Drafted By The Same Franchise Draft - Discussion

[lilroddyb]

Seriously thought about drafting AD.

Such a good offball player and fits with almost everyone

[flaco]

The best Non-MVP is off the board!

You could argue he's not even the best non-MVP drafted by that franchise in terms of peak.

But one could.

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In the 2022 Peaks Project, they ranked #26 and #28, respectively.

In the current Peaks Project, CP3 ranked #13 for the 2001-2025 period; the others mentioned here, in Luka and Player X, have yet to be voted in.

Thinking Basketball also had CP3 at #13 for a similar/same project, Player X at #16, and Luka at #18.

Ultimately, they are all in the same tier of players for me (and, I hope, for most). Luka has some room to climb into that Top 10 realm, given his age.

The way I see it, Luka is hands down a better shot creator (scorer+facilitator). CP3 is 6'0'', hence he lacks the size to consistently create his own shot in the clutch. He's more of a floor general, let's say a scoring-oriented version of Stockton.

In games where we can draft multiple #1 options, CP3 is more valuable than Luka cause a) he's way cheaper and b) he's better suited as the #2 option (look no further than his Finals run with the Suns).

AD is more of a finisher rather than a creator. He's strictly a supporting star, especially for the purposes of our games.

Fwiw, Luka has led the Mavs to the NBA Finals (and still has plenty of years ahead of him). CP3 never made it past the 2nd round with the Clips/Hornets as the #1 option. AD only won 1 playoff series as the #1 option for the Pels.

[durantbird]

Ok

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[Snakebites]

Lr skipped? Would be good to avoid it if possible.

[Dr Positivity]

I'll give Larry a bit more time.

[durantbird]

On the other hand, I want to go to sleep soon, and waited to pick already lol. Worst case I'll leave lists like always though it's not the best draft to leave lists rather than pick yourself

[Snakebites]

You could argue he's not even the best non-MVP drafted by that franchise in terms of peak.

But one could.

100%

In the 2022 Peaks Project, they ranked #26 and #28, respectively.

In the current Peaks Project, CP3 ranked #13 for the 2001-2025 period; the others mentioned here, in Luka and Player X, have yet to be voted in.

Thinking Basketball also had CP3 at #13 for a similar/same project, Player X at #16, and Luka at #18.

Ultimately, they are all in the same tier of players for me (and, I hope, for most). Luka has some room to climb into that Top 10 realm, given his age.

The way I see it, Luka is hands down a better shot creator (scorer+facilitator). CP3 is 6'0'', hence he lacks the size to consistently create his own shot in the clutch. He's more of a floor general, let's say a scoring-oriented version of Stockton.

In games where we can draft multiple #1 options, CP3 is more valuable than Luka cause a) he's way cheaper and b) he's better suited as the #2 option (look no further than his Finals run with the Suns).

AD is more of a finisher rather than a creator. He's strictly a supporting star, especially for the purposes of our games.

Fwiw, Luka has led the Mavs to the NBA Finals (and still has plenty of years ahead of him). CP3 never made it past the 2nd round with the Clips/Hornets as the #1 option. AD only won 1 playoff series as the #1 option for the Pels.

I’d argue that in a game where he’s guaranteed to be the second best player that AD’s off ball play is extremely valuable.

I'd further argue that other than in relatively shallow pools, he's generally the second best player on a given team in these games, unless he's paired with a comparable player like Luka or CP3.

Comparing him to Luka as a primary option isn't fair, as it not only ignores that off ball value but also ignores defensive impact.

[durantbird]

Fade has my options

[Larry_Russell]

I'll give Larry a bit more time.

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[Dr Positivity]

In

Don't think you were quoted

Durantbird is up

[Larry_Russell]

I really waffled there.

I wanted to go a different route and create the most savage offense...but I didnt like how much I would have hampered my choice for center.

[ReggiesKnicks]

You could argue he's not even the best non-MVP drafted by that franchise in terms of peak.

But one could.

100%

In the 2022 Peaks Project, they ranked #26 and #28, respectively.

In the current Peaks Project, CP3 ranked #13 for the 2001-2025 period; the others mentioned here, in Luka and Player X, have yet to be voted in.

Thinking Basketball also had CP3 at #13 for a similar/same project, Player X at #16, and Luka at #18.

Ultimately, they are all in the same tier of players for me (and, I hope, for most). Luka has some room to climb into that Top 10 realm, given his age.

