Mock Off-Season: NBA Draft and continuation of Mock Offseason part 1

[NashtyNas]

Chicago is taking Henson in this suggestion. You're not getting a new center.. But subbing Ian in for Gortat would change the value pretty far from Indy's side..

Yeah, which is the problem. Not only am I giving up the best player in that proposed version, I'm also sending out my starting C without getting anything back to replace him. That alone makes it an easy no for me because instead of getting more value, I'm somehow losing my starting C. I value Wade = Fournier for the most part except that Wade is more expensive, older and expiring.

IND is swapping Henson + Fournier for Wade + Gortat + Collins which is obviously a massive steal for them as it is...

If IND needs that kind of value to swap Fournier for Wade, I would simply cut out IND and keep Gortat and deal with what happens with Wade at a later point.

[aramada]

I'll wait to see how Washington feels about that

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Thoughts?

Much more interesting if it's Mahinmi going out instead of Gortat and another 1st instead of a swap in 18. I wouldn't trade Gortat for Henson so that part alone makes it an easy no go for now... but it's something we can work off of for sure if there's interest from Jay & yourself. Still waiting to hear what NY and Utah have to offer in terms of a final offer.

Taking on Mahinmi's contract in addition to Beal's would be irresponsible. I don't think I can go further than that offer.
Totally understand if that's not enough for the two of you

[NashtyNas]

Taking on Mahinmi's contract in addition to Beal's would be irresponsible. I don't think I can go further than that offer.
Totally understand if that's not enough for the two of you

You wouldn't need to take on Mahinmi, I'd send him to IND instead of Gortat.
That of course doesn't work if IND isn't interested and I'm fine just cutting IND out instead if that's the case.

Like I said, if that's the amount of value required for IND to swap Fournier and Wade, there's no need for them to be in the trade.

You basically added Collins on top of your original offer and took on Henson in the 3 way.
Instead, we just cut out IND and do exactly the pieces you proposed:

Wade, Portis, Morris, Collins, the picks

for

Beal, Mahinmi (instead of Henson)

Why include Jay if he's just sucking out value from both of us?

BTW, I'd also inquire about what point guards you have remaining on your roster as of now. I am in need of a backup point so we can work out another deal for one if you're still overloaded at the position.

[jayjaysee]

Chicago is taking Henson in this suggestion. You're not getting a new center.. But subbing Ian in for Gortat would change the value pretty far from Indy's side..

Yeah, which is the problem. Not only am I giving up the best player in that proposed version, I'm also sending out my starting C without getting anything back to replace him. That alone makes it an easy no for me because instead of getting more value, I'm somehow losing my starting C. I value Wade = Fournier for the most part except that Wade is more expensive, older and expiring.

IND is swapping Henson + Fournier for Wade + Gortat + Collins which is obviously a massive steal for them as it is...

If IND needs that kind of value to swap Fournier for Wade, I would simply cut out IND and keep Gortat and deal with what happens with Wade at a later point.

Then Indy should be cut out.. I think Indy would (irl if they even had Evan) need a lot of value to risk having oldWade and Paul expire together. Just not a smart choice for them.

I'll leave you two to try and find common ground and I will go back to bothering people for point guards they don't want.

In case anyone forgot.. Indy's looking to deal Matthew Dellavedova or Kris Dunn. But maybe I should just keep them both and run Dunn as a backup 2. Shrug.

[jredsaz]

How many hours does spens1 have? Lol. I've been waiting to make this pick for a fortnight.

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[NashtyNas]

Then Indy should be cut out.. I think Indy would (irl if they even had Evan) need a lot of value to risk having oldWade and Paul expire together. Just not a smart choice for them.

I'll leave you two to try and find common ground and I will go back to bothering people for point guards they don't want.

In case anyone forgot.. Indy's looking to deal Matthew Dellavedova or Kris Dunn. But maybe I should just keep them both and run Dunn as a backup 2. Shrug.

