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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Rankings 

Post#21 » by TMACFORMVP » Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:13 am

Sorry for not getting these in yesterday, had to do some stuff last night, so had to resume today. I'd like to say that my rankings mean nothing, b/c I don't remember the last time I had so much trouble w/ ranking teams. I think outside a few top end/bottom end, alot of the teams in the middle did very good, similar jobs. The other day, a normal from one of these games, bness IM'd me, and told me this was the most parity he's ever seen in the game; and looking at that extensively now, I couldn't agree more. In fact, I had so much trouble w/ these rankings, that a lot of them were just random; so if you feel you were ranked lowly, then I apologize, because, seriously over half my rankings are completely and utterly random. Thought was certainly put in, but it's almost the only option when you can't come to a decision. I was a supporter of this sort of ranking, but I'd seriously put it as like Top 5, Tier 2, Tier 3 sort thing... I think for the most part, everyone did a very good job, and thanks to Kees for running a smooth game.

Charlotte Bobcats - MJallday is my guy! Kees mentioned something about the rankings being done this way since "the dinosaurs," and I thought damn, I've been playing Be A GM since nearly 2007? Thinking back to the guys that were in those games too was MJ was always there, and always been a great GM, but really did an exceptional job here. Charlotte is prob the toughest situation in the game, and to come away with two nice superstars, and a solid SG rotation, is awesome. I'm not a fan of Kaman at all, but he's serviceable enough, and Udoh has some talent as well (at the very least compliments Kaman upfront).

Houston Rockets - Ok. I probably talked to moss more than anyone in this game (no wonder he did so good, I KID :) ); and I think the Rockets finally have a direction, and one of the brightest futures in the league. Gallinari is underrated; just because he's Euro, and white, does NOT mean he's a bad defender. I don't know how many times I've seen that, Gallinari is an above average defender, and a player that was offensively doing 17-18 PPG on 60+% TS (should be rewarded with an all-star birth, IMO). Anyways, that rant aside, I love what I see from Thompson, and he's a terrific fit next to Lopez; Wall has the potential to become a franchise player, and think Henderson as he improves his range, and adds to his impeccable off the ball game, will be a terrific fit as well. Upgraded at every position, dangerously young, and has underrated depth. And he seriously might have broken the trade record in this game; 75 trades, holy ****.

New Orleans Hornets - So, BI plays nearly every game, and you can pretty much chalk him down for a minimum top 3 finish. This is probably DISAPPOINTING for BI, that's how good he's been in these games, and that theme of "goodness" has continued in this one. LMA/Bogut is just nasty, Conley is a stud, as is Chandler. Fields fills his role, and all BI had to deal w/ was EG, and a few picks -- the bench could be a little better, but considering what BI had to start with, and the end product, we can let that slide. Awesome job, by a BEAST GM, arguably the best, ever.

Milwaukee Bucks - Acquired just ridiculous depth, got a stud in Westbrook, and has an insanely bright future. Milwaukee was a team w/ one guy with big value in Bogut, and a guy that gets underrated (unfortunately, by myself even) in Jennings. Now a team that has an insane amount amount of talent, and that BRIGHT a future. Riot did a fantastic job.

Sacramento Kings - I'll admit, I wasn't on the bandwagon at first, thought it was too much to give for Howard when you're Sacramento, and got less value than he gave out when he traded Howard away. But after that point, just began to start owning trades. Drummond is a franchise talent, Sullinger is a potentially nice fit, really liked the Thornton trade near the end; DD, Beasley, Knight, and Lee is a lot more spread out talent as well.

Orlando Magic - When you take the Magic, you're pretty much in a situation where you're gonna have to trade Howard (happened to me when I had them a couple games ago as well). You're also gonna get lowballed, because the offering team isn't going to give up huge value b/c they have to resign Howard as well. Fortunately, Arenas was amnestied, so it made it slightly easier to work with, but Orlando is a complete mess. Getting a Lawson/Gay/Horford trio is a terrific core, especially when you keep in mind that Howard WOULD leave. I liked the Asik trade, the Rush signing was good, not sold on the Thornton deal, but a really nice core.

Los Angeles Clippers - Didn't trade his three main guys with value (Butler, and Billups have 'meh' value, IMO). Got Crash, whose an awesome fit, Klay, whose looked awesome shooting the ball, and Blair for virtually nothing. Just a solid job.

