Tournament of Champions 2020 (Post-Merger) - Discussion Thread

Laimbeer · Post #161 » by **Laimbeer** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:05 pm

I don't see playoff performance mentioned much. McGrady and Harden aren't typically written off as guys who couldn't win when it counted. Chris Paul is still coveted in these. People will throw it in if a player was exceptionally bad or good in the playoffs, but it's rare.

I've always thought a season was more than enough of a sample size. Draymond was highly valued in these until the notion of considering career three point shooting as opposed to the season caught on, and he plummeted. Did teams respect him more as a three point shooter in 2016 than other seasons? I honestly can't recall, but I'd be curious. Also, he's called a streaky shooter, but are there any stats for that type of thing?

Jordan Syndrome · Post #162 » by **Jordan Syndrome** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:04 pm

JimmyPlopper wrote:
Jordan Syndrome wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:
If 2016 was available for Draymond for instance: are we assuming he hits threes actually at that rate?

Draymond attempted 258 3's in the regular season and 104 in the post-season. He was streaky with 10/23 post-season games hitting 0 3's (0/29 in those 10 games from deep).

I assume over the course of a series he will hit 3's at that clip.

So when we choose a season, it's not just regular season stats that are considered, but also post-season? For instance those who are prone to choking in high pressure situations? McGrady never advancing in playoffs as the lead player, despite being very clutch in the regular season. Etc.

Also when you say "at that clip" which clip do you mean? The clip he has demonstrated over the course of his career, in a greater variety of scenarios, that he is likely to contribute? Or the single year contribution, even if at odds with career?

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wackbone · Post #163 » by **wackbone** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:56 pm

Well my list for starting PF has gotten absolutely decimated

Zion Wembanyama · Post #164 » by **Zion Wembanyama** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:42 pm

Kiwifan wrote:Go time

Jordan Syndrome · Post #165 » by **Jordan Syndrome** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:50 pm

wackbone wrote:Well my list for starting PF has gotten absolutely decimated

I still see a perfect fit available.

Kiwifan · Post #166 » by **Kiwifan** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:27 pm

Goober wrote:
MadNESS wrote:So the players year selected has to be one they won a title in correct?

yes

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Jordan Syndrome · Post #167 » by **Jordan Syndrome** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:34 pm

Wes Unseld is a great pick. He isn't a rim protector so not a fit with Dirk but his passing and post-defense is phenomenal.

wackbone · Post #168 » by **wackbone** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:20 pm

wackbone wrote:
Jon_3232 wrote:Oh ffs

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wackbone · Post #169 » by **wackbone** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:21 pm

Jordan Syndrome wrote:
wackbone wrote:Well my list for starting PF has gotten absolutely decimated

I still see a perfect fit available.

Was it Love? I love his offensive fit for sure

Zion Wembanyama · Post #170 » by **Zion Wembanyama** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:20 pm

Laimbeer wrote:I don't see playoff performance mentioned much. McGrady and Harden aren't typically written off as guys who couldn't win when it counted. Chris Paul is still coveted in these. People will throw it in if a player was exceptionally bad or good in the playoffs, but it's rare.

I've always thought a season was more than enough of a sample size. Draymond was highly valued in these until the notion of considering career three point shooting as opposed to the season caught on, and he plummeted. Did teams respect him more as a three point shooter in 2016 than other seasons? I honestly can't recall, but I'd be curious. Also, he's called a streaky shooter, but are there any stats for that type of thing?

Go time.

Laimbeer · Post #171 » by **Laimbeer** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:54 pm

It's subjective, but I preferred VanVleet over all the points after Kidd, with the possible exception of DJ. Surprised he made it back.

Dr Positivity · Post #172 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:57 pm

Laimbeer wrote:It's subjective, but I preferred VanVleet over all the points after Kidd, with the possible exception of DJ. Surprised he made it back.

DJ and Gus Williams have title seasons both better than FVV for sure but it's FGA and fit dependent

Post #173 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:12 pm

Man the deep PF pool got devastated quickly.

wackbone · Post #174 » by **wackbone** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:55 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:Man the deep PF pool got devastated quickly.

You're telling me. Multiple teams doubled up on PF in the first 5 rounds, which is pretty unheard of usually

JimmyPlopper · Post #175 » by **JimmyPlopper** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:58 pm

wackbone wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:Man the deep PF pool got devastated quickly.

You're telling me. Multiple teams doubled up on PF in the first 5 rounds, which is pretty unheard of usually

I was getting desperate and hoping to use Siakam like a bigger Tayshaun Prince lmao

wackbone · Post #176 » by **wackbone** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:46 pm

Was hoping for Serge on the way back

Jordan Syndrome · Post #177 » by **Jordan Syndrome** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:51 pm

Laimbeer wrote:It's subjective, but I preferred VanVleet over all the points after Kidd, with the possible exception of DJ. Surprised he made it back.

Why?

JimmyPlopper · Post #178 » by **JimmyPlopper** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:55 pm

Jordan Syndrome wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:It's subjective, but I preferred VanVleet over all the points after Kidd, with the possible exception of DJ. Surprised he made it back.

Why?

My guess is for proven ability to shoot from deep and play off ball. Lots of great point guards with terrible 3P shooting (according to today's standards)

Laimbeer · Post #179 » by **Laimbeer** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:18 pm

JimmyPlopper wrote:
Jordan Syndrome wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:It's subjective, but I preferred VanVleet over all the points after Kidd, with the possible exception of DJ. Surprised he made it back.

Why?

My guess is for proven ability to shoot from deep and play off ball. Lots of great point guards with terrible 3P shooting (according to today's standards)

Yes, and defense. No others in that run provided both.

wackbone · Post #180 » by **wackbone** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:21 pm

Was wondering when Posey would get picked. He is usually in the same tier as guys like Battier/Bowen/Danny Green etc, surprised to see him taken so much later than them this go around