FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025
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Flaco mentioned this recently- but I think the type of game we're doing now would be interesting, but with states/countries of birth rather than NBA teams.
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Snakebites wrote:Flaco mentioned this recently- but I think the type of game we're doing now would be interesting, but with states/countries of birth rather than NBA teams.
Only drawback would be the same team limits can feel repetitive
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durantbird wrote:Snakebites wrote:Flaco mentioned this recently- but I think the type of game we're doing now would be interesting, but with states/countries of birth rather than NBA teams.
Only drawback would be the same team limits can feel repetitive
Those were crafted to nerf specific teams. They can be changed depending on how the countries/states look. Some protection needs to be in place to keep Jordan/Kareem from bringing picked together though.
I do broadly like that these restrictions keep teams from getting too insane though. To me a very deep pool only really works with restrictions of some kind on team composition.
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Snakebites wrote:durantbird wrote:Snakebites wrote:Flaco mentioned this recently- but I think the type of game we're doing now would be interesting, but with states/countries of birth rather than NBA teams.
Only drawback would be the same team limits can feel repetitive
Those were crafted to nerf specific teams. They can be changed depending on how the countries/states look. Some protection needs to be in place to keep Jordan/Kareem from bringing picked together though.
I do broadly like that these restrictions keep teams from getting too insane though. To me a very deep pool only really works with restrictions of some kind on team composition.
Yeah I get that. The nature of the pool you're picking differs a lot here. But there are certain strategies that would feel the same. Like, targeting Luka / Paul / Davis / Allen / Reggie / Butler / etc (even though some of those names did drop a lot in the last game) as high picks. Don't know if we can fix that somehow, but I'm game anyhow
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How about a game similar to the current one? About where a player was originally drafted. The difference would be a franchise could only be used once. We could dig up a few defunct franchises if necessary. Part of the strategy would be stocking your team earlier since franchises would dry up
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Laimbeer wrote:How about a game similar to the current one? About where a player was originally drafted. The difference would be a franchise could only be used once. We could dig up a few defunct franchises if necessary. Part of the strategy would be stocking your team earlier since franchises would dry up
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We already did that last week.
The current game is a riff on that concept.
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durantbird wrote:Snakebites wrote:durantbird wrote:Only drawback would be the same team limits can feel repetitive
Those were crafted to nerf specific teams. They can be changed depending on how the countries/states look. Some protection needs to be in place to keep Jordan/Kareem from bringing picked together though.
I do broadly like that these restrictions keep teams from getting too insane though. To me a very deep pool only really works with restrictions of some kind on team composition.
Yeah I get that. The nature of the pool you're picking differs a lot here. But there are certain strategies that would feel the same. Like, targeting Luka / Paul / Davis / Allen / Reggie / Butler / etc (even though some of those names did drop a lot in the last game) as high picks. Don't know if we can fix that somehow, but I'm game anyhow
Maybe the move there is to restrict what can go into individual picks rather than using categories to restrict teams as a whole.
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I suggest as the next draft - "Each from a Different Draft"
2009 draft to 2020 draft, each pick should have been selected (or undrafted) in a different draft. So basically you need representatives from 8 out of 12 drafts.
2009 draft to 2020 draft, each pick should have been selected (or undrafted) in a different draft. So basically you need representatives from 8 out of 12 drafts.
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durantbird wrote:I suggest as the next draft - "Each from a Different Draft"
2009 draft to 2020 draft, each pick should have been selected (or undrafted) in a different draft. So basically you need representatives from 8 out of 12 drafts.
If we ditch the "same country/state" idea, I'd really like to run this. A little different strategy than usual.
Or a redux of one my favorite concepts to play (last time was a few years ago) - Same Name Pairs (you can draft Patrick Beverley and Patrick Ewing together, or LeBron James and James Jones).
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025
durantbird wrote:durantbird wrote:I suggest as the next draft - "Each from a Different Draft"
2009 draft to 2020 draft, each pick should have been selected (or undrafted) in a different draft. So basically you need representatives from 8 out of 12 drafts.
If we ditch the "same country/state" idea, I'd really like to run this. A little different strategy than usual.
Or a redux of one my favorite concepts to play (last time was a few years ago) - Same Name Pairs (you can draft Patrick Beverley and Patrick Ewing together, or LeBron James and James Jones).
Is there enough depth for the consecutive draft idea? Could be interesting if so.
The Los Angeles draft could work if we want something simple and straightforward.
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Have we ever replaced the FGA cap with a different type of cap? For instance, we could use accolades to determine each player's cost. Let's say each one of the following accolades costs a fixed number of point(s) and we are allowed to accumulate up to "x" points.
