Next GM A Team - RULES discussion

[TMACFORMVP]

I liked/agreed with pretty much everything Karmaloop presented, but my only concern is the idea to enforce a seven day rule to trade FA's. I think we saw what happened with the last game when that was enforced, many people lost interest because they had agreed upon deals to be posted after those seven days, and couldn't do much else because those trades hadn't been posted yet. I think, if we were to eventually end up being able to trade FA's, then that should happen immediately because I don't think GM's, including myself truly take that into mind when offering a contract.

The other alternative is to outright ban trading FA's. Both are a bit extreme, but the latter idea (of not being allowed to trade them) would be an idea I'd support - perhaps only allow trading for players that signed for the BAE or less. That way we can use them as salary fillers and such if needed for a larger trade, but anyone signed for over the BAE cannot be traded. Then that might truly make GM's think twice about what they're offering since they'd be stuck with them till the end of the game.

I'm not completely sure what would solve the problem, but I'd think it'd have to be one or the other; either allow trading of FA's once signed, or outright ban it except for minimum/BAE contracts, which would be the better choice IMO.

[Karmaloop]

I dont mind long games, but when we did last game, we ended up cutting the time because it slows down after a certain time.

Yeah, probably got ahead of myself there. A five week game seems like a bit better time frame. A week of trading, a week of draft/free agency, and then three weeks of trades.

[Karmaloop]

Also, I've changed my mind I want to play again. Unless someone has an issue with that. Playing with the Bobcats was pretty interesting.

[Karmaloop]

Devilance has stepped up to be one of my assistants, if there is someone else who'd like to help that'd be greatly appreciated.

Here is my revised schedule, this time on a five week game:

Sunday, June 12th - Sign Ups Open
Thursday, June 16th - Sign Ups Closed (Pending Full Sign Ups)
Friday, June 17th - Team Announcements
Friday, June 17th - Rosters Posted
Saturday, June 19th - Trades May Begin
Sunday, June 26th - Trades End
Monday , June 27th - Rosters Updated
Wednesday, June 29th - Rankings Due
Thursday, June 30th - Free Agency & Draft Start
Thursday, June 30th - Trades Resume
Thursday, July 21st - Trades End
Saturday, July 23rd - Rosters Must Be Updated
Monday, July 25th - Rankings Due
Tuesday, July 26th - Winners Declared

Anything you guys see wrong with that tentative schedule?

[moss_is_1]

I don't think I'll be able to play this next game, I've got some stuff going on that we make me less active then I would want to be, but Karmaloop's idea of having set agents for players is a neat idea. I would be alright with being someone's agent, if that idea were to be used.

Last game we saw fair contracts given out for the most part, even some that you would question if they'd even take the deal(Marc Gasol signing for the MLE). At least we were in a step in the right direction and didn't have outrageous contracts.

[lukekarts]

Just a suggestion for the next game, ref timescale, I liked the initial timeslot where in-game Free Agency started on the 13th (CBA allowing, this would be 5 days after real life). Whilst it may mean delaying the game start by a week or so, I think this would give us a steer on where many FA's end up and how much money they accept.

Of course, breakdown in CBA negotiations could mean FA doesn't start then

Trading FA's, I agree 7 days was too long, I would actually be in favour of imposing a rule where MLE+ signings cannot be traded, but I'm not sure what others would think. Either way it's a minor detail and not really an issue.

[Karmaloop]

Just a suggestion for the next game, ref timescale, I liked the initial timeslot where in-game Free Agency started on the 13th (CBA allowing, this would be 5 days after real life). Whilst it may mean delaying the game start by a week or so, I think this would give us a steer on where many FA's end up and how much money they accept.

Of course, breakdown in CBA negotiations could mean FA doesn't start then

Consider me pessimistic, but given that issues with the NFL Labor negotiations, I don't see things going smoothly. I think there will be a lockout, but not nearly as significant as the NFL one.

[lukekarts]

I don't think you're a pessimist, you're a realist, and I'm an optimist!

[Devilanche]

Trading FA's, I agree 7 days was too long, I would actually be in favour of imposing a rule where MLE+ signings cannot be traded, but I'm not sure what others would think. Either way it's a minor detail and not really an issue.