Los Angeles Lakers - Dwight is a mega-star, getting him to LA, and pairing him w/ Kobe, and Nash; the ageless one is a team that's likely going to win a title. I thought the Brand signing was terrific, and Prince needs a change of scenery to return to a role he's more comfortable in, and I was absolutely kicking myself for not getting the deal he did for Chalmers. Crispy, has always been since I can remember; one of the absolute best in this game, no doubt, will only pull the deal when it's absolutely beneficial for him. I think we had maybe one conversation the entire game "Me: You want Dahntay Jones" "Him: For Salmons, sure." ".......". Didn't even try to counter offer, a man that knows what he wants. Respect. lol

Miami Heat - Normally, I don't have Miami this high, but I really like the job that was done here. Harden is awesome, I have hard-on for him, get it? So funny. But seriously, there are MUCH worse Wade replacements, Love was a terrific get, and to upgrade the center position to Gortat, and Valaciunas was brilliant. And, while some have commented that PG could be upgraded a little more, I actually really like Teague...I'm a loser that still follows McGrady, so I've seen my share of Hawks games this year, and he's got a real nice set three pointer, can get to the rim at will -- and while not a deadly playmaker, isn't needed w/ having Harden and LeBron on the wings.

San Antonio Spurs - Really like the job done here. Zbo/Noah really compliment each other upfront, same with the perimeter players Kees put together. Jennings is having a good season, and some solid depth/youth prospects coming off the bench. But please, for the love of god, put Tony Allen at the 3, and KMart at the 2, lol. :D

Atlanta Hawks - luke had how many weeks in this game? Just a couple, and did an AWESOME job. Got younger, got an All-Star young center, and other very nice pieces, winning all of his trades, IMO. It would have been great to see if luke had been able to take the team before FA; then Deron would have likely stayed, IMO, and the team goes from a legitimate playoff contender to one of the favorites in the Eastern Conference.

Dallas Mavericks - I do think the whole Dallas being a mess thing is slightly overblown, it's not that much different from the Mavs in real life. However, Karma did a terrific job getting value for Melo, and picking a direction. I think that was moreso the issue w/ the Dallas team that was inherited -- it had no sense of direction and a franchise player that was more geared to win now, w/ a team that couldn't do that. Now, Karma was able to acquire a core young player at every position, and still had some solid vets to be a good team for the present -- I'm a big fan of Williams, Turner's game, and believe in Biyombo's potential. Lotta nice PG prospects too, awesome job.

Washington Wizards - OK, I'm not huge on Batum's contract, but it was what was needed to secure him as a RFA. Good enough reason? Maybe, but that's not going to overshadow the fact he's an AWESOME fit w/ Washington's roster, and has very high potential. Irving/Cousins, I like more than Wall/McGee, and the rest of the team is filled w/ really nice fitting role players. The Wizards are currently a dysfunctional team with a team full of morons. This team is filled w/ role playing guys that all fit together, play their roles, and let's not forget that Washington DID take into account the future extensions of his two main guys. It's a team that can make the playoffs in the current day, and will only get scarier in the future. A good job, for SURE.

Chicago Bulls - Really love the team RR9 put together, arguably the best team in the league. Pierce is still a top SF, Rondo isn't Rose, but he's very good himself. Thabo, with Smith probably make him the most imposing defensive team in the league; Gasol is still an all-star sort player, and Terry off the bench, with Gibson is sick. A team that can win the championship with very good players all round.

New York Knicks - Needed a little more time, IMO. Dirk at SF isn't ideal, but I think he's tremendously improved the talent of the team, and can still be a contender in the Eastern Conference, which is more that can be said about the current Knicks squad. I mean, there's certainly no Linsanity, but has a lot of very good assets, with a ridiculously talented squad. I mean, even if you wanna run a 3 man rotation with Dirk, Okafor, Bosh, and have Lamb/Hill, and Lowry sort in the backcourt, you're talking about a very good team.

Indiana Pacers - Iggy/Granger have been dying to team up together. Amar'e despite his struggles, with a change of scenery is probably back at the level of previous seasons; however, I don't like him at full time center defensively, and don't think West appropriately makes up for his weaknesses. Billups, and good FA signings make the team a contender; how much better is it from the real life Pacers? I'm not sure, sacrificed a bit of the future w/out George and Hibbert, but a contender, no doubt.

Boston Celtics - I think when you have DWade, it's never a BAD idea to try to clear cap and go for the gold (Dwight/Deron). Unfortunately, it didn't work out, but made some nice signings, Duncan/KG, whilst old, are still very productive (and frankly, I have a man crush on Duncan), with decent depth -- the future isn't terribly bright, but it's essentially a different look sort C's.

