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Post#61 » by bringbackhoffa » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:07 pm

those animations were just a joke

ur explaination was good, but i do kindly disagree that having 2 league MVP's as well as the last 2 NBA finals MVP's would be elimminated in the first round even if they were some chemistry problems.
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Post#62 » by BlackIce » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:21 pm

Told you it wouldn't be easy hoffy. 1-0
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Post#63 » by Teddy KGB » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:42 pm

CellarDoor wrote:That only implies you're playing a zone, not that they're coming down on howard when he touches the ball.


Hey, who's complaining? Not me, you had me winning :D
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Post#64 » by CellarDoor » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:44 pm

You asked a question, I answered it. Don't look at me, lol.
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Post#65 » by Teddy KGB » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:37 pm

yeah I know. Thankfully though, if I go through I won't have to deal with such a dominant player at C again.
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Post#66 » by CellarDoor » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:40 pm

Teddy KGB wrote:yeah I know. Thankfully though, if I go through I won't have to deal with such a dominant player at C again.


See, i'm of the mind he's defensively dominant but what, while dangerous, he's not someone who's going to beat you by himself in the 4th or over an entire game. I'm not sure there's a bigman left in the league who could to be honest. Perhaps Yao with his FT shooting being high, or AlJeff...Duncan's getting borderline.
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Post#67 » by deNIEd » Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:58 pm

CellarDoor wrote:Denied Positives: C defense. Dwight and Emeka are arguably the two best defenders at that position. Weakside defense. Between Dwight, Birdman, Crash, and SMoove, beating your man against this team isn't going to mean much.
Denied Negatives: man defense everywhere but C. Crash and Smoove are good help defenders, but neither are impressive on-ball. Kidd has definitely lost a step and is guarding the lightning quick Parker, and VC is very average. No minutes rotation: I have no idea how many minutes anyone are playing on your team. Back-up PF position. Smoove isn't a conventional PF which is fine, but what are you going to do when he's benched? your floor spacing is going to suffer greatly when you've got two big men who operate within 10 ft of the basket.

In the end in this series it comes down to Dwight's dominance and KGB's ability to slow him down and Denied's ability to slow down Melo and Parker (HM to Garnett). I think it's pretty well established that swarming and fouling Dwight is the only defense KGB can really play here, but it IS effective. Meanwhile I've yet to see someone come up with a way to slow down Parker over a series recently and I'm not convinced that Crash is going to be able to keep up with Melo man-on.


Minutes - Well my team has the depth to go 12 men deep, so minute wise it all depends on who is playing well and what the situation in. At times, Terry, Carter, Peja, Finley, Miller, Dwight will get a lot of minutes, simply because they will bombard KGB's ass w/ 3's. At other times, Kidd/Carter/Wallace/Okafor/Dwight will be playing to slow down and defend KGB's ass.

Parker - 53% of Parker's shots are layups. He has never performed well against Dwight. Add in Okafor, Smoove, and Birdman and Parker will be mediocre on offense. A 6 ft 180 lb player that primarly drives to the basket, won't be able to do much against the 4 best shot blockers in the game.

Again, depending on how everyone is playing, Carter will be seeing many minutes on Melo. In this matchup, Carter has won pretty much every single time in his career, and he'll win again.
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Post#68 » by CellarDoor » Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:24 pm

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CellarDoor wrote:Denied Positives: C defense. Dwight and Emeka are arguably the two best defenders at that position. Weakside defense. Between Dwight, Birdman, Crash, and SMoove, beating your man against this team isn't going to mean much.
Denied Negatives: man defense everywhere but C. Crash and Smoove are good help defenders, but neither are impressive on-ball. Kidd has definitely lost a step and is guarding the lightning quick Parker, and VC is very average. No minutes rotation: I have no idea how many minutes anyone are playing on your team. Back-up PF position. Smoove isn't a conventional PF which is fine, but what are you going to do when he's benched? your floor spacing is going to suffer greatly when you've got two big men who operate within 10 ft of the basket.

In the end in this series it comes down to Dwight's dominance and KGB's ability to slow him down and Denied's ability to slow down Melo and Parker (HM to Garnett). I think it's pretty well established that swarming and fouling Dwight is the only defense KGB can really play here, but it IS effective. Meanwhile I've yet to see someone come up with a way to slow down Parker over a series recently and I'm not convinced that Crash is going to be able to keep up with Melo man-on.


