Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft R1 - parsnips33* vs DCasey91

[durantbird]

Here is a quick list of what you need in your writeup.

1. Specific years for each player on your team
2. Rotations and minutes for each player
3. Reasoning as to why your team will win and/or why people should vote for you.

Do not vote in this thread until both managers have submitted their writeups. Please ensure you give a rationale for your vote; votes with no explanation will not be counted.

If writeups aren't posted within 24 hours, we will vote solely based on the players they have drafted (and any rotations they have posted on their roster page).

We'll be using a AI vote when a matchup seems stuck. AI vote counts for a single vote.

**First to 3 votes advances**

[parsnips33]

20-21 Joel Embiid - 17.6 FGA
90-91 Clyde Drexler - 16.3 FGA
05-06 Rasheed Wallace - 13.3 FGA
02-03 Doug Christie - 7.0 FGA
09-10 Kyle Korver - 5.4 FGA
09-10 Deron Williams - 13.9 FGA
95-96 Toni Kukoc - 9.7 FGA
23-24 Keon Ellis - 4.1 FGA

Total: 87.3/88.0

Deron Williams (38) / Doug Christie (10)
Clyde Drexler (38) / Keon Ellis (10)
Doug Christie (26) / Kyle Korver (22)
Rasheed Wallace (22) / Toni Kukoc (26)
Joel Embiid (38) / Rasheed Wallace (10)

Writeup:

Good luck DC, should be a good matchup!

We start out with an extremely well balanced and well-fitting starting 5. Sheed proved himself as an elite secondary rim protector on the championship Pistons, and here he's next to a behemoth in Embiid who is an elite rim protector in his own right. Christie (all D 1st team in the selected season) and Clyde give us a duo of lengthy athletic wings who can play extra aggressive knowing they've got twin towers behind them. Offensively, Deron Williams runs the show as an elite PNR maestro with really strong secondary playmaking (Christie around 5apg, Drexler around 6) and possibly the most versatile 7-foot scorer in league history as his running mate. You saw what he could do with Carlos Boozer, now imagine him with Embiid. Sheed is an elite screensetter in his own right and can space the floor (>5 3 pt attempts per game in the chosen season) to allow our main duo to go to work. In fact, my entire front court can credibly spread the floor for 48 minutes a game - which is a huge deal when our second option is prime Clyde Drexler. He can cut, post-up, attack off the dribble - all in wide open space and without needing to dominate the ball. Kukoc and Korver are elite role players off the bench and fit in perfectly with an Embiid centered team. Keon Ellis is a dog on defense and is shooting over 42% from 3 for his career, over 45% after being named a starter in the selected season. You might not be familiar with him, but I unfortunately had to watch him give Steph hell in the play-in game last year, and I haven't forgotten.

In this matchup, we'll guard straight up. Love Christie on Reggie Miller, I think he'll be able to stick to him. Embiid and Sheed will both get time on AD, with the other helping liberally off of Rodman. Gonna play super physical with AD, who is their best player and does the bulk of his damage inside. I think the massive amount of size inside and the lack of a truly elite tablesetter on his side is going to make it very tough on AD and make it hard to match our offense, especially considering he'll be next to Eaton or Rodman pretty much the entire game. Kukoc is the best bench player by a significant margin I would think.

May the best team win!

[DCasey91]

Team Name: "Labeouf's Liasons"

Starters:
PG: K. Lowry 17 (15.3/22.4)
SG: V. Oladipo 18 (17.9/23.1)
SF: R. Miller 94 (13.2/19.9)
PF: D. Rodman 92 (7.7/9.8)
C: A. Davis 18 (19.5/28.1)

Bench:
B. Russell 94 (7.7/10.8)
M. Eaton 90 (3.7/4.8)
T. Sefolosha 19 (3/3.8)

FGA: 88/88

Raw Totals:
PPG - 122.7
FG% - 49.8%
FT% FTA - 80.2% (31.1)
3P% 3PA - 39.6% (25.6)
Rebounds - 56.4
Assists - 21.5
Steals - 10.3
Blocks - 7.8

Minutes, Rotations:
PG: Lowry 38 (mins), Oladipo 10
SG: Oladipo 28, Miller 20
SF: Miller 12, Russell 28, Sefolosha 4, Rodman 4
PF: Rodman 36, Davis 8, Sefolosha 4
C: Davis 30, Eaton 18

Full Stats:
Kyle Lowry (2017)
22.4/4.8/7/1.5/0.3
TS 62.3%, FG 46.4%, 3P 41.2%, FT 81.9%
FGA (7.1/15.3), 3PA (3.2/7.8), FTA (5/6.1)
AS

