Future Draft Games

[Fadeaway_J]

Still wanna try a white boys draft at some point

Poor Ness been begging for this forever. I think we should help him out, if someone wants to define it. There would be some disputes I would think.

I'm not worried as much about the disputes as I am about the talent. Seems like the teams with Bird and Dirk (maybe West too) would have a huge advantage.

[migya]

How about a Runner Ups Draft?

We've just done the Champions Draft.

[goober]

Non power5 draft? We can draft euros and players who didn’t play college in a power 5 conference?

[goober]

High school is allowed as well

[Laimbeer]

Still wanna try a white boys draft at some point

Poor Ness been begging for this forever. I think we should help him out, if someone wants to define it. There would be some disputes I would think.

I'm not worried as much about the disputes as I am about the talent. Seems like the teams with Bird and Dirk (maybe West too) would have a huge advantage.

West would be out if we went post merger - don't forget Walton, Barry and Nash. Maybe if you select a MVP you get no pick in the next two rounds? Maybe first team all-NBA costs you just the next round. It would add a layer of strategy and drafters could decide at what round it is worth doing so for a particular player.

[Fadeaway_J]

Poor Ness been begging for this forever. I think we should help him out, if someone wants to define it. There would be some disputes I would think.

I'm not worried as much about the disputes as I am about the talent. Seems like the teams with Bird and Dirk (maybe West too) would have a huge advantage.

West would be out if we went post merger - don't forget Walton, Barry and Nash. Maybe if you select a MVP you get no pick in the next two rounds? Maybe first team all-NBA costs you just the next round. It would add a layer of strategy and drafters could decide at what round it is worth doing so for a particular player.

If it's post-merger, Barry isn't a huge difference-maker. Nash is firmly at the weaker end of the MVP spectrum.

Once you get past the first round I think most of the players are much of a muchness. I count 10 All-NBA First Teamers in the post-merger period, and that includes Paul Westphal who's never drafted as well as guys like Marc Gasol, Chris Mullin, and Mark Price. How much does the difference between, say Price and Goran Dragic really matter compared to Bird/Dirk/Walton and everyone else?

[migya]

How about a Runner Ups Draft?

We've just done the Champions Draft.

?

[Laimbeer]

I'm not worried as much about the disputes as I am about the talent. Seems like the teams with Bird and Dirk (maybe West too) would have a huge advantage.

West would be out if we went post merger - don't forget Walton, Barry and Nash. Maybe if you select a MVP you get no pick in the next two rounds? Maybe first team all-NBA costs you just the next round. It would add a layer of strategy and drafters could decide at what round it is worth doing so for a particular player.

If it's post-merger, Barry isn't a huge difference-maker. Nash is firmly at the weaker end of the MVP spectrum.

Once you get past the first round I think most of the players are much of a muchness. I count 10 All-NBA First Teamers in the post-merger period, and that includes Paul Westphal who's never drafted as well as guys like Marc Gasol, Chris Mullin, and Mark Price. How much does the difference between, say Price and Goran Dragic really matter compared to Bird/Dirk/Walton and everyone else?

Not as much, but Bird/Dirk/Walton still have quite a drop after them. Someone like Nash, Barry or Cowens might not go in the first given the penalty, but people might be willing to take them with a later pick so they aren't losing as much value in the next two. Might be an interesting twist.

[Fadeaway_J]

How about a Runner Ups Draft?

We've just done the Champions Draft.

?

What, just any player who has lost in the finals? The pool would definitely be bigger - lots of champions who were also runners-up at some point.

[migya]

How about a Runner Ups Draft?

We've just done the Champions Draft.

?

What, just any player who has lost in the finals? The pool would definitely be bigger - lots of champions who were also runners-up at some point.

Not much bigger than the Champions pool. Post merger would be ideal.

[Dr Positivity]

How about applying the "miss out on the next 2 rounds if you draft an MVP" rule to a conventional draft? Or is losing only 1 round more fair?

[Fadeaway_J]

How about applying the "miss out on the next 2 rounds if you draft an MVP" rule to a conventional draft? Or is losing only 1 round more fair?

In a regular draft, I don't think any MVP is worth missing even one round let alone two. Very often the guy who picks LeBron or MJ gets a relatively weak second banana because of the gap between picks.

Naw, I don't like restricting the mvp's, they should all be game. How about letting people take 2 mvp's, but if you do, you can't have any other 1st, 2nd or 3rd team guys on your roster.

I think SP was onto something with this proposal. The big flaw with these "one MVP" drafts is that MVPs vary quite widely in terms of value, with a few even being ranked below non-MVPs like Wade and Kawhi. I wouldn't want the restriction to be quite so harsh (the single MVP teams would be able to stockpile a lot more talent) but I like the thought process of making the Kobes and Barkleys of the world more viable in an MVP restricted game.