Minutes - Well my team has the depth to go 12 men deep, so minute wise it all depends on who is playing well and what the situation in. At times, Terry, Carter, Peja, Finley, Miller, Dwight will get a lot of minutes, simply because they will bombard KGB's ass w/ 3's. At other times, Kidd/Carter/Wallace/Okafor/Dwight will be playing to slow down and defend KGB's ass.

Parker - 53% of Parker's shots are layups. He has never performed well against Dwight. Add in Okafor, Smoove, and Birdman and Parker will be mediocre on offense. A 6 ft 180 lb player that primarly drives to the basket, won't be able to do much against the 4 best shot blockers in the game.

Again, depending on how everyone is playing, Carter will be seeing many minutes on Melo. In this matchup, Carter has won pretty much every single time in his career, and he'll win again.

do you have anything that shows who was guarding melo in their previous match-ups? Cause i'm betting RJeff was on him, not Vince. And Parker takes 53% of his shots in the paint against everyone, he doesn't really seem too easy to stop to me.
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Post#69 » by Teddy KGB » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:14 am

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Minutes - Well my team has the depth to go 12 men deep, so minute wise it all depends on who is playing well and what the situation in. At times, Terry, Carter, Peja, Finley, Miller, Dwight will get a lot of minutes, simply because they will bombard KGB's ass w/ 3's. At other times, Kidd/Carter/Wallace/Okafor/Dwight will be playing to slow down and defend KGB's ass.

Your 3 point shooting line up would have historically bad defense even with Dwight on. Your slow down lineup can't shoot for ****. Neither would work in the slightest against my team.

Parker - 53% of Parker's shots are layups. He has never performed well against Dwight. Add in Okafor, Smoove, and Birdman and Parker will be mediocre on offense. A 6 ft 180 lb player that primarly drives to the basket, won't be able to do much against the 4 best shot blockers in the game.

What do you mean Parker has never performed well against Dwight? I wasn't aware that Dwight was marking Tony Parker? On top of that, Parker has done quite alright against Orlando. As for your shotblockers, as I said the strategy is for the big men to clear the paint for Parker so either Parker won't be overly contested on lay-ups or you're leaving really good jumpshooters like Bogut/Murphy/Garnett go unmarked from mid range.

Again, depending on how everyone is playing, Carter will be seeing many minutes on Melo. In this matchup, Carter has won pretty much every single time in his career, and he'll win again.


Vince Carter NEVER defends Carmelo Anthony. He's just simply not strong enough to deal with Melo if Melo takes him on the block. Defense on Melo has always been undertaken by Jefferson. Your argument regarding winning is assuming ceteris paribus which is certainly not the case here as my team is far superior.
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Post#70 » by VintaGe36 » Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:39 pm

CellarDoor wrote:Brackets:
1. Bness vs. 12. MK

6. Poopdamoop vs. 7. Blazer


2. Hoffa vs. 11. BlackIce

I'm going with the better fitting team as opposed to the more "talented" team.

5.DCash vs. 8. SS


3. Denied vs. 10. KGB

Again, KGB's team just seems to gel better. Denied, collecting all the best shotblockers and weakside defenders is NOT the way to build the best defense.

4. Mascot vs. 9. Bryant

Mascot's lack of a sturdy frontcourt makes me go with Bryant here.



Dcash/SS, I'm STILL Debating on. Will get that decided soon.
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Post#71 » by Gremz » Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:23 pm

5.DCash vs. 8. SS

Since it's the only one left open for voting. I'll explain later, once I get 5 minutes away from work....
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Post#72 » by bringbackhoffa » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:15 am

wow, Kobe out in the first round, i must have had a bad team.
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Post#73 » by BlackIce » Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:56 pm

Nah you built a great team mine was just a bit better. You built a top 3 team IMO hoffa, a tough, tough series. Pleasure facing you, and good luck in future games. On to the next round.
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Post#74 » by -MK- » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:15 pm

CellarDoor wrote:Please post all write-ups here. Write-ups are due by Tuesday at 12pm CST. There will be a three day judging period to follow.

It's been 4 days now...

Come on, CellarDoor or VintaGe36, need one more vote for Dcash/SS !!!
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Post#75 » by Teddy KGB » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:25 pm

zomg vintage voted for me! It must be the end of the world!

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Post#76 » by dockingsched » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:09 pm

i hope this isn't taken the wrong way like i'm trying to take ss' glory, but he got the vote, he deserves the win.

i'm going to be doing some traveling, so it wouldn't be fair to stick with this anyway.
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Post#77 » by BlackIce » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:26 pm

So round 2 is me and SS then? Nice, Williams vs. Paul!
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Post#78 » by poopdamoop » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:26 pm

We really should try to speed this up a bit though...

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