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Larry_Russell · Post #101 » by **Larry_Russell** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 3:52 pm

Deng was born in sudan.

Wiki is WRONG if it only lists british as it wasnt until 2006 until he was nationalized in great britain.

Deng is also sudanese

Larry_Russell · Post #102 » by **Larry_Russell** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 3:54 pm

https://olympics.com/en/news/nba-star-luol-deng-fostering-peace-south-sudan

Someone might have edited that he was sudanese out of wiki I think, or the wiki is just straight up wrong.

Have to go with what is the known truth.

Dr Positivity · Post #103 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 3:56 pm

You can check the wiki revision history and someone did just coincidentally edit in the last day

Wasn't me, I already have an African and European. There is no motive for this crime!

We can claim that the wiki articles when the game started and when flaco made that list is what counts, in which case Deng counts as UK only.

Post #104 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 3:58 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:Deng was born in sudan.

Wiki is WRONG if it only lists british as it wasnt until 2006 until he was nationalized in great britain.

Deng is also sudanese

It doesn't matter whether it's "wrong" or not. I'm sure there are plenty of players with dual nationality who aren't listed as such on their wiki page.

The fact is, the rules say we are to use Wikipedia to determine nationality. If he'd been listed as South Sudanese before, I would have picked him myself. Instead it said British (at least when flaco took his screenshot) so I ruled him out as I already have two Europeans and wanted another category filled.

Someone has since edited it to say British/South Sudanese. The change was made sometime today.

Post #105 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 4:07 pm

On an unrelated note, I think my life would have been a lot simpler if I'd just taken Duncan instead of Luka.

flaco · Post #106 » by **flaco** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 4:13 pm

Somebody must have changed Deng's profile today cause I literally checked it a few hours ago. It doesn't make any difference for Dr P cause he already got an african player in Embiid, but it could have made a big difference for Fade. Wikipedia supports open access software, meaning anyone can edit nearly any page.

Deng counts as british only. He was listed as exclusively british when the draft started. Btw, Raja Bell counts as American in case anyone is having any silly ideas. Ryoga admitted that he tried unsuccessfully to edit Klay's profile. With all due respect, this was shameful to say the least.

Fadeaway_J wrote:.

I'm truly sorry for what happened. I honestly tried to help in case you thought Deng was eligible in the african pool. I had nothing to gain by this. After all, I already got an african player in Giannis.

For the record, this is the last time I'm suggesting wiki as a reference point in our drafts. The open access policy may be a double edged sword sometimes.

Post #107 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 4:19 pm

flaco wrote:Somebody must have changed Deng's profile today cause I literally checked it a few hours ago. It doesn't make any difference for Dr P cause he already got an african player in Embiid, but it could have made a big difference for Fade. Wikipedia supports open access software, meaning anyone can edit nearly any page. Ryoga admitted that he tried unsuccessfully to edit Klay's profile. With all due respect, this was shameful to say the least.

Deng counts as british only. He was listed as british only when the draft started. Btw, Raja Bell counts as American in case anyone is having any silly ideas.

Fadeaway_J wrote:.

I'm truly sorry for what happened. I honestly tried to help in case you thought Deng was eligible in the african pool. I had nothing to gain by this. After all, I already got an african player in Giannis.

For the record, this is the last time I'm suggesting wiki as a reference point in our drafts. The open access policy may be a double edged sword sometimes.

It's fine. I'm not saying you or anyone else on here did anything. It's just the perils of using wiki - I wish we had a way to use something like BR for this kind of game.

BTW, I only just realised Giannis is listed as a Nigerian. :lol:

I took way too many things for granted in this game...

Dr Positivity · Post #108 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 4:27 pm

It always surprises me how bad the UK is at basketball, I don't have to rule out any possible pick as a result of this. South Sudan at least has a popular scrub center. Even among the UK's best players Ben Gordon is in reality as British as Kyrie is Australian, and Deng moved from Africa. You would think there would be some British white guy who has a Korver/Redick career at some point.

flaco · Post #109 » by **flaco** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 4:30 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
flaco wrote:Somebody must have changed Deng's profile today cause I literally checked it a few hours ago. It doesn't make any difference for Dr P cause he already got an african player in Embiid, but it could have made a big difference for Fade. Wikipedia supports open access software, meaning anyone can edit nearly any page. Ryoga admitted that he tried unsuccessfully to edit Klay's profile. With all due respect, this was shameful to say the least.

Deng counts as british only. He was listed as british only when the draft started. Btw, Raja Bell counts as American in case anyone is having any silly ideas.

Fadeaway_J wrote:.

I'm truly sorry for what happened. I honestly tried to help in case you thought Deng was eligible in the african pool. I had nothing to gain by this. After all, I already got an african player in Giannis.