The way I see it, Luka is hands down a better shot creator (scorer+facilitator). CP3 is 6'0'', hence he lacks the size to consistently create his own shot in the clutch. He's more of a floor general, let's say a scoring-oriented version of Stockton.

In games where we can draft multiple #1 options, CP3 is more valuable than Luka cause a) he's way cheaper and b) he's better suited as the #2 option (look no further than his Finals run with the Suns).

AD is more of a finisher rather than a creator. He's strictly a supporting star, especially for the purposes of our games.

Fwiw, Luka has led the Mavs to the NBA Finals (and still has plenty of years ahead of him). CP3 never made it past the 2nd round with the Clips/Hornets as the #1 option. AD only won 1 playoff series as the #1 option for the Pels.

And yet Chris Paul has led better regular season offenses by a significant margin, has much stronger impact signals and has led better post-season offenses, all while being better defensively.

I think there is a reason CP3 is viewed as a higher peak through multiple vetted sources, because he was simply better up to this point compared to Luka who is still in the first third of his career.

Like I said, Luka's ceiling and attainable level of play could definitely exceed CP3.

[Dr Positivity]

I basically traded the difference between Vince and whatever 1st team guy I could have got for more round capital, not sure if it’ll pay off in 1960-2025 draft but we’ll see.

[JimmyPlopper]

You could argue he's not even the best non-MVP drafted by that franchise in terms of peak.

But one could.

100%

In the 2022 Peaks Project, they ranked #26 and #28, respectively.

In the current Peaks Project, CP3 ranked #13 for the 2001-2025 period; the others mentioned here, in Luka and Player X, have yet to be voted in.

Thinking Basketball also had CP3 at #13 for a similar/same project, Player X at #16, and Luka at #18.

Ultimately, they are all in the same tier of players for me (and, I hope, for most). Luka has some room to climb into that Top 10 realm, given his age.

The way I see it, Luka is hands down a better shot creator (scorer+facilitator). CP3 is 6'0'', hence he lacks the size to consistently create his own shot in the clutch. He's more of a floor general, let's say a scoring-oriented version of Stockton.

In games where we can draft multiple #1 options, CP3 is more valuable than Luka cause a) he's way cheaper and b) he's better suited as the #2 option (look no further than his Finals run with the Suns).

AD is more of a finisher rather than a creator. He's strictly a supporting star, especially for the purposes of our games.

Fwiw, Luka has led the Mavs to the NBA Finals (and still has plenty of years ahead of him). CP3 never made it past the 2nd round with the Clips/Hornets as the #1 option. AD only won 1 playoff series as the #1 option for the Pels.

Your turn

[ReggiesKnicks]

In.

I think limiting it to 3 players per pick and allowing a 4th round, along with splititng category 3, should help nerf the top picks that are kinda running the previous draft.

The ability to revisit franchises also makes a big difference.

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[durantbird]

Going Jones Cooper McDaniels in second round is an atypical move for me. Usually I secure my top end talent earlier. But I thought that given the limitations of the draft, this should be a justifiable move. And so many of the legitimate 3&d players are actually undrafted players. So securing three of those, one of them actually a legit offensive option and the other also a distributor, is valuable.

[Larry_Russell]

Going Jones Cooper McDaniels in second round is an atypical move for me. Usually I secure my top end talent earlier. But I thought that given the limitations of the draft, this should be a justifiable move. And so many of the legitimate 3&d players are actually undrafted players. So securing three of those, one of them actually a legit offensive option and the other also a distributor, is valuable.

Its a tough draft to gauge, seems like a smart move on your part.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I misread and thought it was only 3 rounds, which made me question some of the picks in the first 2 rounds.

I definitely wouldn't have picked KD/Pippen had I read the instructions clearly. Oops.

[Larry_Russell]

I misread and thought it was only 3 rounds, which made me question some of the picks in the first 2 rounds.

I definitely wouldn't have picked KD/Pippen had I read the instructions clearly. Oops.

I see nothing wrong with the KD/Pippen pick personally.

[JimmyPlopper]

Thought I'd buck the trend. There were a couple of other Cavs kinda draft worthy in their slots but I think there will be better players down the road in those roles with the limitations.

I initially had LeBron, Green, and another Cav lined up, but with so many picks before my next one I decided to secure as much talent as possible.

Your turn