Future Draft Games

[migya]

Not the most intricate idea in the world, but I'd like to try a game where you can only have a maximum of two or maybe three All-Stars. Just to shift the focus to building around a core as opposed to just loading up on talent.

This would be fun. I've said it before but I am always a fan of these types of games. I've had good success with super loaded games but they have been on the back of "Pick BPA every round".

I feel like these games often give us a warped perspective on what you need to build a great team. Voters won't accept you having enough "firepower" without a literal All-Star team, even though a) plenty of real-life teams score at an elite level with far less star power and b) it's hard enough to maximise even two stars in the same team let alone four or five. Some people do prefer the loaded teams which is cool, but for me the more realistic the better.

I suggested a couple of days ago where each participant picks one real team from say 1990 onwards and make two roster player changes while staying under the 88fgas.

Another idea is to a team using the real life minutes per game of each player for chosen season, fitting into the 48mins per position.

[JimmyPlopper]

What about a requirement that none of the players have ever played together before? So with each round it gets more and more difficult and guys who have bounced around a lot are unlikely to be picked at all

[Fadeaway_J]

What about a requirement that none of the players have ever played together before? So with each round it gets more and more difficult and guys who have bounced around a lot are unlikely to be picked at all

You could just say no repeat franchises on your roster period, which would achieve the same objective but be much more of a challenge. So if you take LeBron first, you can't use anyone who ever played for the Cavs, Heat, or Lakers.

It does feel like something we may have done before actually but I can't be bothered to check.

[Zion Wembanyama]

Before your first round pick (this won't be revealed until you're on the clock), you will be given a decade that you must select 4 out of your first 5 picks with. 1 out of the first 5 picks can be any season that's allowed in the game. Your last 3 picks cannot be a season you used for any of the first 5 picks. No accolade restrictions. 1960-2020. No multiplier.

Decades

60-69
70-79
80-89
90-99
00-09
10-20 (2020 will be added to this decade.)

Bump.

[lilroddyb]

Just throwing out an idea. Not sure if it has been done before

What about loyalty game. Were guys are punished with 1 fga for each time they have moved to another team. So guys like Kobe and Manu will have the sama amount of fga while you would add 3fga to Lebron ( went from Cle > Miami 1fga > Cle again 2fga > Lakers 3fga ) So if you choose Lebron James 2013 season you would have to add 3fga to that season so that would be 20.8 instead of 17.8

Rodman would no longer be cheap since he played for 5 teams. 1996 season would be 3.6 + 5 = 8.6

[Fadeaway_J]

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Are you still planning to run something?

[JimmyPlopper]

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Are you still planning to run something?

I was, but trying to get a feel for what everyone thought about the competition. Do you normally gather consensus first or just throw it out there and see who has interest?

Thanks for your idea by the way based on teams. That seems like a good and easy to do idea.

I like the complicated ones like lilroddy's personally but I feel for a better chance at everyone understanding the rules and being on the same page, I like your version. If it's not a consensus driven thing, I'll put together the thread.

[Fadeaway_J]

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Are you still planning to run something?

I was, but trying to get a feel for what everyone thought about the competition. Do you normally gather consensus first or just throw it out there and see who has interest?

Thanks for your idea by the way based on teams. That seems like a good and easy to do idea.

I like the complicated ones like lilroddy's personally but I feel for a better chance at everyone understanding the rules and being on the same page, I like your version. If it's not a consensus driven thing, I'll put together the thread.

We used to try for some kind of consensus, but nowadays I find that you won't really get more than a couple of people definitively endorsing an idea anyway. If it's a good idea people will sign up.

[Laimbeer]

Before your first round pick (this won't be revealed until you're on the clock), you will be given a decade that you must select 4 out of your first 5 picks with. 1 out of the first 5 picks can be any season that's allowed in the game. Your last 3 picks cannot be a season you used for any of the first 5 picks. No accolade restrictions. 1960-2020. No multiplier.

Decades

60-69
70-79
80-89
90-99
00-09
10-20 (2020 will be added to this decade.)

Bump.

