NBA/ABA Decades League Discussion Thread

[CellarDoor]

Bast, War:

I'm deleting posts made concerning the arguments after mine. Start a thread on the PC board or wait to see if you face one another.

[BlackIce]

Come on guys keep it in the other thread.

[SamBone]

MJ didn't defend Magic, because he was too big of a mismatch. whenever he tried to do that, Magic abused him in the post. I presented the links. Phil put Pippen on Magic to contain him and he did a good job. what mattered the most, though, was that Worthy and Scott got injured and in that moment the series was over. I'm glad you're using illogical arguments to backup your statements. it shows who won "rebuttals"

again like I said over and over again. Magis as good as he was could not carry a team as the #1 option

You have yet to factually win any arguement that your team can take advantage of

[SabasRevenge!]

I know its a competition, but a little more civility might also be nice. A limit to the number of rebuttals is also something worth considering.

One rebuttal is reasonable to me... and the initial write up should not be written as a rebuttal, quoting an opponent's write up. Rather, it should be an original article that stands alone. One write up (only referencing match ups/strategy, not quoting an opponent) and one rebuttal (responding only to an opponent's write up, not a rebuttal to a rebuttal...) would keep things more orderly.

Are we voting on match ups that we're not participating in or will outside judges decide this round?

[Warspite]

How old are you?

I played 38mpg one season when I was 24yrs old. I cant play 5mpg now and I couldnt play at all when was 26 (blown achiles). You see when we are at differant ages we can do differant things. I cant play in my 40s the way I did in my 20s. Its a 1 yr snapshot and everything else outside that 12month window is irrelavent.
I imagine you think that your skills will never get worse or vary from yr to yr but they will.

but Magic playing 37 MPG in the playoffs didn't come from being tired. it was because the Lakers were blowing out opponents and Magic was icing his knees in the 4th quarter. Lakers had +11.3 efficiency differential in '87 playoffs. they went through the west with 1 loss. what did you expect ? you're punishing him because he was playing in blowouts and there was no point in keeping him in the game ?

Im going to try to answer this again please understand Im trying the act the part of a referee not a player.

1. We are useing regular season stats as the basis for this game.
2. We are following rules. You cant just change the rules of the game at halftime because you dont like them. I dont much differance between you saying Magic can play 40 mpg and I saying Wilt can score 100pts. They both happened at some point in time but neither happened in the timeframe of this game. Im not bringing up Wilts 100pt game nor Kings 40ppg playoffs (in the season I selected) for the same reason that rules dont allow it. Nor can SamBoone say all his baskets count as 4 pts and yours as 1pt. Neither can Connie Hawkins GM use his Rucker league avg.

According to your post are you telling me Magic has to play 40mpg because his team is always loseing? Its your job to build a bench and to use your players as they did historicaly. Aagin why would you want a tired exhausted, gased Magic playing instead fo a fresh and healthy B Diddy? If you didntthink B diddy could outplay a tired and exhausted Magic wthen why didnt you draft a PG that could? I drafted Tiny archibald with my 9th pick and his stats arent that bad.

[All In The Name]

SabasRevenge!, we are using outside judges only this round.

As far as the debate over what exactly is meant by one-year peaks, we are using statistics from one specific regular season. The regular season is more important for the purposes of this competition. For example, if a player goes 6-30 from downtown during the regular season, he should not be considered a threat from beyond the arc, even if he happened to hit 6 of 12 threes during the postseason that same year.

Still, that is not to say that the playoffs should be completely disregarded. If a player had a terrific postseason run during his selected season, leading his team to a championship, that can and should be taken into consideration.

Also, whether a player improved in a certain area of the game after his selected season or declined in some way prior to that season is irrelevant. Players are being judges as they were THAT PARTICULAR SEASON. That doesn't mean you can't expect someone who carried the offensive load in real life to expend less energy on that end in an ATL context (thus improving his defense in most cases), but it does mean that a player should not be given credit for being named to All-Defensive teams only after his selected season.

Hope this clears some things up.

[Warspite]

Just want to say there are some great writeups but many of the rebuttals are just plain mean and nasty. Please figure out a way to disagree and not be aholes. I can read the anger, frustration and ruthlessness in your posts. Concede your weakness, point out your strengths and simply agree to disagree.