For the record, this is the last time I'm suggesting wiki as a reference point in our drafts. The open access policy may be a double edged sword sometimes.

It's fine. I'm not saying you or anyone else on here did anything. It's just the perils of using wiki - I wish we had a way to use something like BR for this kind of game.

BTW, I only just realised Giannis is listed as a Nigerian. I took way too many things for granted in this game...

Unfortunately, B/R only lists place of birth. Dominique Wilkins would have counted as french cause he was born in Paris. Kyrie would have counted as Australian cause he was born in Melbourne. Carlos Boozer would have counted as german, Reggie Jackson would have counted as italian, etc. None of these guys are actual international players. This is why I opted for wikipedia. It may was a wrong decision after all.

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #110 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 4:33 pm

Ryoga admitted that he tried unsuccessfully to edit Klay's profile. With all due respect, this was shameful to say the least.

it was quite obviously a joke, had I been serious I would have admitted that... being Klay born in the US there wasn't much space there...
But I did want to mess up with you guys today writing there that he was only from Bahamas and that he renounced his American citizenship for tax reasons, knowing such changes don't last very long in popular pages.

Post #111 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 4:36 pm

flaco wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
flaco wrote:Somebody must have changed Deng's profile today cause I literally checked it a few hours ago. It doesn't make any difference for Dr P cause he already got an african player in Embiid, but it could have made a big difference for Fade. Wikipedia supports open access software, meaning anyone can edit nearly any page. Ryoga admitted that he tried unsuccessfully to edit Klay's profile. With all due respect, this was shameful to say the least.

Deng counts as british only. He was listed as british only when the draft started. Btw, Raja Bell counts as American in case anyone is having any silly ideas.

I'm truly sorry for what happened. I honestly tried to help in case you thought Deng was eligible in the african pool. I had nothing to gain by this. After all, I already got an african player in Giannis.

For the record, this is the last time I'm suggesting wiki as a reference point in our drafts. The open access policy may be a double edged sword sometimes.

It's fine. I'm not saying you or anyone else on here did anything. It's just the perils of using wiki - I wish we had a way to use something like BR for this kind of game.

BTW, I only just realised Giannis is listed as a Nigerian. I took way too many things for granted in this game...

Unfortunately, B/R only lists place of birth. Dominique Wilkins would have counted as french cause he was born in Paris. Kyrie would have counted as Australian cause he was born in Melbourne. Carlos Boozer would have counted as german, Reggie Jackson would have counted as italian, etc. None of these guys are actual international players. This is why I opted for wikipedia. It may was a wrong decision after all.

Yes I realise the limitations of BR and why we can't use it.

I recall doing at least one game where we used this list, but I don't think it works for dual citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_players_born_outside_the_United_States

flaco · Post #112 » by **flaco** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 4:37 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
Ryoga admitted that he tried unsuccessfully to edit Klay's profile. With all due respect, this was shameful to say the least.

it was quite obviously a joke, had I been serious I would have admitted that... being Klay born in the US there wasn't much space there...
But I did want to mess up with you guys today writing there that he was only from Bahamas and that he renounced his American citizenship for tax reasons, knowing such changes don't last very long in popular pages.

Thanks for the clarification.

Larry_Russell · Post #113 » by **Larry_Russell** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 5:10 pm

Wilkins doesnt count as french???

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flaco · Post #114 » by **flaco** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 5:24 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:Wilkins doesnt count as french???

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He counts as American.

Post #115 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 5:41 pm

Welp, that pick was a mistake. :nonono:

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #116 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 5:49 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:Welp, that pick was a mistake.

How could Pau drop so much?

Dr Positivity · Post #117 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 6:31 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:Welp, that pick was a mistake.

How could Pau drop so much?

He's not the drop that really shocks me

flaco · Post #118 » by **flaco** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 6:40 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:Welp, that pick was a mistake.

How could Pau drop so much?

The Center position is hands down the deepest one in the draft followed by the PF position. Plenty of serviceable bigs are still available on the board. There's even a guy who frequently goes in the 3rd round in much deeper talent pools (or even in the late 2nd). That said, Pau is one of the best international players ever. Never expected him to be available in the 5th round either.

A few months ago, european fans were asked to name their All-NBA european 1st and 2nd teams. Pau made the first team. Here were the results.

Talent-wise, I believe Jokic/Sabas and Drazen should have been starting ahead of Pau and Parker. Just realized I got 4 of these 10 guys on my team. Was hoping to grab Sabonis as well. Wanted to draft Kukoc, but I had already selected a croatian player in Drazen.

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #119 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 7:01 pm

wait a second is Amare' counted as israeli?
Double citizenship and born in the USA.

Post #120 » by **Snakebites** » Sat Oct 1, 2022 7:08 pm

I feel for flaco. He did a good job making the rules as clear as possible but there have still been a lot of issues.