The Franchise Draft Lockdown Draft (90s to now) - Discussion

[flaco]

Paul George is another guy who I consider to be a loser in terms of ultimate impact. Not a fan of him in the first three rounds under any circumstance.

Seems like you focus on unquantifiable psychological traits rather than stats and measurables. Good for you, but I doubt you'll convince anybody on the basis of players failing to pass your personal eye test.

For the record, George led a mediocre Pacers team featuring Lance Stephenson and Roy Hibbert to back-to-back EC Finals losing to peak LeBron, D-Wade and Bosh. Doesn't seem like a loser to me. Had a nasty injury and never regained his elite athleticism, but was still a versatile 2-way wing who doesn't need the ball in his hands to maximize his effectiveness. I'd argue he's the ultimate complementary star. The Pacers version in particular might be underrated. Was a legit 3 level scorer and an all-D first teamer prior to the injury.

[JimmyPlopper]

Paul George is another guy who I consider to be a loser in terms of ultimate impact. Not a fan of him in the first three rounds under any circumstance.

Seems like you focus on unquantifiable psychological traits rather than stats and measurables. Good for you, but I doubt you'll convince anybody on the basis of players failing to pass your personal eye test.

Fwiw, George led a mediocre Pacers team featuring Lance Stephenson and Roy Hibbert to back-to-back EC Finals losing to peak LeBron, D-Wade and Bosh. Doesn't seem like a loser to me. Had a nasty injury and never regained his elite athleticism, but was still a versatile 2-way wing who doesn't need the ball in his hands to maximize his effectiveness. I'd argue he's the ultimate complementary star. The Pacers version in particular is underrated. Was a legit 3 level scorer and an all-D first teamer prior to the injury.

It may be difficult to quantify but so is any type of real impact. Paul George slept with his teammates fiancee which ended up shattering that own players psyche and career as well as the Pacers chances of remaining as a threat.

Also I dont focus on it any more than it needs to but it's an important factor just like it is in real life

[JimmyPlopper]

It's also difficult for me to imagine Paul George as a consistent contributor in a non-primary role as would be necessary for higher level teams. He may get respectable stats but the chemistry and teams have not performed well with him in that role

[flaco]

Paul George is another guy who I consider to be a loser in terms of ultimate impact. Not a fan of him in the first three rounds under any circumstance.

Seems like you focus on unquantifiable psychological traits rather than stats and measurables. Good for you, but I doubt you'll convince anybody on the basis of players failing to pass your personal eye test.

Fwiw, George led a mediocre Pacers team featuring Lance Stephenson and Roy Hibbert to back-to-back EC Finals losing to peak LeBron, D-Wade and Bosh. Doesn't seem like a loser to me. Had a nasty injury and never regained his elite athleticism, but was still a versatile 2-way wing who doesn't need the ball in his hands to maximize his effectiveness. I'd argue he's the ultimate complementary star. The Pacers version in particular is underrated. Was a legit 3 level scorer and an all-D first teamer prior to the injury.

It may be difficult to quantify but so is any type of real impact. Paul George slept with his teammates fiancee which ended up shattering that own players psyche and career as well as the Pacers chances of remaining as a threat.

Also I dont focus on it any more than it needs to but it's an important factor just like it is in real life

Thought we were on realgm, not on TMZ.

Couldn't care less about his sex life mate. They were both consenting adults. End of story for me. Would never imagine voting against a George team on the basis of a tabloid story.

[Larry_Russell]

I obly vote against george when he is on a flaco tean

[Snakebites]

Seems like you focus on unquantifiable psychological traits rather than stats and measurables. Good for you, but I doubt you'll convince anybody on the basis of players failing to pass your personal eye test.

Fwiw, George led a mediocre Pacers team featuring Lance Stephenson and Roy Hibbert to back-to-back EC Finals losing to peak LeBron, D-Wade and Bosh. Doesn't seem like a loser to me. Had a nasty injury and never regained his elite athleticism, but was still a versatile 2-way wing who doesn't need the ball in his hands to maximize his effectiveness. I'd argue he's the ultimate complementary star. The Pacers version in particular is underrated. Was a legit 3 level scorer and an all-D first teamer prior to the injury.

It may be difficult to quantify but so is any type of real impact. Paul George slept with his teammates fiancee which ended up shattering that own players psyche and career as well as the Pacers chances of remaining as a threat.

Also I dont focus on it any more than it needs to but it's an important factor just like it is in real life

Thought we were on realgm, not on TMZ.

Couldn't care less about his sex life mate. They were both consenting adults. End of story for me. Would never imagine voting against a George team on the basis of a tabloid story.

100%

Paul George's skillset is too valuable in this format for him to be a fourth round or below pick. He gets picked in the second round often in these because you can fit him with just about any first rounder and just about any third rounder.

Intangibles like this never enter into it for me. The whole "he's a loser" argument holds less sway for me with any player I'm not asking to be a number one option, too.

