NBA/ABA Decades League Discussion Thread

[bastillon]

obviously Cowens plays now 25 mins, I thought it was pretty clear

[Snakebites]

PG - Magic (38), Baron Davis (10)
SG - Jerry Sloan (36), David Thompson (12)
SF - Pippen (40), Chet Walker (8)
PF - Cowens (20), Kemp (28)
C - Dwight (35), Sampson (13)

So no, it wasn't and isn't clear.

[CellarDoor]

Alright, I missed a lot of this and it's been read by too many people now, but from now on, there's no discussion of the match-ups in detail in this thread, and there's no discussion on other match-ups than your own period. Get on AIM and talk to them, email them, whatever, but keep it out of here. The idea is for an individual's write-up and rebuttals to be the information we're using to vote. Make them prove their opponent wrong.

[Snakebites]

Alright, I missed a lot of this and it's been read by too many people now, but from now on, there's no discussion of the match-ups in detail in this thread, and there's no discussion on other match-ups than your own period. Get on AIM and talk to them, email them, whatever, but keep it out of here. The idea is for an individual's write-up and rebuttals to be the information we're using to vote. Make them prove their opponent wrong.

QFT

Seriously....

[Warspite]

I know Bill Russell never won a Finals MVP and Mikan never won a regular season MVP. In fact Mikan never got 1 MVP vote so he must have realy sucked.

Not making a ALL NBA team or winning an award because it doesnt exist at the time doesnt mean said player wasnt worthy.

Bastillons opinions are interesting but not based in reality. For example he has Magic playing 40 mpg when he played only 36mpg in his given season.

[bastillon]

in his playoff CAREER Magic AVERAGED 39.7 MPG. I don't think that's an overstatement that he'll play 38 MPG while having significantly less responsibility.

[Snakebites]

I know its a competition, but a little more civility might also be nice. A limit to the number of rebuttals is also something worth considering.

[bastillon]

come on now, would you rather watch Cavs-Lakers where both teams respecting each other or a true rivalry like Lakers-Celtics where both teams hate one another ? it's good that we have a competitive spirit, right ?

[All In The Name]

Yeah, it's already been said, but please don't discuss matchups other than your own.

Also, bastillon, I was wondering, when you pace-adjust stats, do you do it linearly (i.e. 9 assists in 90 possessions = 10 assists in 100 possesions)? I'd imagine it's not perfectly linear in reality, but I guess it's close enough to do it that way.

[Warspite]

in his playoff CAREER Magic AVERAGED 39.7 MPG. I don't think that's an overstatement that he'll play 38 MPG while having significantly less responsibility.

Doesnt matter at all

The rules are that you have to use the regular season stats. So Magic cant play more than 36 mins unless you want to play 4 on 5 with Magic on one end on his knees trying to breathe.

If you want to only use playoff stats I would have taken Laimbeer as my C as he shot 100% from 3pt land in 86. I simply would give the ball to Bill and have him shoot 3s at a 100% clip and win every game with Laimbeer avg 128ppg.

The fact is that Magic played 36mpg and so only can play 36mpg. I could care less what any player did in the playoffs with a 5-12 game sample vs mediocre teams. You dont see me useing Bernard Kings 40ppg playoff stats and no Im not suggesting Wilt will get the same quad double that he did vs Bill Russell in 67. Actualy Wilt might have avged a quad double in the 67 playoffs.

[All In The Name]

Also, bastillon, you have Cowens playing 20 MPG and Kemp 28 MPG. Per the rules, Cowens must get at least 25 MPG, so be sure to edit your minutes distribution accordingly.

[bastillon]

aitn, I do it as in your example. I'll adjust Cowens' playing time accordingly.

The rules are that you have to use the regular season stats. So Magic cant play more than 36 mins unless you want to play 4 on 5 with Magic on one end on his knees trying to breathe.

If you want to only use playoff stats I would have taken Laimbeer as my C as he shot 100% from 3pt land in 86. I simply would give the ball to Bill and have him shoot 3s at a 100% clip and win every game with Laimbeer avg 128ppg.

The fact is that Magic played 36mpg and so only can play 36mpg. I could care less what any player did in the playoffs with a 5-12 game sample vs mediocre teams. You dont see me useing Bernard Kings 40ppg playoff stats and no Im not suggesting Wilt will get the same quad double that he did vs Bill Russell in 67. Actualy Wilt might have avged a quad double in the 67 playoffs.

I don't understand your point warspite. we're talking about a sample of 7538 playoff mins. Magic in the playoffs consistently played more minutes than in the RS, that's pretty obvious for most great players. Magic has shown that he's perfectly capable of playing 2 MINS LESS THAN HIS AVERAGE MPG. I don't see how that's a problem. maybe I'm confusing smth ?

[Warspite]

aitn, I do it as in your example. I'll adjust Cowens' playing time accordingly.