Oladipo (2018)
23.1/5.2/4.3/2.4/0.8
TS 57.7%, FG 47.7%, 3P 37.1%, FT 79.9%
FGA (8.53/17.9), 3PA (2.15/5.8), FTA (3.91/4.9)
All NBA 3rd, MIP, AS, Steals Leader

R. Miller (1994)
19.9/2.7/3.1/1.5/0.3
TS 63.6%, FG 50.3%, 3P 42.1%, FT 90.8%
FGA (6.62/13.2), 3PA (1.6/3.7), FTA (5.1/5.6)
50/40/90

D. Rodman (1992)
9.8/18.7/2.3/0.8/0.9
TS 57.4%, FG 53.9%, 3P 31.7%, FT 60%
FGA (4.2/7.7), 3PA (0.4/1.2) , FTA (1/1.7)
DPOY 2nd, All NBA 3rd, AS, Rebounds Leader

A. Davis (2018)
28.1/11.1/2.3/1.5/2.6
TS 61.2%, FG 53.4%, 3P 34%
FGA (10.4/19.5), 3PA (0.74/2.2), FTA (6.6/8)
MVP 3rd, DPOY 3rd, All NBA 1st, AS, Blocks Leader

Bench:
B. Russell (1997)
10.8/4.1/1.5/1.6/0.3
TS 60%, FG 47.9%, 3P 40.9%, FT 70.1%
FGA (3.68/7.7), 3PA, (1.35/3.3), FTA (2.1/3)

M. Eaton (1990)
4.8/7.3/0.5/0.4/2.5
TS 56.1%, FG 52.7%, FT 66.9%
FGA (1.9/3.7), FTA (1/1.4)
DPOY 5th

T. Sefolosha (2019)
3.8/2.5/0.5/0.9/0.1
TS 59.9%, FG 47.7%, 3P 43.6%, FT 63.6%
FGA (1.43/3), 3PA (0.7/1.6), FTA (0.3/0.45)

First off Good Luck Parsnips!

Now to the match, we'll play 3/2 out all day long, with high pnr 2 man games. Lowry + Dip and Miller with full Pacer sets like my post last brings in 17+ 3's and in all of the different capacities you can think off. C&S, off dribble, curl, screen, double screen, pull up etc. And Rodman + AD are the perfect pairing for that. Split Dip and Russ so Miller plays SG with Lowry/Dip as the PG and float Russ/Sef/Rodman at the 3rd spot.

Can run out crazy amounts of different setups offensively as defensively. Got a steals, blocks and rebounds leader.

One thing to note I love the big oaf Embiid but he does have stamina issues (watched like 95% of his games Sixers fan) and having a rotation of AD, Rodman on switch and Eaton size up for chop out I'm at an advantage here especially in a series spread. I know his first half vs second half play is a stark difference.

For defence can play man or switch, and will hard blitz him when he goes into iso mid package. His passing acumen is around Hakeem level but out of all the bigs he's the most jumpy/uncomfortable on the slow set elbow which will happen. blindside/fast blitz traps, especially outside his vision tree. Lowry/Oli can and will pick his pocket. Also not a great rebounder for his gigantic size despite numbers, does double grab

I disagree about the tablesetter thing not with Prime Lowry at the helm, pnr with Davis, hit shooters or cuts with Dipo.

I like my backcourt and frontcourt more on how it's utilised

All of Dipo/Russ/Sef and Rodman can switch or man across the court. Rodman is my defensive superstar going on Drex/Rash (AD can obviously go on him too) and help with Embiid (but like above the fast blitzes can come from any of my really smart defenders which I have by the bunch), Rodman eats up the boards all day count em 18+. Best rebounder ever pound for pound. Peak Rodman is crazy versatile defensively and a fine passer too boot with AD on the interior and switchable wings the defence is sound.

All in all my team has too much firepower offensively and defensively has a nightmarish component for Embiid and Co.

[Fadeaway_J]

Both AD and Embiid have their warts as first options, but both teams did a good job surrounding them with multiple creators and shooters to mitigate those weaknesses. However, I much prefer having Sheed/Kukoc at 4 to draw defenders away from Embiid, compared to Rodman and Eaton sharing the floor with AD. In the case of Rodman it does give you a boost in defensive versatility, but I just think Eaton's offensive ineptitude and lack of mobility are too damaging for him to be playing this many minutes.