It's not about what their raw talents are (responding to the Stromile Swift analogy here), it's about the statistics of what they actually did. That will always hold more sway for me than general intangibles.

That being said I'd never advocate for any kind of standardization with how teams and players are evaluated in these, this is just how I evaluate it.

[Stan]

Paul George is another guy who I consider to be a loser in terms of ultimate impact. Not a fan of him in the first three rounds under any circumstance.

Seems like you focus on unquantifiable psychological traits rather than stats and measurables. Good for you, but I doubt you'll convince anybody on the basis of players failing to pass your personal eye test.

Fwiw, George led a mediocre Pacers team featuring Lance Stephenson and Roy Hibbert to back-to-back EC Finals losing to peak LeBron, D-Wade and Bosh. Doesn't seem like a loser to me. Had a nasty injury and never regained his elite athleticism, but was still a versatile 2-way wing who doesn't need the ball in his hands to maximize his effectiveness. I'd argue he's the ultimate complementary star. The Pacers version in particular is underrated. Was a legit 3 level scorer and an all-D first teamer prior to the injury.

It may be difficult to quantify but so is any type of real impact. Paul George slept with his teammates fiancee which ended up shattering that own players psyche and career as well as the Pacers chances of remaining as a threat.

Also I dont focus on it any more than it needs to but it's an important factor just like it is in real life

This has to be the craziest argument ever used in the history of fantasy drafts.

Flaco's getting docked big time because PG slept with his teammates fiance, that's definitely going to be weighing on his teammates minds and ruining their chemistry.

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[JimmyPlopper]

Yeah for me its just about thinking about the players as they actually were.

[Fadeaway_J]

Charlotte is now locked.

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You're up.

[wackbone]

Alonzo Mourning was one of the main guys I was eyeing, no more. Still have many, many guys I am considering.

[ReggiesKnicks]

James Jones would never cheat with a teammates wife

[JimmyPlopper]

James Jones would never cheat with a teammates wife

[JimmyPlopper]

Thabo Sefolosha

Sixers are exhausted I'm afraid (Embiid, Barkley, Holiday, Iguodala)

[JimmyPlopper]

Curious to see if anyone will take a Sacramento King before the draft is over

[wackbone]

James Jones would never cheat with a teammates wife

Hey, just FYI you are allowed to pick now if you would like, even with Laimbeer's illegal pick:

"7. Players will get a maximum of a 2-hour window to make their selection when they are on the clock. If you still have not chosen a player by then, or if the player you have chosen is ineligible, you will be skipped."

[Fadeaway_J]

James Jones would never cheat with a teammates wife

Hey, just FYI you are allowed to pick now if you would like, even with Laimbeer's illegal pick:

"7. Players will get a maximum of a 2-hour window to make their selection when they are on the clock. If you still have not chosen a player by then, or if the player you have chosen is ineligible, you will be skipped."

Isn't it still flaco's pick?

[wackbone]

James Jones would never cheat with a teammates wife

Hey, just FYI you are allowed to pick now if you would like, even with Laimbeer's illegal pick:

"7. Players will get a maximum of a 2-hour window to make their selection when they are on the clock. If you still have not chosen a player by then, or if the player you have chosen is ineligible, you will be skipped."

Isn't it still flaco's pick?

Ohhhhh my bad, Laimbeer was making up for his missed Round 7 pick, not making his Round 8 pick like I assumed.

Nevermind Reggie, you are NOT the father up

[JimmyPlopper]

Hey, just FYI you are allowed to pick now if you would like, even with Laimbeer's illegal pick:

"7. Players will get a maximum of a 2-hour window to make their selection when they are on the clock. If you still have not chosen a player by then, or if the player you have chosen is ineligible, you will be skipped."

Isn't it still flaco's pick?

Ohhhhh my bad, Laimbeer was making up for his missed Round 7 pick, not making his Round 8 pick like I assumed.

Nevermind Reggie, you are NOT the father up

[JimmyPlopper]

Seems like you focus on unquantifiable psychological traits rather than stats and measurables. Good for you, but I doubt you'll convince anybody on the basis of players failing to pass your personal eye test.

Fwiw, George led a mediocre Pacers team featuring Lance Stephenson and Roy Hibbert to back-to-back EC Finals losing to peak LeBron, D-Wade and Bosh. Doesn't seem like a loser to me. Had a nasty injury and never regained his elite athleticism, but was still a versatile 2-way wing who doesn't need the ball in his hands to maximize his effectiveness. I'd argue he's the ultimate complementary star. The Pacers version in particular is underrated. Was a legit 3 level scorer and an all-D first teamer prior to the injury.

It may be difficult to quantify but so is any type of real impact. Paul George slept with his teammates fiancee which ended up shattering that own players psyche and career as well as the Pacers chances of remaining as a threat.

Also I dont focus on it any more than it needs to but it's an important factor just like it is in real life

This has to be the craziest argument ever used in the history of fantasy drafts.

Flaco's getting docked big time because PG slept with his teammates fiance, that's definitely going to be weighing on his teammates minds and ruining their chemistry.

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