The rules are that you have to use the regular season stats. So Magic cant play more than 36 mins unless you want to play 4 on 5 with Magic on one end on his knees trying to breathe.

If you want to only use playoff stats I would have taken Laimbeer as my C as he shot 100% from 3pt land in 86. I simply would give the ball to Bill and have him shoot 3s at a 100% clip and win every game with Laimbeer avg 128ppg.

The fact is that Magic played 36mpg and so only can play 36mpg. I could care less what any player did in the playoffs with a 5-12 game sample vs mediocre teams. You dont see me useing Bernard Kings 40ppg playoff stats and no Im not suggesting Wilt will get the same quad double that he did vs Bill Russell in 67. Actualy Wilt might have avged a quad double in the 67 playoffs.

I don't understand your point warspite. we're talking about a sample of 7538 playoff mins. Magic in the playoffs consistently played more minutes than in the RS, that's pretty obvious for most great players. Magic has shown that he's perfectly capable of playing 2 MINS LESS THAN HIS AVERAGE MPG. I don't see how that's a problem. maybe I'm confusing smth ?

Again we are useing players in a 12 month window not a career or 5 yr peak or a 3yr peak. I would have taken KAJ over WIlt if this is career or 10 yr peak or a 5 yr peak. I played within the rules and took a player who although flawed in his career put together for a 12 month window. I took the player with the best 12 month peak and I expect everyone else to have to play by the same rules.

Im not going to look at Magics playoff failures or his choke job in 84 nor am I looking at his injured yrs and say he cant play because hes injured. Im only going to look at what he did that yr. I understand that his role for the Lakers and for you might be differant but I also realise that no coach with your teams talent would tax Magic to 40mpg. Riley had Cooper while you have Hofers everywhere. Why play Ma tired Magic when you can play a fresh allstar?

[bastillon]

how is Magic tired in 38 MPG when he was playing more minutes than that in many seasons and he doesn't have same responsibility here ? I mean, I don't care. it might be 36 MPG, but your argument is illogical. it's not like I'm playing him 44 mins or smth.

[Warspite]

how is Magic tired in 38 MPG when he was playing more minutes than that in many seasons and he doesn't have same responsibility here ? I mean, I don't care. it might be 36 MPG, but your argument is illogical. it's not like I'm playing him 44 mins or smth.

How old are you?

I played 38mpg one season when I was 24yrs old. I cant play 5mpg now and I couldnt play at all when was 26 (blown achiles). You see when we are at differant ages we can do differant things. I cant play in my 40s the way I did in my 20s. Its a 1 yr snapshot and everything else outside that 12month window is irrelavent.
I imagine you think that your skills will never get worse or vary from yr to yr but they will.

[SamBone]

I also love how you say that Magic played with nodody in the 90's when your using 80's magic.

[SamBone]

I know its a competition, but a little more civility might also be nice. A limit to the number of rebuttals is also something worth considering.

I am sorry about all the rebuttals, it has been difficult beinmg stuck in the house with over 60 inches of snow that has hit us over the past week (with more coming Tuesday).

I am honestly just having fun rebutting all the off the wall statements my opponent is making (saying Parish is not a good shot blocker) with FACTS (like in the season I picked he was 4th in the NBA)

I will not rebutt anything else,(trying to leave room in the thread for other teams)
so sorry for all the posts

[bastillon]

How old are you?

I played 38mpg one season when I was 24yrs old. I cant play 5mpg now and I couldnt play at all when was 26 (blown achiles). You see when we are at differant ages we can do differant things. I cant play in my 40s the way I did in my 20s. Its a 1 yr snapshot and everything else outside that 12month window is irrelavent.
I imagine you think that your skills will never get worse or vary from yr to yr but they will.

but Magic playing 37 MPG in the playoffs didn't come from being tired. it was because the Lakers were blowing out opponents and Magic was icing his knees in the 4th quarter. Lakers had +11.3 efficiency differential in '87 playoffs. they went through the west with 1 loss. what did you expect ? you're punishing him because he was playing in blowouts and there was no point in keeping him in the game ?

[SamBone]

but Magic playing 37 MPG in the playoffs didn't come from being tired. it was because the Lakers were blowing out opponents and Magic was icing his knees in the 4th quarter. Lakers had +11.3 efficiency differential in '87 playoffs. they went through the west with 1 loss. what did you expect ? you're punishing him because he was playing in blowouts and there was no point in keeping him in the game ?

is this the same train of thought that says Magic dominated MJ when they defended eachother in the 1991 Finals that the Bulls won in 5 games?

[bastillon]

MJ didn't defend Magic, because he was too big of a mismatch. whenever he tried to do that, Magic abused him in the post. I presented the links. Phil put Pippen on Magic to contain him and he did a good job. what mattered the most, though, was that Worthy and Scott got injured and in that moment the series was over. I'm glad you're using illogical arguments to backup your statements. it shows who won "rebuttals"