I can't imagine judging a 60s team against a modern team, and I don't think they'd have much of a chance.

[Dr Positivity]

Some kind of franchise rings games - like you have 6 total rings for the franchises you pick, BOS/LA count as 6. With them, GSW and CHI at 6, the strategy could be interesting.

Or maybe another game where you're only allowed to have 3 franchises who've won a ring.

[Laimbeer]

Declining multiplier game (similar to declining percentages game) but the percentage declines with each pick. Maybe true snake?

Pick Multiplier
1 2.28
2 2.26
3 2.25
4 2.23
5 2.22
6 2.20
7 2.18
8 2.17
9 2.15
10 2.14
11 2.12
12 2.10
13 2.09
14 2.07
15 2.06
16 2.04
17 2.02
18 2.01
19 1.99
20 1.98
21 1.96
22 1.94
23 1.93
24 1.91
25 1.90
26 1.88
27 1.86
28 1.85
29 1.83
30 1.82
31 1.80
32 1.78
33 1.77
34 1.75
35 1.74
36 1.72
37 1.70
38 1.69
39 1.67
40 1.66
41 1.64
42 1.62
43 1.61
44 1.59
45 1.58
46 1.56
47 1.54
48 1.53
49 1.51
50 1.50
51 1.48
52 1.46
53 1.45
54 1.43
55 1.42
56 1.40
57 1.38
58 1.37
59 1.35
60 1.34
61 1.32
62 1.30
63 1.29
64 1.27
65 1.26
66 1.24
67 1.22
68 1.21
69 1.19
70 1.18
71 1.16
72 1.14
73 1.13
74 1.11
75 1.10
76 1.08
77 1.06
78 1.05
79 1.03
80 1.02
81 1.00
82 0.98
83 0.97
84 0.95
85 0.94
86 0.92
87 0.90
88 0.89
89 0.87
90 0.86
91 0.84
92 0.82
93 0.81
94 0.79
95 0.78
96 0.76
97 0.74
98 0.73
99 0.71
100 0.70
101 0.68
102 0.66
103 0.65
104 0.63
105 0.62
106 0.60
107 0.58
108 0.57
109 0.55
110 0.54
111 0.52
112 0.50
113 0.49
114 0.47
115 0.46
116 0.44
117 0.42
118 0.41
119 0.39
120 0.38
121 0.36
122 0.34
123 0.33
124 0.31
125 0.30
126 0.28
127 0.26
128 0.25

[Jordan Syndrome]

Some kind of franchise rings games - like you have 6 total rings for the franchises you pick, BOS/LA count as 6. With them, GSW and CHI at 6, the strategy could be interesting.

Or maybe another game where you're only allowed to have 3 franchises who've won a ring.

I like it but we are doing a franchise-based game right now.

[Jordan Syndrome]

Declining multiplier game (similar to declining percentages game) but the percentage declines with each pick. Maybe true snake?

Pick Multiplier
1 2.28
2 2.26
3 2.25
4 2.23
5 2.22
6 2.20
7 2.18
8 2.17
9 2.15
10 2.14
11 2.12
12 2.10
13 2.09
14 2.07
15 2.06
16 2.04
17 2.02
18 2.01
19 1.99
20 1.98
21 1.96
22 1.94
23 1.93
24 1.91
25 1.90
26 1.88
27 1.86
28 1.85
29 1.83
30 1.82
31 1.80
32 1.78
33 1.77
34 1.75
35 1.74
36 1.72
37 1.70
38 1.69
39 1.67
40 1.66
41 1.64
42 1.62
43 1.61
44 1.59
45 1.58
46 1.56
47 1.54
48 1.53
49 1.51
50 1.50
51 1.48
52 1.46
53 1.45
54 1.43
55 1.42
56 1.40
57 1.38
58 1.37
59 1.35
60 1.34
61 1.32
62 1.30
63 1.29
64 1.27
65 1.26
66 1.24
67 1.22
68 1.21
69 1.19
70 1.18
71 1.16
72 1.14
73 1.13
74 1.11
75 1.10
76 1.08
77 1.06
78 1.05
79 1.03
80 1.02
81 1.00
82 0.98
83 0.97
84 0.95
85 0.94
86 0.92
87 0.90
88 0.89
89 0.87
90 0.86
91 0.84
92 0.82
93 0.81
94 0.79
95 0.78
96 0.76
97 0.74
98 0.73
99 0.71
100 0.70
101 0.68
102 0.66
103 0.65
104 0.63
105 0.62
106 0.60
107 0.58
108 0.57
109 0.55
110 0.54
111 0.52
112 0.50
113 0.49
114 0.47
115 0.46
116 0.44
117 0.42
118 0.41
119 0.39
120 0.38
121 0.36
122 0.34
123 0.33
124 0.31
125 0.30
126 0.28
127 0.26
128 0.25

