Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J

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Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J 

Post#1 » by Fadeaway_J » Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:38 pm

Here is a quick list of what you need in your writeup.

1. Specific years for each player on your team
2. Rotations and minutes for each player
3. Reasoning as to why your team will win and/or why people should vote for you.

Do not vote in this thread until both managers have submitted their writeups.

If writeups aren't posted within 24 hours, we will vote solely based on the players they have drafted (and any rotations they have posted on their roster page).

**First to 3 votes advances. If neither team has 3 votes after 24 hours, first to 2 votes advances, provided we aren't already tied 2-2.**

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Re: Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J 

Post#2 » by Fadeaway_J » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:47 am

Starters
C - Marc Gasol (2012-13)
Spoiler:
14.1 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 4.0 apg, 1.0 spg, 1.7 bpg, .494 FG%, .848 FT%, .559 TS%
- Defensive Player of the Tear
- All-NBA Second Team
- All-Defensive Second Team

PF - Shawn Marion (2006-07)
Spoiler:
17.5 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.7 apg, 2.0 spg, 1.5 bpg, .524 FG%, .317 3P%, .810 FT%, 80 3P, .594% TS, 20.8 PER
- NBA All-Star

SF - Kevin Durant (2016-17)
Spoiler:
25.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.8 apg, 1.1 spg, 1.6 bpg, .537 FG%, .375 3P%, .875 FT%, 117 3P, .651 TS%, 27.6 PER
- Led the NBA in WS/48 (.278)
- NBA Champion
- NBA Finals MVP
- NBA All-Star
- All-NBA Second Team

SG - Vince Carter (2000-01)
Spoiler:
27.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 3.9 apg, 1.5 spg, 1.1 bpg, .460 FG%, .408 3P%, .765 FT%, 162 3P, .551 TS%, 25.0 PER
- Led the NBA in OBPM (7.7)
- NBA All-Star
- All-NBA Second Team

PG - Steve Nash (2004-05)
Spoiler:
15.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 11.5 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.1 bpg, .502 FG%, .431 3P%, .887 FT%, 94 3P, .606 TS%, 22.0 PER
- Led the NBA in apg
- NBA MVP
- NBA All-Star
- All-NBA First Team

Bench
F/C - Dennis Rodman (1993-94)
Spoiler:
4.7 ppg, 17.3 rpg, 2.3 apg, 0.7 spg, 0.4 bpg, .534 FG%, .520 FT%, .549 TS%, 13.4 PER
- Led the NBA in rpg, ORB% (17.9), DRB % (32.8), TRB% (25.7)
- All-Defensive Second Team

G - Steve Kerr (1996-97)
Spoiler:
8.1 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.1 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.0 bpg, .533 FG%, .464 3P%, .806 FT%, 110 3P, .667 TS%, 15.6 PER
- NBA Champion

G - Shaun Livingston (2016-17)
Spoiler:
5.1 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.8 apg, 0.5 spg, 0.3 bpg, .547 FG%, .700 FT%, .568 TS%, 10.1 PER
- NBA Champion

Rotations
C - Gasol (36), Rodman (12)
PF - Marion (38), Rodman (10)
SF - Durant (38), Carter (10)
SG - Carter (28), Kerr (15), Livingston (5)
PG - Nash (38), Livingston (10)

FGA Per Player
Spoiler:
Kevin Durant - 16.5
Shaun Livingston - 4.2
Steve Nash - 11.4
Dennis Rodman - 3.7
Vince Carter - 22.1
Marc Gasol - 10.9
Shawn Marion - 13.4
Steve Kerr - 5.7

Total: 87.9/88.0


A supercharged version of the SSOL Suns, with Amar'e replaced by DPOY Gasol and massive upgrades at the wing spots. KD and Vince can both run the floor, bomb from long range, and create their own shots in isolation, and will only be enhanced by the creative genius of Nash. Gasol is our defensive anchor, but we've also got quality shotblockers at spots 2 through 4, and Matrix is an elite do-everything defender. Rodman off the bench rounds out an outstanding defensive frontcourt. Livingston complements Nash nicely as a bigger defensive guard, and Kerr gives us another deadly sniper.