Oh absolutely, I completely understand your position and I don't have anything against it at all.
There's no argument here - the reason I prefer Fournier over Wade is simply age and contract as well because I don't think anyone will argue that Wade isn't the better player even today.

It's just that if that much value goes away from me just to make that swap, I'll deal with what happens with Wade instead.

I am interested in Dellavedova and if I do work something out with the Bulls for the swap and have salary left over that I can move, I'll definitely get back to you.

Would you be interested in a straight up Jason Smith for Dellavedova swap?

[bdpecore]

How many hours does spens1 have? Lol. I've been waiting to make this pick for a fortnight.

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Same here

[sportscrazy]

Sorry Spens, I have to move this along... New York Knicks select...
Monte Morris

Spens1

The San Antonio Spurs are on the clock...

jredsaz

[kalenclayton]

The Kings still have until the end of the draft to move Arron Afflalo before he becomes fully guaranteed.

Bucks would be interested in sending Kyle Singler and the better of our TOR/MIL 2019 2nd in exchange for Afflalo.

After thinking about this, we have decided to decline. Taking on the extra salary for the next two seasons won't be worth a likely mid- to late-2nd. Thank you for the offer.

[jayjaysee]

Would you be interested in a straight up Jason Smith for Dellavedova swap?

Agree Wade is better today.. Which is why I was trying to figure out a deal like Henson, Delly, Dunn for Wade.. Evan 6 manning it.. Seemed interesting and could help keep PG eh. But I don't know if I even liked throwing Dunn away like that nor do I think Chicago would go for it as that's getting worse during Butler's prime and paying Dunn 25 mil a year when he hasn't proven to be worth 4..

And yeah, I really like Jason Smith for some reason and Indy could definitely use his range. I'd rather trade for a tweener forward but since that's not happening in this game, I'd probably do it just to balance my roster out at this point honestly.

Do you have any new wings? If not would you include a Satoransky+2nd for Jordan Mickey or Georges Niang to it? Delly makes too much for a straight swap.. Don't really want Sator at all but need to match salaries

[aramada]

Taking on Mahinmi's contract in addition to Beal's would be irresponsible. I don't think I can go further than that offer.
Totally understand if that's not enough for the two of you

You wouldn't need to take on Mahinmi, I'd send him to IND instead of Gortat.
That of course doesn't work if IND isn't interested and I'm fine just cutting IND out instead if that's the case.

Like I said, if that's the amount of value required for IND to swap Fournier and Wade, there's no need for them to be in the trade.

You basically added Collins on top of your original offer and took on Henson in the 3 way.
Instead, we just cut out IND and do exactly the pieces you proposed:

Wade, Portis, Morris, Collins, the picks

for

Beal, Mahinmi (instead of Henson)

Why include Jay if he's just sucking out value from both of us?

BTW, I'd also inquire about what point guards you have remaining on your roster as of now. I am in need of a backup point so we can work out another deal for one if you're still overloaded at the position.

Henson would be much more valuable to me than Mahinmi, which is why I was looking to include Indy (knowing that Jay had some interest in Wade as well as an upgrade over Henson).
If Mahinmi is included, I need to retain the pick or Collins or Portis and find a third team interested in taking Mahinmi in exchange for my retained asset.

Regarding PGs, who would you be targeting? Grant is my back up PG and would not be available until deep in Free Agency. Payne and Canaan are available

[NashtyNas]

Double post.

[Spens1]

Beal.

Anyone of interest. I mean we could try for the Melo deal perhaps?

I do have Courtney Lee, Elfrid Payton, Jahlil Okafor, Marc Gasol and other knick players.

Again, can you propose what you're willing to offer? I'd love to work something around Gasol/Melo assuming he's interested in WAS and will waive his NTC as I've mentioned in the past. Beal wasn't necessarily available in such a trade but if he's someone you're interested in, I'd love to see your proposal.

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We could do something around Melo sure.

