GM a Team free agency thread 2010

[bringbackhoffa]

You guys knew thtat if i wasnt able to resign lebron, i wasnt gona let him walk for nothing, i gave him a list of teams and he choose Miami. Stop being a soar bunch of losers, you both started with teams that were championship caliber and ended up trading away all ur talent for boardline future allstars.

and the lakers are still listening for offers to Dwade, but would like to package him with Jamison.Looking for allstar players on rookie contracts.

[SabasRevenge!]

I'd like to weigh in on the James signing for y'all's consideration as well.

It's a bit frustrating that about a third of the league cleared a ton of space to make a run at free agents, but every significant free agent has either re-signed with their team (including "sign" and trade).

After word of the Heat S&T was leaked (for my own consideration), took a good look at the ages of the Heat. I used the age of each player in James' first attempt at a title with his new team, the 2010/11 Playoffs.

Here's what I found:

(top ten players)

Miami
PG - Hinrich (30), Ford (28)
SG - Wade (29), House (33)
SF - Jackson (33), Hill (36)
PF - Duncan (35), Evans (31)
C - Wallace (36), Foster (34)
avg = 32.5 (total) 32.6 (starters), 32.4 (bench)

Lebron James (26)

If Wade is taken out of the equation, the only Heat rotation player below 30 is TJ Ford. Tim Duncan is wearing down and I question what sort of condition he will be in two years from the 2009 playoffs, when he battled nagging injuries. It is a huge assumption that Duncan will ever even return to his 2009 form, let alone his championship form (when he was 30 and younger). It was obvious to me that the Heat would have to begin a rebuilding process within a year or two of James' arrival and they would lack the assets/picks to surround him with quality talent. I believe that Lebron will be in the middle of a rebuilding project within two years and he will still have four years left on his contract. IMO a much more realistic transaction would have been James signing for two max years with a third year player option.

I believe that Gremz built a fantastic win-now squad - possibly the best - but it is not a team for the future. IMO a team like Indiana - with terrific talent in their 20's - would have been a much more realistic destination.

I would have understood the trade in it's original form - James for Duncan - but I don't understand it if it costs the Heat their superstar and youngest starter, who is still three years older than James.

I agree with rocdogg that this was a huge "give a dog a bone" for LA. IMO LA would have lost James for nothing with the squad that had been assembled there. As far as bbh's comments go, he had no power to not "let him walk for nothing." James had all the leverage but LA ended up getting just about the best possible outcome after trading Gasol in a salary dump and then changing course and surrounding James with very questionable and over the hill talent. Calling the teams who were bidding for him a sore bunch of losers won't engender any good will and I think we're within our rights to discuss whether one of our teams may have been a better discussion. It's all part of the game and a it's natural that discussion and questions would follow the most anticipated event in this game.

Like I mentioned earlier, James will be maxed out for the rest of his career, so the extra year and extra 2.5% a year is small change compared to his endorsements. The "extra money" argument is weak.

The city consideration has been terribly overblown because winning now AND in the future should and would be more important than more sunshine or a higher population. A multi-hundred-millionaire can live wherever they want for the rest of their life but they only have one NBA career to establish their legacy.

Overall, this has been a very fun and well run simulation, but free agency has gone out with a fizzle rather than a boom. Let the Joe Johnson sweepstakes begin!

[bringbackhoffa]

Miami wasnt the only destination i gave Lebron, any eastern conference team that approached me ie Miami, Detroit, Indiana, Chicago all had a chance(there proposals were fowarded to the commish), the only opportunity i didnt give Lebron was to sign with a western conference team that was over the cap. Even Washington was given a chance, but the player(s) i would of gotten in return wouldnt of allowed James to win a championship right away. and the way ur talking of miami's core being to old then DWade should not have been re-signed in the first place, so i thought to myself if i build a veteran team i could get him to resign or since dwade re-signed in Miami, Lebron should have no problem signing in Miami. And i did give Lebron the option of signing a deal anywhere btw 3-6yrs it was up to him. And the deal he got is essentially a 4 yr deal as he can opt out at the 5th yr.

and u shouldnt count LA out of the JJ sweepstakes if i am able to trade Dwade away for 2 rookie allstars it would allow me to clear enough cap space for him.

[calderon13]

I think the biggest mistake here was to let D-Wade and Bosh to sign extensions last year. No sought-after free agent in his right might would sign an extension in this game where there is no economic depression and no owners to handcuff the GM's spending and no real accountability on the GM's part towards the fans/owners to refrain from questionable trades.