Matchup
- Defensive matchups will be Nash on CP3, Matrix on PG, KD on Pippen, Vince on Wallace, Gasol on Zo. We do have a lot of versatility 2 through 4 and feel comfortable switching any of those matchups.
- Simply put, we have a sizable edge in top-end firepower. After Nash and CP3 who are both GOAT level floor generals, the next best offensive players are quite clearly KD and Vince. PG and Pippen are great two-way wings but as offensive players their playoff track records are very spotty. Matrix is essentially a rich man's version of Wallace. Zo is a capable enough scorer but not of the calibre to go off against someone like Gasol.
- CP3 will maybe look to attack Nash one-on-one, so we're happy to have only one serious outside threat to worry about (PG). Pippen was only ever able to get above the low 30s from three on the shortened line, and even in the chosen season he fell off badly in the playoffs. Wallace had an outlier hot year but even then his volume was pretty low. We feel comfortable digging down off those guys and sending help Nash's way if we feel CP3 is really doing damage.
- Both benches are solid but Rodman is quite clearly the most impactful reserve in the series.

Good luck parsnips.
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Re: Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J 

Post#3 » by parsnips33 » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:08 pm

1A: 12-13 Chris Paul - 12.2 FGA
1B: 19-20 Paul George - 16.3 FGA
2A: 95-96 Scottie Pippen - 15.8 FGA
2B: 11-12 Thabo Sefolosha - 3.7 FGA
3A: 98-99 Alonzo Mourning - 13.8 FGA
3B: 09-10 Gerald Wallace - 12.4 FGA
4A: 98-99 Chris Mullin - 7.4 FGA
4B: 15-16 David West - 5.7 FGA

Total FGA: 87.3/88.0

Chris Paul (38) / Scottie Pippen (10)
Paul George (18) / Thabo Sefolosha (30)
Scottie Pippen (28) / Paul George (20)
Gerald Wallace (38) / Chris Mullin (10)
Alonzo Mourning (38) / David West (10)

We've got a defensive powerhouse here. Everyone on the team (barring Mullin) is very good to elite on that end of the floor. The gameplan is slow things down to a grind, let the defense lock in, and on the other end let CP3's methodical, low turnover approach carry us to wins. He's got plenty of weapons and secondary playmakers in PG, Pippen, and Mourning.

We'll match up straight up defensively. He's got a pair of elite offensive wings in KD and Vince but we've got the best answers you could ask for on the perimeter. I like CP on Nash, and we might even throw Pippen on him at times just to see how he deals with the size. Since Fade brought up SSOL, I do think Gasol is a distinct downgrade from Amare offensively, not only is he a worse scorer, he also seriously slows down the offense as more of a post-up guy offensively than the natural roll man you'd want to pair with Nash. Either way, I like Mourning in the middle as an answer, and I think all together the defense can do their job in keeping the pace slow and forcing turnovers. I feel confident we could win the battle of possessions as Nash and KD are relatively turnover prone and this defense can jump on every opportunity.

Offensively, we have less firepower than Fade sure, but I'd say also far less resistance. I don't see any above average perimeter defenders on Fade's team (KD can lock in for stretches but lacks possession to possession consistency) and Nash is a distinct weak point. With Marion having to stick to PG who is an elite shooter in the chosen season, there will be a lot put on Gasol's shoulders in anchoring the defense, without a Tony Allen, Conley, or Tayshaun Prince to help him on the perimeter. CP3 and Mourning getting Nash and the slow footed Gasol in high PNR is the bread and butter, and I think that should generate lots of efficient offense.