Memphis Grizzlies - I LOVE George/Monroe, that's a good duo now, but a deadly one in the future. The depth is nice as well; I think could have done a little more in terms of consolidation/assets the Grizzlies had, but overall, solid job.

Portland Trailblazers - I thought was one of the GM's that just made very good trades all game -- however; I'm not sure I would have went to the rebuild w/ the situation that was already there (LMA, Gay, Nene frontcourt at one point). But now has a solid young team with good potential; I'm a huge fan of Kawhi's and Kanter's game.

Philadelphia 76ers - I think Parker and Ellis are two of the more UNDERRATED guys in the league, because a.) no one talks about Parker, b.) bash Ellis on misconceptions about his game. I liked the conventional lineup, but I'm not sold the team has taken the next step for competing for the title, and has sacrificed some of the future.

Minnesota Timberwolves - I loved the Bougt/Rubio/Love sort trio, w/ role players like T.Allen. I don't think there was a hit in actual value w/ the Love trade, but it wasn't completely necessary. Nonetheless, Davis has monster potential, and there's terrific depth all round to become a team that can contend in the future depending on Davis's potential.

Denver Nuggets - I don't think there was a bad job done here, but I think Gallo could have potentially fetched more than JJ. I'm not sure the team neccessarily improved for the current, but the payroll, and future were sacrificed to keep a similar caliber team.

Oklahoma City Thunder - This one is tough, OKC is probably the toughest to rank in these games -- loaded w/ assets; I like Chandler more than Perkins (I think Perkins is severely overrated), but their value is closer considering contracts. The downgrade at PG has been mentioned, but IMO, the trade that hurt the most was trading Harden for Kevin Martin, which was subsequently traded for cap-space. Harden, IMO, has top 5 SG value in the league, and trading him for capspace, when he had a rookie contract to begin w/ was just a matter of deciding to go a different direction later in the game. Nonetheless, DID keep KD, still has a defensive center, with a young nucleus, and guys w/ upside that can potentially do damage.

Golden State Warriors - I think for the most part, actually made a lot of solid deals -- however the one that hurt was the Wade for Nene/Afflalo picks, which were flipped for a guy like Okafor/Odom. Ultimately, the move for Wade was a good one, but trading him for two role sort players isn't maximizing his trade value. Nonetheless, rebounded well w/ a few nice trades after that, but it's a team stuck in mediocrity, very similar to the current Warriors, however w/ lesser trade value, and less upside, but potentially better for the next season.

Detroit Pistons - I think had the right idea, continue the young theme, eliminate the bad contracts; but went about the wrong ways in doing that, IMO. I don't think you trade a piece like Monroe unless an upgrade is coming along (did acquire Marc Gasol though, but the same logic would apply for him), and wouldn't have traded a Top 5-6 pick to unload Gordon, who IMO, doesn't have extreme negative value. Overall, it's a young core, that would need a superstar sort breakout from a guy like Quincy, which I'm not sure I see happening; not a terrible job by any means, just not sure I like it particularly more than Monroe/Knight, and a top 5 pick.

New Jersey Nets - I actually think NJ was making all the right moves to start the game, had Horford, Ginobili and a few other nice pieces that could have potentially enticed Deron to stay, IMO. A few questionable moves hurt the mid-game sort ranking, and from there went on a sort of spree to acquire only white players, an attempt which was successful prior to the final perplexing deal. Anyway, had a few assets to play around w/ and now a team with no real sense of direction, purpose, or talent, really.
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Post#22 » by Tully305 » Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:29 am

Cleveland - well rounded team
Charlotte - trash to treasure...nuff said
New Orleans - front court is nasty....(Ice woulda been higher but he wouldn't trade me LMA :lol: )
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Clippers
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Milwaukee
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Post#23 » by JoebobLollipop » Thu Feb 9, 2012 1:30 am

Charlotte
Cleveland
Houston
NOH
Miami
Orlando
Lakers
Indiana
Atlanta
Clippers
Milwaukee
Philly
Dallas
Chicago
Detroit
Boston
OKC
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Post#24 » by Karmaloop » Thu Feb 9, 2012 1:47 am

11 rankings. Kees you want to announce the winner?
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Post#25 » by sterncohen » Thu Feb 9, 2012 2:03 am

Sorry, guys - won't be able to get comments/ratings in until tomorrow.
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Post#26 » by spree8 » Thu Feb 9, 2012 2:26 am

What's the rush Karm? lol you're freakin out...I still wanna get mine in, but can't until a little later tonight...promise I will tho. Please wait Kees lol.
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Post#27 » by Karmaloop » Thu Feb 9, 2012 2:32 am

spree8 wrote:What's the rush Karm? lol you're freakin out...I still wanna get mine in, but can't until a little later tonight...promise I will tho. Please wait Kees lol.