By letting Bosh and Wade remain FA's, it would have created a lot more interesting FA season, may have forced their GM's to panic and move them thinking they may not be able to resign these guys or may have forced the GM's into putting more players around them. What these extensions ended up doing was let them GM's get content with their teams and they pretty much stayed back, chilled and did the occasional minor trade when they had to. Star players always put pressure on their GM's to put quality teams around them and even when that's done, they don't extend their contracts without first seeing how their newly revamped rosters perform.

The LA GM pretty much bullied his way through the FA process and skorf, I feel, played into his hand. It seemed as if LA GM was calling the shots regarding LeBron's possible destination instead of LeBron forcing his own free will. And a LeBron for DWade sign and trade would NEVER happen in real life. No GM would be stupid enough to give Wade away to the LA GM when they know that whatever decent return he gets for LeBron should be treated as a bonus, much less than a superstar coming back his way.

[roc]

Stop being a soar bunch of losers.

I got an idea... STFU

[bringbackhoffa]

I think the biggest mistake here was to let D-Wade and Bosh to sign extensions last year. No sought-after free agent in his right might would sign an extension in this game where there is no economic depression and no owners to handcuff the GM's spending and no real accountability on the GM's part towards the fans/owners to refrain from questionable trades.

By letting Bosh and Wade remain FA's, it would have created a lot more interesting FA season, may have forced their GM's to panic and move them thinking they may not be able to resign these guys or may have forced the GM's into putting more players around them. What these extensions ended up doing was let them GM's get content with their teams and they pretty much stayed back, chilled and did the occasional minor trade when they had to. Star players always put pressure on their GM's to put quality teams around them and even when that's done, they don't extend their contracts without first seeing how their newly revamped rosters perform.

The LA GM pretty much bullied his way through the FA process and skorf, I feel, played into his hand. It seemed as if LA GM was calling the shots regarding LeBron's possible destination instead of LeBron forcing his own free will. And a LeBron for DWade sign and trade would NEVER happen in real life. No GM would be stupid enough to give Wade away to the LA GM when they know that whatever decent return he gets for LeBron should be treated as a bonus, much less than a superstar coming back his way.

First 2 paragraphs i agree dead on, should of let all the major players become free agents and then let them choose the big market they would want to go to. and Once Orlando and Boston made it well documented that they wanted Lebron(by tampering) i paniced and tied to do some quick fixes with hedo and jamison and getting a couple of solid bench piece. and when Lebron once again made his intensions to test free agency, i contacted almost every team for sign and trade destination, and then fowarded the teams that i thought were in big markets or had a championship contending team to skorff.

Boston you could of had lebron early in the game if you offered me rondo,pierce,kg and took back lebron and probably vujacic and walton
and Orlando you could of got him for nelson,lee,dwight for the same package
and then try to build a team around him.

and the only reason i dealt pau away for expiring was cause my payroll was 90M+

[roc]

LeBron was/is (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

[bringbackhoffa]

LeBron was/is (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

so, why were u trying to sign him...

i cant see any major free agent signing with you now if you are just going to call them (Please Use More Appropriate Word) once they dont sign with you. If i were Orlando's owner you would get the axe.

and im done with this topic.
Gl to evry1 with the rest of free agency

[roc]

He was/is (Please Use More Appropriate Word) for signing up to play with a bunch of old geezers and helping out his old team that screwed any chance he had at a title while there. He is a short sighted little bitch.

and

I am not planning on signing anyone. I rescinded all my FA offers.

[MJallday59]

#1. Gremz congrats! The guy always puts together a solid team...always!


#2. Lebron wouldn't even show up to practice with the team LA put together. At one time it was Nate/Lebron/Bonner/Mbenga??

#3. I hope JJ's situation is taken under much consideration. Don't let the guy bolt because of the Lebron fiasco...

[SabasRevenge!]

and u shouldnt count LA out of the JJ sweepstakes if i am able to trade Dwade away for 2 rookie allstars it would allow me to clear enough cap space for him.

The only rookie contract all-star in the NBA is Brandon Roy and he's a RFA.

