FUTURE DRAFT GAMES - NEW THREAD 2/21/22

[Larry_Russell]

Derrick Rose Draft

Any player who played for Chicago Knicks Detroit Minnesota Memphis Cleveland

Top end talent would include LeBron MJ Garnett Wade Hill Edwards Pippen Tracy Vince Butler Ewing Gilmore Towns Frazier Reed Billups Morant Rose McAdoo Gasols Isaiah Lanier Kyrie Price, among others

seems fitting with his recent retirement

[flaco]

Derrick Rose Draft

Any player who played for Chicago Knicks Detroit Minnesota Memphis Cleveland

Top end talent would include LeBron MJ Garnett Wade Hill Edwards Pippen Tracy Vince Butler Ewing Gilmore Towns Frazier Reed Billups Morant Rose McAdoo Gasols Isaiah Lanier Kyrie Price, among others

Going from the names on that list, we might have to consider ABBBABAB or even ABBBBBBB instead of our usual ABBABABA? MJ and LeBron are hands down the 2 best players. KG likely ranks 3rd, but he's better suited as a 2nd option.

[durantbird]

Derrick Rose Draft

Any player who played for Chicago Knicks Detroit Minnesota Memphis Cleveland

Top end talent would include LeBron MJ Garnett Wade Hill Edwards Pippen Tracy Vince Butler Ewing Gilmore Towns Frazier Reed Billups Morant Rose McAdoo Gasols Isaiah Lanier Kyrie Price, among others

Going from the names on that list, we might have to consider ABBBABAB or even ABBBBBBB instead of our usual ABBABABA? MJ and LeBron are hands down the 2 best players. KG likely ranks 3rd, but he's better suited as a 2nd option.

Yeah you are correct, I thought about it too. We might just decide we exclude LeBron and MJ altogether, but that will make KG and Wade clear BPAs. Although might be less of an imposing advantage.

[Larry_Russell]

Derrick Rose Draft

Any player who played for Chicago Knicks Detroit Minnesota Memphis Cleveland

Top end talent would include LeBron MJ Garnett Wade Hill Edwards Pippen Tracy Vince Butler Ewing Gilmore Towns Frazier Reed Billups Morant Rose McAdoo Gasols Isaiah Lanier Kyrie Price, among others

Going from the names on that list, we might have to consider ABBBABAB or even ABBBBBBB instead of our usual ABBABABA? MJ and LeBron are hands down the 2 best players. KG likely ranks 3rd, but he's better suited as a 2nd option.

Yeah you are correct, I thought about it too. We might just decide we exclude LeBron and MJ altogether, but that will make KG and Wade clear BPAs. Although might be less of an imposing advantage.

Just exclude MJ and LEbron.

Then a normal draft. Wade and KG have clear flaws in their games, imo, that can be overcome with good team building.

[Laimbeer]

Derrick Rose Draft

Any player who played for Chicago Knicks Detroit Minnesota Memphis Cleveland

Top end talent would include LeBron MJ Garnett Wade Hill Edwards Pippen Tracy Vince Butler Ewing Gilmore Towns Frazier Reed Billups Morant Rose McAdoo Gasols Isaiah Lanier Kyrie Price, among others

Going from the names on that list, we might have to consider ABBBABAB or even ABBBBBBB instead of our usual ABBABABA? MJ and LeBron are hands down the 2 best players. KG likely ranks 3rd, but he's better suited as a 2nd option.

Yeah you are correct, I thought about it too. We might just decide we exclude LeBron and MJ altogether, but that will make KG and Wade clear BPAs. Although might be less of an imposing advantage.

I'd agree there's just too big a drop after them. Maybe just exclude multiple MVP winners to make it official? Makes for a much more even pool, imo. The teams might look downright normal.

[flaco]

If we include his college days, we also get Penny Hardaway. Useful player, but nowhere near the MJ/LeBron level.

A couple of alternatives keeping the D-Rose theme intact:

- Only players D-Rose faced throughout his NBA career are eligible. Basically everybody who played from 2009 till now. We can select players that came into the league before 2009 but the season we choose cannot be before 2008-09.

- Players who have made the All-NBA teams must have won MVP or ROY in order to be eligible (like D-Rose did). Let's say 2000 to now or whatever you guys want.

Maybe we force all teams to select at least one D-Rose teammate (or D-Rose himself).

[durantbird]

If we include his college days, we also get Penny Hardaway. Useful player, but nowhere near the MJ/LeBron level.

A couple of alternatives keeping the D-Rose theme intact:

- Only players D-Rose faced throughout his NBA career are eligible. Basically everybody who played from 2009 till now. We can select players that came into the league before 2009 but the season we choose cannot be before 2008-09.

- Players who have made the All-NBA teams must have won MVP or ROY in order to be eligible (like D-Rose did). Let's say 2000 to now or whatever you guys want.

