's going down on both ends of the floor? Embiid is a great Giannis defender and fully capable of guarding wings, particularly the ones he's facing in this match-up. Does this team win any with a better (not great) backcourt? Genuinely curious.
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Post#9 » by durantbird » Sun Oct 13, 2024 1:34 pm

Laimbeer wrote:I'll agree the backcourt blows. Poor planning. And I don't hate the verdict. Wack has two "bigs" of his owm in more optimal roles.

But why the general comments about overlap and not being viable? How so? What match-ups am I losing? What's going down on both ends of the floor? Embiid is a great Giannis defender and fully capable of guarding wings, particularly the ones he's facing in this match-up. Does this team win any with a better (not great) backcourt? Genuinely curious.

I think the team had a nice potential with a backcourt star instead of Ewing off the bench. Jamal Murray for example, who costs the same. It would have make the team stronger by quite a lot.
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Post#10 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Oct 13, 2024 1:41 pm

Laimbeer wrote:I'll agree the backcourt blows. Poor planning. And I don't hate the verdict. Wack has two "bigs" of his owm in more optimal roles.

But why the general comments about overlap and not being viable? How so? What match-ups am I losing? What's going down on both ends of the floor? Embiid is a great Giannis defender and fully capable of guarding wings, particularly the ones he's facing in this match-up. Does this team win any with a better (not great) backcourt? Genuinely curious.

Well for starters, where is the evidence of the part in bold? Outside of the first couple of years of his career when he was slimmer and more athletic, Embiid has not struck me as especially mobile or active as a defender - he's just great at the "traditional" stuff (rim protection and defending the post) when he's locked in. I would actually buy it more if you put a young Duncan or Ewing there. As far as being a great Giannis defender, Giannis has routinely put up outrageous numbers against Philly, and to my recollection they normally resort to Embiid because they don't have a great alternative.

Beyond all of the above, starting Wilt/Embiid/KG is pretty much gifting transition points to Giannis (to say nothing of Korver and DDV as trailers). I can promise you Embiid isn't getting back to stop those.

Offensively, it's even more of a problem. It's one thing to say Embiid can shoot threes (he shoots them OK but he's not exactly KAT out there) or KG is great from midrange, but those skills provide a lot less value when you shift them a position down. And how much room are you giving them to play "bully ball" when the paint is completely cluttered?

I don't think this approach would work even with the right bigs, but to me these definitely aren't the right bigs (KG aside).

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