Similar to the Limit FGA game.

[Jordan Syndrome]

Before your first round pick (this won't be revealed until you're on the clock), you will be given a decade that you must select 4 out of your first 5 picks with. 1 out of the first 5 picks can be any season that's allowed in the game. Your last 3 picks cannot be a season you used for any of the first 5 picks. No accolade restrictions. 1960-2020. No multiplier.

Decades

60-69
70-79
80-89
90-99
00-09
10-20 (2020 will be added to this decade.)

Bump.

I can't imagine judging a 60s team against a modern team, and I don't think they'd have much of a chance.

I would say make it 80s to Now (80s, 90s, 00s, 10s) and make it so you choose your direction during the draft.

Let's say first pick is LeBron, the persons next pick is Patrick Ewing, then their 3rd pick will determine which direction the drafter wants to go.

[Laimbeer]

Spoiler:

Declining multiplier game (similar to declining percentages game) but the percentage declines with each pick. Maybe true snake?

Pick Multiplier
1 2.28
2 2.26
3 2.25
4 2.23
5 2.22
6 2.20
7 2.18
8 2.17
9 2.15
10 2.14
11 2.12
12 2.10
13 2.09
14 2.07
15 2.06
16 2.04
17 2.02
18 2.01
19 1.99
20 1.98
21 1.96
22 1.94
23 1.93
24 1.91
25 1.90
26 1.88
27 1.86
28 1.85
29 1.83
30 1.82
31 1.80
32 1.78
33 1.77
34 1.75
35 1.74
36 1.72
37 1.70
38 1.69
39 1.67
40 1.66
41 1.64
42 1.62
43 1.61
44 1.59
45 1.58
46 1.56
47 1.54
48 1.53
49 1.51
50 1.50
51 1.48
52 1.46
53 1.45
54 1.43
55 1.42
56 1.40
57 1.38
58 1.37
59 1.35
60 1.34
61 1.32
62 1.30
63 1.29
64 1.27
65 1.26
66 1.24
67 1.22
68 1.21
69 1.19
70 1.18
71 1.16
72 1.14
73 1.13
74 1.11
75 1.10
76 1.08
77 1.06
78 1.05
79 1.03
80 1.02
81 1.00
82 0.98
83 0.97
84 0.95
85 0.94
86 0.92
87 0.90
88 0.89
89 0.87
90 0.86
91 0.84
92 0.82
93 0.81
94 0.79
95 0.78
96 0.76
97 0.74
98 0.73
99 0.71
100 0.70
101 0.68
102 0.66
103 0.65
104 0.63
105 0.62
106 0.60
107 0.58
108 0.57
109 0.55
110 0.54
111 0.52
112 0.50
113 0.49
114 0.47
115 0.46
116 0.44
117 0.42
118 0.41
119 0.39
120 0.38
121 0.36
122 0.34
123 0.33
124 0.31
125 0.30
126 0.28
127 0.26
128 0.25

Similar to the Limit FGA game.

Sort of, but more flexibility. If you want to bite the bullet and take a star early, you can.

[Jordan Syndrome]

Spoiler:

Declining multiplier game (similar to declining percentages game) but the percentage declines with each pick. Maybe true snake?