Maybe we force all teams to select at least one D-Rose teammate (or D-Rose himself).

We can maybe do a Derrick Rose scavenger hunt draft:
1. One time MVP or one time All NBA First
2. Got 6MOY votes (selected in the year they did)
3. Played for Chicago
4. Played for Cleveland
5. Played for Memphis
6. Played for Minnesota
7. Played for New York
8. Played for Detroit

Other optional categories: 1 to 3 All Star selections; Got MIP votes; Traveller (played for 6 franchises); Rookie of the Year winner (in rookie year); Missed a season.

We can make categories 3-8 a requirement for a season in those franchises rather than just "played for". We can add a few more non-franchise themed categories by requiring for example one fulfills 5 out of 6, 4 out of 6 etc franchise categories, instead of 6 out of 6.

[Snakebites]

Derrick Rose Draft

Any player who played for Chicago Knicks Detroit Minnesota Memphis Cleveland

Top end talent would include LeBron MJ Garnett Wade Hill Edwards Pippen Tracy Vince Butler Ewing Gilmore Towns Frazier Reed Billups Morant Rose McAdoo Gasols Isaiah Lanier Kyrie Price, among others

seems fitting with his recent retirement

If you don’t limit it to seasons for that franchise you also get Shaq. Possibly others- too lazy to look and see who else had uninspiring stints with those franchises.

[flaco]

Derrick Rose Draft

Any player who played for Chicago Knicks Detroit Minnesota Memphis Cleveland

Top end talent would include LeBron MJ Garnett Wade Hill Edwards Pippen Tracy Vince Butler Ewing Gilmore Towns Frazier Reed Billups Morant Rose McAdoo Gasols Isaiah Lanier Kyrie Price, among others

seems fitting with his recent retirement

If you don’t limit it to seasons for that franchise you also get Shaq. Possibly others- too lazy to look and see who else had uninspiring stints with those franchises.

Good catch! We forgot about Cavs Shaq. I assume db already counts seasons for other franchises cause otherwise Wade wouldn't have been on the list. Seems like a serviceable pool, but I'd strongly consider changing our usual ABBABABA.

[durantbird]

seems fitting with his recent retirement

If you don’t limit it to seasons for that franchise you also get Shaq. Possibly others- too lazy to look and see who else had uninspiring stints with those franchises.

Good catch! We forgot about Cavs Shaq. I assume db already counts seasons for other franchises cause otherwise Wade wouldn't have been on the list. Seems like a serviceable pool, but I'd strongly consider changing our usual ABBABABA.

I actually lean more towards the scavenger hunt version. I think it would be an interesting format here and balanced as well, and I think making the franchise categories having to use a season in each of Rose's franchises would be good enough.

[Laimbeer]

If we include his college days, we also get Penny Hardaway. Useful player, but nowhere near the MJ/LeBron level.

A couple of alternatives keeping the D-Rose theme intact:

- Only players D-Rose faced throughout his NBA career are eligible. Basically everybody who played from 2009 till now. We can select players that came into the league before 2009 but the season we choose cannot be before 2008-09.

- Players who have made the All-NBA teams must have won MVP or ROY in order to be eligible (like D-Rose did). Let's say 2000 to now or whatever you guys want.

Maybe we force all teams to select at least one D-Rose teammate (or D-Rose himself).

We can maybe do a Derrick Rose scavenger hunt draft:
1. One time MVP or one time All NBA First
2. Got 6MOY votes (selected in the year they did)
3. Played for Chicago
4. Played for Cleveland
5. Played for Memphis
6. Played for Minnesota
7. Played for New York
8. Played for Detroit

Other optional categories: 1 to 3 All Star selections; Got MIP votes; Traveller (played for 6 franchises); Rookie of the Year winner (in rookie year); Missed a season.

We can make categories 3-8 a requirement for a season in those franchises rather than just "played for". We can add a few more non-franchise themed categories by requiring for example one fulfills 5 out of 6, 4 out of 6 etc franchise categories, instead of 6 out of 6.

I'd rather we not loosen the restriction on hitting all teams in 3-8 and also it should be seasons with the franchise. If it's four or five of six people will have too much leeway in drafting the starters they want.

ROY is interesting for #2. You'd probably have to invest some fga's and need to get a player who isn't just 8 minutes.

[MadNESS]

We can do the Deke draft next. RIP.

[Snakebites]

We can do the Deke draft next. RIP.

Holy hell.

Super sad.

[Snakebites]

If we're gonna do it I think the only viable way would be with the scavenger hunt approach- and that approach doesn't appear to be particularly popular.

1 Nugget
1 Hawk
1 Sixer
1 Net
1 Knick
1 Rocket
1 guy with DPOY votes
1 guy with ROY votes- this is the only way I can think of that gives everyone an MVP level guy

Something like that. Maybe include the multiple MVP stipulation to eliminate Jokic from the pool.