Not a rush, more just wanting to get the winner to see who he wants as his team so the rest of us can update our teams list.
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Post#28 » by -Kees- » Thu Feb 9, 2012 2:58 am

Well I dont have much time in the mornings, so either I do them now or tomorrow night (with a small chance of doing them tomorrow morning). I also want to get them done, but I'll wait for spree cus he seems to want to rank people really bad lol.
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Post#29 » by SamBone » Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:05 am

no rush, let people get them in, basically TMac or MJ are going to win and neither have signed up for next round, so really no rush
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Post#30 » by mtamasi » Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:15 am

mtamasi wrote:i don't really want anymore rankings to come in...

Warriorfan, you forgot to add Denver... trust me, i can't afford a non rank. lol.

Kees, not that it much matters, but you forgot me as well and have two Dallas'.



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Post#31 » by MJallday59 » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:18 am

Hey guys!

Just got off the plane a few minutes ago. Can I have a few hours to post my rankings?
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Post#32 » by Klomp » Thu Feb 9, 2012 6:55 am

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Houston
NOH
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Post#33 » by spree8 » Thu Feb 9, 2012 8:05 am

1: Bobcats- Melo & Deron is a sick combo. I like reuniting J.R with Anthony and bringing him in as 6th man. Kidd and Jamison are nice short term role players who fit nicely here. Kaman is legit and still has a lot of game left. With so little assets you did a helluva job.

2: Cavs- Awesome backcourt and perfect frontcourt. 2nd best center in the league with a great compliment at pf. Aaron Brooks and Dorell Wright off the bench is nice. This team is light years ahead of where it started.

3: Lakers- My personal fav lol. As a Laker fan, I wish they could pull this off..since it could happen. Brand and Dwight is a badass combo in the paint, as is Nash and Kobe at the guard spots. This team would win the title no doubt.

4: Pacers- Wow...sick team. Billups, Iggy, Granger, West, Amare...that team could beat the Heat. If all of this happend, we could see them vs the L.A.L in the Finals. Even though Amar'e prefers the 4, I think he'd be fine on a team like this especially since he's gained an inch in height and 20 lbs this offseason.

5: Bucks- Great rebuild. The team just works. All players fit well with eachother. Bringing in Westbrook alone to a team with no franchise player at all is a huge achievment. Add McGee, Perry Jones, Burks and Young, and you're looking at a very bright future.

6: Rockets- When you start a franchise a pg and center are the two most important positions. Starting over here and getting John Wall and Lopez was great. Adding a defensive 4, and a guy to space the floor in Gallo on the wing with an all around 2guard in Hendo was perfect. Nice future for this team 4sure.

7: Hornets- Really like the frontcourt combo...great compliment to eachother. Could be the best 4/5 combo in the game. Add Chandler and Conley to that and you have a nice core in the short and long term. Way to whip the team into shape.

8: Spurs- Turning a dinosaur squad into a young top talent team is a damn good thing. Zach and Noah is definitely in the running for best frontcourt combo against the Hornets duo. Martin and Jennings definitely mesh well imo. Capt Jack and Tony Allen (along with Noah) would set the tone on defense and that fits with the culture of Pop's team.

9: Heat- Pretty much makes Lebron #1 and #2 option which he is best at. This is a Cavs type team built around him. These players are perfect fits. Love and Gortat is a more complete frontcourt than Bosh and Joel no doubt. Kev is a talented player who I think would shine a lot more next to LBJ. Him and Harden would punish teams from 3pt when Lebron draws the double. I like Teague for this squad too. Nice job.

10: Wizards- I woulda thought keeping Wall to team with Cousins would've been perfect (good friends and former Kentuckey teammates), but Irving is still gonna be great. Adding Batum, Humphries, Hill, Faried, and Afflalo is sweet. Much more competitive team with better character.