I think this make the most sense, i believe high value is mostly limited to the tier 1 and 2 RFA/UFA. but since this in effect a trading game, i rather we adapt abit, whereby below MLE can be traded after signed while MLE + will wait 7 days. Most superstar won't be moved anyway and some of these lower level free agent are useful to facilitate matching of salaries + quantity of players moved.

*Note this coming from someone who signed 5 players off free agency and only kept the 3 lower level ones in the end, cause the other 2 had interest from other team and net me pieces i would otherwise not be able to get, Jason Richardson turn into Tony Allen while Tyson Chandler turn into Andrew Bynum.

[-Kees-]

I also think we should start with the draft, or keep the draft places. that seemed to work very well...so maybe a week of trading on 10/11 salaries, draft using current positions (CLE 1, MIN 2 ect)/FA, 3 weeks of trading.

I think that if we don't do that, teams like Utah and Houston or Minny can be in a completely different position, because they could chose to win now and lose that high pick. And someone like NY (who looks great on paper) might not be rated as low, and might not get the #17

[Karmaloop]

I also think we should start with the draft, or keep the draft places. that seemed to work very well...so maybe a week of trading on 10/11 salaries, draft using current positions (CLE 1, MIN 2 ect)/FA, 3 weeks of trading.

Yeah, probably should have done that. Draft order won't be affected. Probably do something like 5 days of trading before draft and free agency start. That allows people to do a bit of maneuvering before the draft.

[-Kees-]

I also think we should start with the draft, or keep the draft places. that seemed to work very well...so maybe a week of trading on 10/11 salaries, draft using current positions (CLE 1, MIN 2 ect)/FA, 3 weeks of trading.

Yeah, probably should have done that. Draft order won't be affected. Probably do something like 5 days of trading before draft and free agency start. That allows people to do a bit of maneuvering before the draft.

Sounds great. Then Draft/FA, then like 3 weeks trading sounds like a good plan. Thanks for commishing, btw.

[roc]

If you've only got 15 moves to make, you might not be willing to do those side deals that eventually get a blockbuster deal moving.

exactly

[Karmaloop]

Alright, I'm going to try and revise the schedule yet again. Hopefully this time I won't have to completely revamp it again.

Sunday, June 12th - Sign Ups Open
Friday, June 17th - Signs Up Close (Pending Full Sign Ups)
Saturday, June 18th - Team Announcements
Saturday, June 18th - Trades Begin
Monday, June 20th - Rosters Must Be Posted
Tuesday, June 21st - Free Agency & Draft Begins
Monday, June 27th - Major Free Agency Ends*
Tuesday, July 19th - Trades End
Thursday, July 21st - Rosters Updated
Saturday, July 23rd - Rankings Due
Sunday, July 24th - Winners Declared

That puts us on a six week schedule including sign ups, roughly five weeks and two more days to actually play. Puts us right around the time frame I was targeting for after editing the issue with re-rankings out.

On that note, I've gotten one person (moss_is_1) to step up to be an agent for two of the top free agents. We're looking for two other people who aren't going to be participating in this next game to step up and act as GMs. E-mail me if you're interested. I will post more in the Free Agency thread explaining that in greater detail. But the gist of it is that a poster whose not GMing a team will act as the agent of two of the top free agents, and the GMs will send the offers to them. The "agent" will weigh their options and decide what is best for their client. For example, someone is the agent of Grant Hill and the Bobcats are offering Grant Hill a four year, $40 million dollar contract while the Miami Heat are offering the MLE for three years. Naturally, Grant Hill would be more likely to take the MLE from the Heat for a chance to win a title.

FA will otherwise be pretty similar to how it's normally ran. Certain players will be looking for different things. Some will be looking for the most money, while others will be looking for playing time, yet while others are looking for a chance to latch on to a title contender. All options will be weighed evenly as the player "deems to want."

If anyone wants to contact me anonymously or needs to for any reason, feel free to e-mail me.
karmaloop1234@yahoo.com

[Klomp]

2011 Draft and Free Agency, correct?