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Re: Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J 

Post#4 » by spree8 » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:10 pm

Interesting matchup. Fade’s team is nice offensively 1-3 and having Matrix makes them even more dangerous in transition, but Gasol does slow them down a bit.

I think the perimeter guys aren’t complimented well enough with a front court that can draw defenders away from the rim tho [Gasol didn’t shoot 3’s like he did later on and Marion shot just 31%]. Unfortunately, that means Zo and Crash will be there to help contest shots in the paint [if the perimeter guys can get by the elite perimeter defense first].

Parsnips has elite defense and the offense is really good too. They might not be as deadly in transition, but still pretty damn good, and may have a lot more opportunities from their defense. Pippen and Crash weren’t the greatest 3point shooters, but they were stroking it at 37% each these years.

All in all, I gotta give the advantage to parsnips here by a good margin.

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Re: Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J 

Post#5 » by lilroddyb » Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:58 pm

Should be a really fun matchup

Really hard to vote in this one. Parsnips has the clear defensive edge while Fadeaway has the clear offensive edge imo. I think in the end its going to be a high scoring game. CP3 will really go off since Nash is a weak defender and Vince Carter is average defender and Marc Gasol is to slow when they will face each other in pick and roll situations. In the end I like Fades offense more than Parsnips defense. Better spacing by quite a bit and Nash has the almost the perfect cast for him, elite spacing all around, athletic freaks in VC,KD and Marion that will score a bunch in pick and roll situtions

really close but I'll vote Fade
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Re: Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J 

Post#6 » by wackbone » Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:34 pm

Fade's offense of Nash+Vince+KD+Marion would be absolutely lethal. However, I am not really sure how Marc fits into that, as he is not the ideal athlete in a SSOL offense. So really a lot of Fade's offense would be the 1-4. This would give parsnips a bit of an easier time defending, and he has very high level defenders at each position. Conversely, parsnips' offense is no where near as deadly, but also faces much less resistance in the form of Nash+Carter on the perimeter, and to an extent KD. So while they are not as elite, the defense they are facing is definitely much less stringent.

In the end I think parsnips' group will be able to figure out the offensive gameplan to succeed here. It's not like his group are lower level offensive players - they are still mostly All-Stars/All-NBA types, who in comparison to Fade's uber offense don't quite measure up on that end, but are still very high level in their own regard.

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Re: Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J 

Post#7 » by Fadeaway_J » Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:08 pm

I guess I must have imagined noted athlete Boris Diaw having a career year playing for the SSOL Suns...
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Re: Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J 

Post#8 » by wackbone » Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:53 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:I guess I must have imagined noted athlete Boris Diaw having a career year playing for the SSOL Suns...

To be fair to my explanation, Marc Gasol's role in your offense played a very minor role in my vote. Your offense is almost completely unquestioned.
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Re: Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J 

Post#9 » by Dr Positivity » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:40 am

Both teams are strong but Fadeaway's offense built around Nash will be particularly hard to stop and he has a good bench. Vote Fadeaway
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Re: Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J 

Post#10 » by parsnips33 » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:42 pm

Next vote wins...
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Re: Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J 

Post#11 » by Fadeaway_J » Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:39 pm

O_6 wrote:.

Snakebites wrote:.

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Re: Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J 

Post#12 » by Snakebites » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:08 am

It’s a tough call. Conventional wisdom says that you go with the 2 way team, but that super powered version of the Suns is just so compelling.

I think even with solid defenders parsnips doesn’t have the one great scorer to help him keep up with that onslaught.

I also think the team that controls the tempo ( fast vs slow) wins the series and that’s Fade.

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Re: Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J 

Post#13 » by Fadeaway_J » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:55 am

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Re: Same Two Franchises Pairs Draft R1 - parsnips33 vs. Fadeaway_J 

Post#14 » by parsnips33 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:42 pm

Knew my team was missing that highest gear offensively so OF COURSE I get the team with Nash and KD in the first round :lol:

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