Melo for Beal + Salary filler sounds good to me

[NashtyNas]

Do you have any new wings? If not would you include a Satoransky+2nd for Jordan Mickey or Georges Niang to it? Delly makes too much for a straight swap.. Don't really want Sator at all but need to match salaries

I have added Pondexter (and traded Satoransky + 52 in the process), so I have no picks or Sato to add.

Henson would be much more valuable to me than Mahinmi, which is why I was looking to include Indy (knowing that Jay had some interest in Wade as well as an upgrade over Henson).
If Mahinmi is included, I need to retain the pick or Collins or Portis and find a third team interested in taking Mahinmi in exchange for my retained asset.

Regarding PGs, who would you be targeting? Grant is my back up PG and would not be available until deep in Free Agency. Payne and Canaan are available

If that's the case, we can work something out like this because Indy had interest in a Henson+Delly for Mahinmi swap.

CHI trades Wade, Portis, Morris, Collins, the picks for Beal, Henson
IND trades Henson + Delly for Mahinmi
WAS trades Beal for Wade, Portis, Morris, Collins, Dellavedova, the picks

[NashtyNas]

Melo for Beal + Salary filler sounds good to me

The Knicks insult the Wizards' intelligence by offering such a lopsided deal.
I wouldn't swap Beal for Melo even if you added a protected 1st rounder.
If that's the best offer the Knicks have, I'm sorry to say but they're not anywhere close value wise to getting a deal done.

[Spens1]

Melo for Beal + Salary filler sounds good to me

The Knicks insult the Wizards' intelligence by offering such a lopsided deal.
I wouldn't swap Beal for Melo even if you added a protected 1st rounder.
If that's the best offer the Knicks have, I'm sorry to say but they're not anywhere close value wise to getting a deal done.

you said make an offer look i really don't know what you want to be honest for Beal so throw us a counter offer.

[jayjaysee]

Do you have any new wings? If not would you include a Satoransky+2nd for Jordan Mickey or Georges Niang to it? Delly makes too much for a straight swap.. Don't really want Sator at all but need to match salaries

I have added Pondexter (and traded Satoransky + 52 in the process), so I have no picks or Sato to add.

Poor Q-Pon. I want that player off my bench but he's not a factor at this point imo.. And to keep a bit of realism, I can't suggest using him as the salary filler as you just traded for him. Though I guess if we have the same needs after free agency, we can make a Smith/Pon for Delly deal and pretend it's been 3 months.

Indiana would need incentive to do the Ian/Delly+Henson swap. If Chicago is willing to pay that price to turn Wade into Beal, then that's fine. But I'm only interested in that swap to use the value to get a backup 4.

[NashtyNas]

Indiana would need incentive to do the Ian/Delly+Henson swap. If Chicago is willing to pay that price to turn Wade into Beal, then that's fine. But I'm only interested in that swap to use the value to get a backup 4.

If a backup 4 is what you're looking for, the Wizards would be fine with you getting Portis in such a deal if that helps the case any.
I'd say you can have Marcus Morris from Chicago instead but I'm assuming you prefer the younger and cheaper option in Portis plus adding him while having Markieff certainly has some benefits for the Wizards.

So the final deal would look like this:

CHI trades Wade, Portis, Morris, Collins, the picks for Beal, Henson
IND trades Henson, Delly for Mahinmi, Portis
WAS trades Beal, Mahinmi for Wade, Delly, Morris, Collins, the picks

[NashtyNas]

you said make an offer look i really don't know what you want to be honest for Beal so throw us a counter offer.

Like I said, it'd have to revolve around Gasol+Melo for Beal+something because there's not much else on your roster that would interest me as a competing team looking to improve the roster.

[stitches]

No, then I prefer the Favors + Hood version actually - but I would ask for the better of the 2 picks on top considering the injury history and inconsistency attached to your players. It's fine if you won't pay such a price, it looks like I've got quite a few offers that would interest me equally if not more.
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OK, consider my offer to include the better of UTA/OKC 2018 picks. Please let me know as soon as possible, so I'd know how to procede with my free agency.