It's a shallow pool though. The late great Deke played for multiple franchises that don't get a lot of burn in this. But that could make it interesting.

[Fadeaway_J]

If we're gonna do it I think the only viable way would be with the scavenger hunt approach- and that approach doesn't appear to be particularly popular.

1 Nugget
1 Hawk
1 Sixer
1 Net
1 Knick
1 Rocket
1 guy with DPOY votes
1 guy with ROY votes- this is the only way I can think of that gives everyone an MVP level guy

Something like that. Maybe include the multiple MVP stipulation to eliminate Jokic from the pool.

It's a shallow pool though. The late great Deke played for multiple franchises that don't get a lot of burn in this. But that could make it interesting.

You could just say DPOY winner instead of DPOY votes. That brings in MJ, Hakeem, Robinson, Kawhi, Giannis, KG, and Dwight, plus it's easier to research.

The other category could be something like "NBA finalist with two different franchises".

[Snakebites]

If we're gonna do it I think the only viable way would be with the scavenger hunt approach- and that approach doesn't appear to be particularly popular.

1 Nugget
1 Hawk
1 Sixer
1 Net
1 Knick
1 Rocket
1 guy with DPOY votes
1 guy with ROY votes- this is the only way I can think of that gives everyone an MVP level guy

Something like that. Maybe include the multiple MVP stipulation to eliminate Jokic from the pool.

It's a shallow pool though. The late great Deke played for multiple franchises that don't get a lot of burn in this. But that could make it interesting.

You could just say DPOY winner instead of DPOY votes. That brings in MJ, Hakeem, Robinson, Kawhi, Giannis, KG, and Dwight, plus it's easier to research.

The other category could be something like "NBA finalist with two different franchises".

That's much better.

I had completed forgotten Dikembe was on the Nets when they reached the finals. That's perfect. No need to eliminate Jokic when you also have Jordan, Hakeem, Lebron, Robinson, Kawhi, KG, in the game. Absolutely INSANE that Duncan never won a DPOY.

Not sure how many other notable guys besides Lebron are added in that other category, I'd need to research that more to see if there's enough guys for that one.

[Fadeaway_J]

If we're gonna do it I think the only viable way would be with the scavenger hunt approach- and that approach doesn't appear to be particularly popular.

1 Nugget
1 Hawk
1 Sixer
1 Net
1 Knick
1 Rocket
1 guy with DPOY votes
1 guy with ROY votes- this is the only way I can think of that gives everyone an MVP level guy

Something like that. Maybe include the multiple MVP stipulation to eliminate Jokic from the pool.

It's a shallow pool though. The late great Deke played for multiple franchises that don't get a lot of burn in this. But that could make it interesting.

You could just say DPOY winner instead of DPOY votes. That brings in MJ, Hakeem, Robinson, Kawhi, Giannis, KG, and Dwight, plus it's easier to research.

The other category could be something like "NBA finalist with two different franchises".

That's much better.

I had completed forgotten Dikembe was on the Nets when they reached the finals. That's perfect. No need to eliminate Jokic when you also have Jordan, Hakeem, Lebron, Robinson, Kawhi, KG, in the game. Absolutely INSANE that Duncan never won a DPOY.

Not sure how many other notable guys besides Lebron are added in that other category, I'd need to research that more to see if there's enough guys for that one.

Shaq and KD as well

[Snakebites]

You could just say DPOY winner instead of DPOY votes. That brings in MJ, Hakeem, Robinson, Kawhi, Giannis, KG, and Dwight, plus it's easier to research.

The other category could be something like "NBA finalist with two different franchises".

That's much better.

I had completed forgotten Dikembe was on the Nets when they reached the finals. That's perfect. No need to eliminate Jokic when you also have Jordan, Hakeem, Lebron, Robinson, Kawhi, KG, in the game. Absolutely INSANE that Duncan never won a DPOY.

Not sure how many other notable guys besides Lebron are added in that other category, I'd need to research that more to see if there's enough guys for that one.

Shaq and KD as well

Oh wow. Now we're at the point where I'd probably want more players to make this one viable.

We'll see what happens. As I said, the scavenger hunt premise didn't look like it was particularly popular with respect to D-Rose, and there can be no question as to starting this one until the MVP decade draft is finished or just about finished.

[durantbird]

I thought what could be interesting with Dikembe is:

1 guy with at least 5 All Defense
1 guy who was born in a country producing maximum one All Star / All NBA

[Snakebites]

I thought what could be interesting with Dikembe is:

1 guy with at least 5 All Defense
1 guy who was born in a country producing maximum one All Star / All NBA

That eliminates Germany, Serbia, France, Spain, Nigeria, Canada

Deke's biggest accomplishment IMO is winning 4 DPOYs. That really should be a factor in some way IMO.