What I do is assume that tsherkin or True LA Fan are going to read my writeup. Im not trying to convince 14yr old girls who only watch the allstar game. If my opponet says something stupid or outlandish I simply dismiss it or disagree politely because I believe my judges are not idiots and can see through it. Theres no need to answer a charge that MJ cant play defense or that Steve Nash cant shoot or that Bill Russell cant rebound. It also makes no sense to make such a charge if you want to be believed.

[BlackIce]

Do you truely believe my Baylor comments were that outlandish? I supported most of my stuff with facts when possible I was surprised by your critique of my writeup to be honest.

[Warspite]

Do you truely believe my Baylor comments were that outlandish? I supported most of my stuff with facts when possible I was surprised by your critique of my writeup to be honest.

To be honest i just wanted to help you because I was afraid you would lose on that one issue alone. I wish I had your email and would have given you some friendly advice. To be honest my jaw dropped. if you think Baylor is nor more explosive or athletic than Magic more power to you. I always thought of Baylor as a poor mans LBJ and it sounded like you wanted to put Billups on LBJ because Billups did well vs Jason Kidd. In hindsight I most likely would have done the same thing but I wouldnt have tried to sell it like you did. My mistake was that I had no business saying what I did. I tried to help you but I came off out of line and I apologise.

[BlackIce]

Not at all I don't mind, my email is: allstar_1264@hotmail.com and my AIM is: kingblackice1991. Add me. That goes for anyone in this comp.

[SabasRevenge!]

Who are our judges for the first round?

[All In The Name]

ronnymac, r0cd0gg, dcash, and I'm still looking for a couple more.

[bastillon]

hey, if there are no judges why don't we judge other matchups ? there's certainly gonna be much more effort and I think we read each other's write-ups so we know what's going on. I thought it's the way it's gonna be, but was quiet since I thought you guys are veterans and know what you're doing. now I'm thinking maybe it's pointless to involve other people when we are perfectly capable of judging these teams ourselves. what do you think ?

[SabasRevenge!]

hey, if there are no judges why don't we judge other matchups ? there's certainly gonna be much more effort and I think we read each other's write-ups so we know what's going on. I thought it's the way it's gonna be, but was quiet since I thought you guys are veterans and know what you're doing. now I'm thinking maybe it's pointless to involve other people when we are perfectly capable of judging these teams ourselves. what do you think ?

I like the idea of participants weighing in on match ups that aren't in their group, but to be quite frank I'd rather have judges who are reputable PC board posters decide the outcomes if there are enough qualified ones. They are likely to be more familiar with non-modern players and pro basketball history.

[bryant08]

^Well we can't wait much longer. I've been in contact with quite a few posters from the PC board, none of which are available to judge this round.

[BlackIce]

^Well we can't wait much longer. I've been in contact with quite a few posters from the PC board, none of which are available to judge this round.

Yup me as well, I am fine with roc, ronny and dcash to be honest, with voters from the game in the next rounds perhaps? It's allinthename's call.

[bastillon]

all in the name, you gotta make a decision. do we go by 3 judges just bc they're out of this competition or do we go by users who are more familiar with this situation and can produce much better explanation and give more effort doing it ? I mean, cmon, to me, it's seems like a no-brainer. nothing against these guys, but it'll go faster, we have our motivation and bias won't be as bad since the explanation will still be here. you know what I'm sayin ?

[All In The Name]

I've decided to go with the 3 outside judges this round, no peer judging. In future rounds, we will have the 3 outside judges in addition to eliminated posters.

[roc]

I thought I would only be needed for 1 round. TBH I don't think it is fair to everyone if I don't do write ups which I am just not that motivated to be dealing with at this time.

IMO it would probably be better for everyone if I wasn't judging since I won't have that much time to spend.

[bastillon]

I've decided to go with the 3 outside judges this round, no peer judging. In future rounds, we will have the 3 outside judges in addition to eliminated posters.

3 judges, 1 of which isn't even posting his write-ups ? that doesn't seem right, especially since we've been waiting for a long time and there's only Ronnymac who showed up with his write-ups. it is what it is, man, but I don't think we need that.

also, how much time do you give them ? it's gonna be a week soon