2011 GM A TEAM - Free Agency

[Big_Mac79]

I sent Roc an offer too this morning

[Snakebites]

After being waived earlier in the day by Houston, Hedo Turkoglu has agreed to a 3 year deal worth about $18.8M with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Hedo is excited to play on a contender and will be seeing plenty of minutes backing us up at the 2/3/4 spots.

Year 1: $5,800,000
Year 2: $6,264,000 (PO)
Year 3: $6,728,000

And we're not done there

The Cavs have also come to terms with Drew Gooden, who was also waived earlier in the day. He has agreed to sign a 3 year deal with the Cavs.

Year 1: $1,800,000
Year 2: $1,944,000 (PO)
Year 3: $2,088,000

We're really excited to bring Drew back to Cleveland and improve our big man depth up front. We now have a solid second unit and striking out in FA actually paid off in the end

Me, Roc, and Sambone has all confirmed and our now on the same page. You used your space to absorb some of Granger's salary in that particular trade. By doing so you waived you MLE and BAE, as well as your TPE's (which you already knew about). Roc was unaware of this. Sorry for any confusion. Thanks. Signings not allowed.

This is not reflective of the true collective bargaining agreement.

Elligability for an MLE in the free agency period sets in at the start of free agency THAT summer. In other words, if a team has less than the MLE worth of cap space the moment free agents are able to sign, they get the MLE during that offseason. A draft day trade that reduces a teams' cap space does NOT prevent them from using the MLE. Bryant's original signing should stand.

[Karmaloop]

This is not reflective of the true collective bargaining agreement.

Elligability for an MLE in the free agency period sets in at the start of free agency THAT summer. In other words, if a team has less than the MLE worth of cap space the moment free agents are able to sign, they get the MLE during that offseason. A draft day trade that reduces a teams' cap space does NOT prevent them from using the MLE. Bryant's original signing should stand.

I'm pretty sure that you either have to renounce your cap holds and then you gain cap space, OR you keep your cap hold and get to keep the MLE, LLE, etc. You can't hold some of your cap holds, absorb a contract or two, and then claim you're back over the cap by the cap holds to use the MLE. It's one or the other, either keep the cap holds from the players that expired and have the MLE, or renounce your rights to the players and get cap space.

[Snakebites]

^If the trade in question was made during the FA period you would be correct, but since it was made during the draft, I don't believe this to be the case.

If you get either the exceptions or your cap space, whichever is higher, at the start of the free agency period. The trade in question was made well before free agency, and Bryant was never under the cap at any point during that FA period.

[lukekarts]

It doesn't matter where Turkoglu ends up, we all know he's only good in Orlando

[bryant08]

After acquiring Granger (waiving all my TPEs in the process) which occurred during the draft, with the cap holds of all my FAs, I was under the cap by about $2M. As Snakebites mentioned, at the point where FAs can start signing, that is when it is determined whether a team can use the MLE/BAE and THAT is when if they have cap space they technically waive the MLE/BAE. In this scenario, with those exceptions I am over the cap and am entitled to use them.

[BlackIce]

This is not reflective of the true collective bargaining agreement.

Elligability for an MLE in the free agency period sets in at the start of free agency THAT summer. In other words, if a team has less than the MLE worth of cap space the moment free agents are able to sign, they get the MLE during that offseason. A draft day trade that reduces a teams' cap space does NOT prevent them from using the MLE. Bryant's original signing should stand.

+1

[bryant08]

Posted on the CBA Forum for clarification:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1088007

[roc]

Since my name was added to the post when I didn't know the Granger trade details/timing I am going to make a ruling on this and overturn the overturning.

From what I now know of the timing it happened before FA started hence before the July moratorium so...

The signings count.

As for the rest of the unsigned FAs... sorry but no more will sign since the game deadline was last night and nobody had made a fair offer before that time came.

[MadNESS]

Since my name was added to the post when I didn't know the Granger trade details/timing I am going to make a ruling on this and overturn the overturning.

From what I now know of the timing it happened before FA started hence before the July moratorium so...

The signings count.

As for the rest of the unsigned FAs... sorry but no more will sign since the game deadline was last night and nobody had made a fair offer before that time came.

Good, at least we got to the bottom of this. Sorry again for the inconveinence. Im glad there are ALOT more rule guys then i thought. Thanks everyone again for the help.

[SamBone]

learn something new every day. Has anyone found where this is worded in the CBA?

[SamBone]

First off, this game is over, cleveland got the guys that roc allowed him to sign, I am not saying this to overturn any rulings!

Yes, the MLE does not count against your cap untill FA starts as has been stated, but no were in the CBA does it state that you can use cap 2012 cap space to get players pre FA then use MLE to go above cap. Actually the only thing I found in CBA was

There is logic behind this. The whole idea behind an "exception" is that it is an exception to the rule which says a team has to be below the salary cap. In other words, an exception is a mechanism which allows a team to function above the cap. If a team isn't over the cap, then the concept of an exception is moot. Therefore, if a team's team salary ever drops this far, its exceptions go away. The effect is that a team may have either exceptions or cap room, but they can't have both.

The reason that what was allowed in this game (Clev using cap to take on Granger on draft day, then once he was at the cap using MLE in FA) is not alowwed, is because in NBA, draft day trades can not be announced "officially" untill July when FA starts, because that is when the new season technically starts (after the "July moratorium") which is when draft trades become officaila and teams need to count exemptions as cap holds

again, what done is done, but getting clarification on this is needed for future games

[bryant08]

^Where did you find this information regarding draft day trades becoming official once FA starts?

[SamBone]

simply from always watching the draft and hearing the announcers talk about the trades that happen.

I could not find anything written (did not look that well) but found this quote in an article in the Washington Post when they traded for Hinrich the night before the draft

Because this trade can't be completed until Washington officially has the cap room to take on Hinrich's contract, it won't go through until July 8.