[Dr Positivity]

In a regular draft, I don't think any MVP is worth missing even one round let alone two. Very often the guy who picks LeBron or MJ gets a relatively weak second banana because of the gap between picks.

I think this is true for people passing on MVPs in Rd 1, but then the decision is really whether to start taking them from Rd 2 on. By Rd 5 it's obvious to take them and pass on bench player rounds, so the decision is whether to go in Rd 2, 3 or 4. I guess it might be predictable that Lebron and Jordan go Rd 2 and everyone else just bunches up in the next two rounds

[Fadeaway_J]

In a regular draft, I don't think any MVP is worth missing even one round let alone two. Very often the guy who picks LeBron or MJ gets a relatively weak second banana because of the gap between picks.

I think this is true for people passing on MVPs in Rd 1, but then the decision is really whether to start taking them from Rd 2 on. By Rd 5 it's obvious to take them and pass on bench player rounds, so the decision is whether to go in Rd 2, 3 or 4. I guess it might be predictable that Lebron and Jordan go Rd 2 and everyone else just bunches up in the next two rounds

There's still the issue of all MVPs being subject to the same restriction. Why should picking Kobe, Nash, or Barkley result in missing a round when guys like Kawhi, Wade, and Paul don't? If we're going to keep using these MVP restrictions, we need to start accounting for the wide differences in value between MVPs.

[Dr Positivity]

In a regular draft, I don't think any MVP is worth missing even one round let alone two. Very often the guy who picks LeBron or MJ gets a relatively weak second banana because of the gap between picks.

I think this is true for people passing on MVPs in Rd 1, but then the decision is really whether to start taking them from Rd 2 on. By Rd 5 it's obvious to take them and pass on bench player rounds, so the decision is whether to go in Rd 2, 3 or 4. I guess it might be predictable that Lebron and Jordan go Rd 2 and everyone else just bunches up in the next two rounds

There's still the issue of all MVPs being subject to the same restriction. Why should picking Kobe, Nash, or Barkley result in missing a round when guys like Kawhi, Wade, and Paul don't? If we're going to keep using these MVP restrictions, we need to start accounting for the wide differences in value between MVPs.

Yea but that just makes them lower value picks. You might be able to get Nash in like Rd 5

[goober]

We could do a draft where we can trade throughout. A simple 90’s to now draft where we can trade draft positions like in a fantasy draft

[Fadeaway_J]

I think this is true for people passing on MVPs in Rd 1, but then the decision is really whether to start taking them from Rd 2 on. By Rd 5 it's obvious to take them and pass on bench player rounds, so the decision is whether to go in Rd 2, 3 or 4. I guess it might be predictable that Lebron and Jordan go Rd 2 and everyone else just bunches up in the next two rounds

There's still the issue of all MVPs being subject to the same restriction. Why should picking Kobe, Nash, or Barkley result in missing a round when guys like Kawhi, Wade, and Paul don't? If we're going to keep using these MVP restrictions, we need to start accounting for the wide differences in value between MVPs.

Yea but that just makes them lower value picks. You might be able to get Nash in like Rd 5

Not sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you still talking about your original idea or something else?

[Dr Positivity]

There's still the issue of all MVPs being subject to the same restriction. Why should picking Kobe, Nash, or Barkley result in missing a round when guys like Kawhi, Wade, and Paul don't? If we're going to keep using these MVP restrictions, we need to start accounting for the wide differences in value between MVPs.

Yea but that just makes them lower value picks. You might be able to get Nash in like Rd 5

Not sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you still talking about your original idea or something else?

Still talking about my original idea. You said why do Kobe, Nash or Barkley miss a one/two rounds while players like Kawhi and Wade don't, but to get Kawhi and Wade you have to use the top 2 overall picks in the draft, while you might be able to get a player like Barkley in Round 4 or 5. So it just changes the value of players. I do not mind drafts personally where better players are taken in later rounds depending on the rules.

[Dr Positivity]

We could do a draft where we can trade throughout. A simple 90’s to now draft where we can trade draft positions like in a fantasy draft

This has been tried a few times and the problem is always someone ripping off another player giving themselves an unfair advantage, plus it leads to drama

[Fadeaway_J]

Yea but that just makes them lower value picks. You might be able to get Nash in like Rd 5

Not sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you still talking about your original idea or something else?

Still talking about my original idea. You said why do Kobe, Nash or Barkley miss a one/two rounds while players like Kawhi and Wade don't, but to get Kawhi and Wade you have to use the top 2 overall picks in the draft, while you might be able to get a player like Barkley in Round 4 or 5. So it just changes the value of players. I do not mind drafts personally where better players are taken in later rounds depending on the rules.

Neither do I, but I do have a problem with the exact same restriction applying to a Nash compared to an MJ. I feel like it devalues the "lesser" MVPs too much while giving the best non-MVPs a disproportionate boost.