[skorff26]

Kobe Bryant resigns with Atlanta
Year 1 - 24,186,094
Year 2 - 26,725,634
Year 3 - 29,265,174
Year 4 - 30,000,000
Year 5 - 30,000,000 (ETO)

Reasons: -same reasons as before

[skorff26]

Detroit signs Tracy McGrady
Year 1 - 5,848,000
Year 2 - 6,315,840
Year 3 - 6,783,680
Year 4 - 7,251,520
Year 5 - 7,719,360

New Jersey resigns Luis Scola
Year 1 - 6,000,000
Year 2 - 6,500,00
Year 3 - 7,000,000
Year 4 - 7,500,000
Year 5 - 7,000,000

Washington signs Brandon Roy to an offer sheet (New Orleans can match)
Year 1 - 14,325,000
Year 2 - 15,471,000
Year 3 - 16,617,000
Year 4 - 17,763,000
Year 5 - 18,909,000
-Roy chose Washington because he felt that it was where he would be the best fit. He felt that the core of Ellis, Roy, Young, Griffin would be amazing for years to come. He would gladly return to New Orleans as well.

Utah resigns Ronnie Brewer
Year 1 - 5,900,000
Year 2 - 6,519,500
Year 3 - 7,139,000
Year 4 - 7,758,500
Year 5 - 8,378,000
Year 6 - 8,997,500

New Jersey signs Kyle Lowry to an offer sheet (Memphis can match)
Year 1 - 3,250,000
Year 2 - 3,510,000
Year 3 - 3,770,000
Year 4 - 4,030,000

Sacramento signs LaMarcus Aldridge to an offer sheet (Portland can match)
Year 1 - 14,325,000
Year 2 - 15,471,000
Year 3 - 16,617,000
Year 4 - 17,763,000
Year 5 - 18,909,000
-it came down to Sacramento and Minnesota; he felt that he fit better with Sacramento. LMA is really hoping Portland matches and he can stay where he is.

Milwaukee resigns Amir Johnson
Year 1 - 3,000,000
Year 2 - 3,000,000
Year 3 - 3,000,000 (player option)

[CB-Blazer]

Do we send the offers in to you? Or we post them here?

[Klomp]

Do we send the offers in to you? Or we post them here?

Send'em.

[skorff26]

Cleveland resigns Joe Johnson
Year 1 - 17,190,000
Year 2 - 18,990,000
Year 3 - 20,790,000
Year 4 - 22,590,000
Year 5 - 23,390,000
-Cleveland was willing to give JJ the money he wanted, the job security, and JJ feels that they will have a very competitive team

Memphis does NOT match the offer sheet for Kyle Lowry

Houston signs Brad Miller
Year 1 - 8,000,000

Cleveland signs Randy Foye to an offer sheet, Minnesota can match
Year 1 - 5,848,000
Year 2 - 6,315,840
Year 3 - 6,783,680
Year 4 - 7,251,520
Year 5 - 7,719,360

Washington resigns Dominic McGuire
Year 1 - 1,500,000
Year 2 - 1,500,000

Boston signs Kurt Thomas
Year 1 - 854,389

Dallas signs DeMarre Carroll with part of their MLE
Year 1 - 1,000,000
Year 2 - 1,000,000
Year 3 - 1,000,000 (team option)

[bringbackhoffa]

im sorry guys but th laker guy is going to be delayed with his signings due to be intoxicated for probably the rest of the summer since I quit my JOB. YAAAAAAAAAaa

[bcortell]

im sorry guys but th laker guy is going to be delayed with his signings due to be intoxicated for probably the rest of the summer since I quit my JOB. YAAAAAAAAAaa

(But doesn't sound like the brightest thing considering this economy)

Anyways, keep the signings coming skorf.

[SabasRevenge!]

NOH matches offer sheet for Roy.

[skorff26]

Charlotte signs Jermaine O'Neal
Year 1 - 5,848,000
Year 2 - 6,315,840
Year 3 - 6,783,680
Year 4 - 7,251,520

Orlando resigns Anthony Morrow
Year 1 - 4,000,000
Year 2 - 4,420,000
Year 3 - 4,840,000
Year 4 - 5,260,000
Year 5 - 5,680,000
Year 6 - 6,100,000 (player option)

New Jersey signs Thabo Seflosha
Year 1 - 3,500,000
Year 2 - 3,780,000
Year 3 - 4,060,000
Year 4 - 4,340,000

Miami signs Marcus Camby
Year 1 - 5,848,000
Year 2 - 6,315,840

San Antonio signs Kwame Brown
Year 1 - 3,000,000
Year 2 - 3,240,000
Year 3 - 3,480,000