Highest accolade determines cost. For instance, Embiid costs 8 points even if you use a non-MVP season. Likewise, Paul George costs 6 points even if you use a non-1st team season, etc.
- MVP
: 8 points - All-NBA 1st + Finals MVP
: 7 points - All-NBA 1st
: 6 points - All-NBA 2nd
: 5 points - All-NBA 3rd
: 4 points - All-Star
: 3 points - All-Defensive 1st
: 2 points - All-Defensive 2nd
: 1 point - no accolades: 0 points
- NBA champion
: +2 points if ever won a championship
Highest accolade determines cost. For instance, Embiid costs 8 points even if you use a non-MVP season. Likewise, Paul George costs 6 points even if you use a non-1st team season, etc.
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Fadeaway_J wrote:durantbird wrote:durantbird wrote:I suggest as the next draft - "Each from a Different Draft"
2009 draft to 2020 draft, each pick should have been selected (or undrafted) in a different draft. So basically you need representatives from 8 out of 12 drafts.
If we ditch the "same country/state" idea, I'd really like to run this. A little different strategy than usual.
Or a redux of one my favorite concepts to play (last time was a few years ago) - Same Name Pairs (you can draft Patrick Beverley and Patrick Ewing together, or LeBron James and James Jones).
Is there enough depth for the consecutive draft idea? Could be interesting if so.
The Los Angeles draft could work if we want something simple and straightforward.
I think so. The guys from the discuss drafts include Jokic Giannis Kawhi Steph Luka SGA Davis Tatum Butler JJJ Haliburton Booker Brown Klay George Edwards Harden Embiid Brunson Holiday Siakam Draymond Lillard Towns Hayward Mitchell Garland Porzingis Maxey Oladipo etc.
Somewhat similar pool to the pool of active players, minus some guys and with the addition of few others
We may need to set a limit like 8/9 but to begin with we usually have a low number of participants lately
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durantbird wrote:Fadeaway_J wrote:durantbird wrote:If we ditch the "same country/state" idea, I'd really like to run this. A little different strategy than usual.
Or a redux of one my favorite concepts to play (last time was a few years ago) - Same Name Pairs (you can draft Patrick Beverley and Patrick Ewing together, or LeBron James and James Jones).
Is there enough depth for the consecutive draft idea? Could be interesting if so.
The Los Angeles draft could work if we want something simple and straightforward.
I think so. The guys from the discuss drafts include Jokic Giannis Kawhi Steph Luka SGA Davis Tatum Butler JJJ Haliburton Booker Brown Klay George Edwards Harden Embiid Brunson Holiday Siakam Draymond Lillard Towns Hayward Mitchell Garland Porzingis Maxey Oladipo etc.
Somewhat similar pool to the pool of active players, minus some guys and with the addition of few others
We may need to set a limit like 8/9 but to begin with we usually have a low number of participants lately
Was more thinking about filling out rosters, the star power should be OK.
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I'll be honest- the countries and states one was the one I wanted to do.
Now that it's belly-up, I'm not sure I'm interested in any of these other ideas.
Now that it's belly-up, I'm not sure I'm interested in any of these other ideas.
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flaco wrote:Have we ever replaced the FGA cap with a different type of cap? For instance, we could use accolades to determine each player's cost. Let's say each one of the following accolades costs a fixed number of point(s) and we are allowed to accumulate up to "x" points.
- MVP
: 8 points
- All-NBA 1st + Finals MVP
: 7 points
- All-NBA 1st
: 6 points
- All-NBA 2nd
: 5 points
- All-NBA 3rd
: 4 points
- All-Star
: 3 points
- All-Defensive 1st
: 2 points
- All-Defensive 2nd
: 1 point
- no accolades: 0 points
- NBA champion
: +2 points if ever won a championship
Highest accolade determines cost. For instance, Embiid costs 8 points even if you use a non-MVP season. Likewise, Paul George costs 6 points even if you use a non-1st team season, etc.
I like it.
I do think using accolades as a component of the restriction does have the unintended side effect of nerfing specific players values. Players like Steve Nash and Marc Gasol are rendered practically undraftable by these twists, while players like Luka, CP3, and Reggie Miller (who never QUITE got to that next level of accolade) see their values inflated.
This might be a middle ground, since it doesn't impact their value THAT much. Luka and CP3 are bargains at 6 points while Steven Nash (a comparable player generally considered on the same level) would cost 8 points.
What kind of point cap do you envision for something like this?
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