Pick Multiplier
1 2.28
2 2.26
3 2.25
4 2.23
5 2.22
6 2.20
7 2.18
8 2.17
9 2.15
10 2.14
11 2.12
12 2.10
13 2.09
14 2.07
15 2.06
16 2.04
17 2.02
18 2.01
19 1.99
20 1.98
21 1.96
22 1.94
23 1.93
24 1.91
25 1.90
26 1.88
27 1.86
28 1.85
29 1.83
30 1.82
31 1.80
32 1.78
33 1.77
34 1.75
35 1.74
36 1.72
37 1.70
38 1.69
39 1.67
40 1.66
41 1.64
42 1.62
43 1.61
44 1.59
45 1.58
46 1.56
47 1.54
48 1.53
49 1.51
50 1.50
51 1.48
52 1.46
53 1.45
54 1.43
55 1.42
56 1.40
57 1.38
58 1.37
59 1.35
60 1.34
61 1.32
62 1.30
63 1.29
64 1.27
65 1.26
66 1.24
67 1.22
68 1.21
69 1.19
70 1.18
71 1.16
72 1.14
73 1.13
74 1.11
75 1.10
76 1.08
77 1.06
78 1.05
79 1.03
80 1.02
81 1.00
82 0.98
83 0.97
84 0.95
85 0.94
86 0.92
87 0.90
88 0.89
89 0.87
90 0.86
91 0.84
92 0.82
93 0.81
94 0.79
95 0.78
96 0.76
97 0.74
98 0.73
99 0.71
100 0.70
101 0.68
102 0.66
103 0.65
104 0.63
105 0.62
106 0.60
107 0.58
108 0.57
109 0.55
110 0.54
111 0.52
112 0.50
113 0.49
114 0.47
115 0.46
116 0.44
117 0.42
118 0.41
119 0.39
120 0.38
121 0.36
122 0.34
123 0.33
124 0.31
125 0.30
126 0.28
127 0.26
128 0.25

Similar to the Limit FGA game.

Sort of, but more flexibility. If you want to bite the bullet and take a star early, you can.

You're right. The FGA limit draft ended up having the caveat if taking off prime players and it left a sour taste in my mouth.

[Laimbeer]

Some kind of franchise rings games - like you have 6 total rings for the franchises you pick, BOS/LA count as 6. With them, GSW and CHI at 6, the strategy could be interesting.

Or maybe another game where you're only allowed to have 3 franchises who've won a ring.

[Laimbeer]

Just throwing out an idea. Not sure if it has been done before

What about loyalty game. Were guys are punished with 1 fga for each time they have moved to another team. So guys like Kobe and Manu will have the sama amount of fga while you would add 3fga to Lebron ( went from Cle > Miami 1fga > Cle again 2fga > Lakers 3fga ) So if you choose Lebron James 2013 season you would have to add 3fga to that season so that would be 20.8 instead of 17.8

Rodman would no longer be cheap since he played for 5 teams. 1996 season would be 3.6 + 5 = 8.6

I like it, but you have to tax at least two fga's per move to make it really matter, imo.

Or a twist on Dr P's current game with a 2 fga tax per franchise rings.

[Laimbeer]

How about not being able to use seasons with a franchise where the player reached his peak? No LAL Shaq, no Minny KG, etc. I'd include a rule that if a player won a MVP with a franchise you couldn't use that franchise, even if it's his second best franchise (I've got LeBron as too much of an advantage otherwise.)

Still, I think it will be tough near the bottom. Here are the players with really good second teams (90s and forward) that I can see.

LeBron James (LAL)
Kevin Garnett
Jimmy Butler
Kawhi Leonard
Shaquille O'Neal
Kevin Durant
Anthony Davis
Chris Paul
Jason Kidd
Paul George
Charles Barkley

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Tracy McGrady
Steve Nash

[Jordan Syndrome]

How about not being able to use seasons with a franchise where the player reached his peak? No LAL Shaq, no Minny KG, etc. I'd include a rule that if a player won a MVP with a franchise you couldn't use that franchise, even if it's his second best franchise (I've got LeBron as too much of an advantage otherwise.)

How do you determine peak? Win Shares?