Vote: parsnips33

[DCasey91]

Both AD and Embiid have their warts as first options, but both teams did a good job surrounding them with multiple creators and shooters to mitigate those weaknesses. However, I much prefer having Sheed/Kukoc at 4 to draw defenders away from Embiid, compared to Rodman and Eaton sharing the floor with AD. In the case of Rodman it does give you a boost in defensive versatility, but I just think Eaton's offensive ineptitude and lack of mobility are too damaging for him to be playing this many minutes.

Vote: parsnips33

Just quickly all 3 won't be sharing the floor, hence the thabo minutes

I stated 3/2 split all game

Eaton/Davis Davis/Rodman at 4/5 hence 3/2

If Rodman goes 3 thabo is 4 and switch like I said

Eaton played with Reggie (Any combo of Russ, Oli, Lowry, Miller which is obviously going to have great spacing).

I don't really understand it when Drex/Deron/Christie aren't spacers in that sense.

Lowry was popping 30+++ footers same with Oli and Miller lol

I dunno I've watched too much of Embiid when everything halts to a standstill and unless its Korver no one else on that team has that kind of spacing gravity that you're thinking of. You do know he played with Harris who outvolumed Sheed/Kukoc outside yet the spacing was still an issue and that's without Ben btw.

[Fadeaway_J]

Both AD and Embiid have their warts as first options, but both teams did a good job surrounding them with multiple creators and shooters to mitigate those weaknesses. However, I much prefer having Sheed/Kukoc at 4 to draw defenders away from Embiid, compared to Rodman and Eaton sharing the floor with AD. In the case of Rodman it does give you a boost in defensive versatility, but I just think Eaton's offensive ineptitude and lack of mobility are too damaging for him to be playing this many minutes.

Vote: parsnips33

Just quickly all 3 won't be sharing the floor, hence the thabo minutes

I stated 3/2 split all game

Eaton/Davis Davis/Rodman at 4/5 hence 3/2

If Rodman goes 3 thabo is 4 and switch like I said

Eaton played with Reggie (Any combo of Russ, Oli, Lowry, Miller which is obviously going to have great spacing).

I don't really understand it when Drex/Deron/Christie aren't spacers in that sense.

Lowry was popping 30+++ footers same with Oli and Miller lol

I dunno I've watched too much of Embiid when everything halts to a standstill and unless its Korver no one else on that team has that kind of spacing gravity that you're thinking of. You do know he played with Harris who outvolumed Sheed/Kukoc outside yet the spacing was still an issue and that's without Ben btw.

Yes I understand they won't all be on the floor together. What I meant was, I don't love either of them sharing the floor with AD.

I'm not saying your spacing is bad, in fact it's very good at the perimeter spots. My concern was that you have nobody to draw away the other big, which is who I'm most concerned about on a team running through the 5. More importantly, I just don't like Eaton as a guy playing 18 minutes a night regardless of who else is on the floor.

[wackbone]

I just fundamentally prefer Deron-Drexler-Sheed-Embiid over Lowry-Oladipo-Reggie-AD. Kukoc is also the most impactful bench piece.

Vote: parsnips

[Dr Positivity]

I agree the frontcourt is more cramped on Casey's team and that's too many minutes for rookie Russell, overall parsnips has the depth advantage. Otherwise pretty close. Vote parsnips.

[MadNESS]

Yeah I hate to keep voting against DC’s squads because they’re solid, I just like what Parsnips made more. Too much clunkyness with DC here, parsnips has the better spacing around Embiid. Keep up the good work boys!

Vote parsnips.

[durantbird]

Parsnips33 advances

[durantbird]

I agree the frontcourt is more cramped on Casey's team and that's too many minutes for rookie Russell, overall parsnips has the depth advantage. Otherwise pretty close. Vote parsnips.

It seems like he's using Russell 97' and accidentally wrote once 94'

[DCasey91]

Yeah my bad it was 97 Russ. GGs Parsnips

I just don't agree with the spacing stuff at all. Double bigs is fine with Miller/Oli/Lowry they all played with double bigs in their primes lol

I dunno personally I am abit salty when the other combo doesn't function like that. Korver 90% has one set which is the curl and that's like 1/10th of Miller's arsenal. Deron is a mix of pull up/iso/pnr
Drexler isn't a great shooter great slasher

I just don't believe the offense works as well as people may think it would.

I just don't get the clunky fit at all when my outside players are very used to it and actually ran a whole bunch of stuff when on court in fact it was more of a beneficial thing rather than a negative.

Embiid doesn't like rotation bigs + hard blitzes and I legitimately have very smart and capable defenders for it to track him down on his worst habits. There's a why he can put up 5-8 turnovers in a series spread in a game for this exact reason. He had 21 to's in the last 3 against the Hawks.

Anyways GGs ottno

[parsnips33]

GG DC, really liked your team