11: Hawks- Solid win now team. Boozer and Hibbert is nice, and right up there with the Hornets, Spurs and Heat frontcourts. Both are post players though, but while the other is working in it, the other can certainly draw out the other 4/5 from double teaming downlow with their mid range game. So it shouldn't be an issue. Manu is always a threat, and having the shooting and defense at the 3 in Deng makes for a well rounded core.

12: Kings- Definitely an upgrade in talent. Love the addition of Drummond and Lee is a great fit next to him. Derozan and Knight is intriguing...pretty dynamic backcourt with Thornton off the bench. Beasley I think would finally find a home here. Having J Sullinger too...damn..that's good.

13: Bulls- Definitely a win now team. Rondo and Pierce with Gasol is similar to the big 3 in Boston, but adding Josh Smith makes them a little better in the frontcourt, but Thabo instead of Ray Ray is a slight drop off...However, adding JTeryy as 6th man, and it would be a better team now than the Celts in real life..who are still legit contenders. This team could get to the Finals no doubt.

14: Clippers- I'm a big fan of Crash, and Billups is not getting any younger so adding Thompson is a plus. Pietrus and Blair is a nice addition to the bench as well. I think Wallace adds a certain toughness both physically and mentally, which I don't think Butler does so that's an improvement imo, and could certainly push them to the WCF.

15: Sixers- Hell of a win now team. Pretty stacked everywhere. Obvious playoff threat. Team could beat anyone, anytime. All these guys are team players who fit well together.

16: Wolves- Man, I loved that Love/Bogut frontcourt...what happend?? Although landing Anthony Davis is huge. Him and Rubio is a legit foundation for the future.

17: Mavs- Nice pieces for the future. DWilliams, Turner and EDavis is a good trio long-term...good job on short notice.

18: Thunder- You got a lot of talent, but I think it would hurt them in the short term. Tyson-Perkins is similar, but adding Bargs was great without losing Ibaka. Barnes and Henson are nice pieces for the future, but OKC is a win now team...also not sold on Holliday being able to guard sg's like Kobe in the playoffs. The loss of Harden hurts too.

19: Knicks- Nice talent in Dirk and Bosh, but not sure Dirk can play sf all year. Liked it better when Westbrook was there although Lowry is nice. Okafor is a good fit to Bosh, but if you were able to get Dirk or Bosh for a sf...it could have shot you up to the top 10.

20: Warriors- Solid team. I like the 4/5 combo, and Stuckey and Green are good fits...Ray I'm not sure would be a good fit with his age and where he's at in his career. Team could make the playoffs.

21: Celtics- Good job getting Wade, but if this was 2 years ago, KG and Duncan would launch this team to top 3 in rankings if not #1. Now, it's hard to imagine Wade trying to get these guys to run with him..especially after seeing him play with Lebron and Bosh. The league is full of athletic players who would really hurt Duncan and KG come playoff time when after a long season, it would catch up to them.

22: Pistons- I'm a big fan of Brooks, and think he'd be a great guy to build around, and Quincy has huge upside too. I think that would be a nasty combo for years to comes. Compared to a Knight-Monroe combo with a bigger salary...it wasn't bad at all...I like it. Good job dude.

23: Grizzlies- Nice pieces, but I think that RGay, Zbo, Gasol and Conley is better than Monroe, George, Augustin, Hawes....and Shumpert is like a young Tony Allen. Seems like you trimmed salary though and got a little younger, but at the expense of a winning franchise.

24: Blazers- Nice young pieces in Walker, Kanter and Leonard, but a little soon to rebuild to me. Not too bad considering Wallace left and you had to retool.

25: Nuggets- Thought with the willingness to take on more salary that you'd have a better finished product. It's got a lot of vets, but long term there's not much to look forward to, and short term I don't see them as a top seed.

26: Nets- I would have rather seen you build around Marshon instead of what happend here. You got off to a good start...not sure what happend bud.
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Post#34 » by -Kees- » Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:51 am

Resutls!

1. Charlotte (1.545)
2. Cleveland (1.636)
3. Houston (3.900)
4. New Orleans (3.909)
5. LA Lakers (5.583)
6. Milwaukee (6.000)

I just went through the top fives, and any team with more than 1 top 5 I checked their average ranking, and this is the top 6. I'll probably finish this tonight or tomorrow when I get some more time.

Congrats to MJallday59 for winning! Both 1 and 2 were very close, and 3 and 4 were very close, very competitive all the way through for most teams.
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Post#35 » by Devilanche » Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:52 am

1) CHA: Dwill and Carmelo? We'll overlook everyone else you ended up with considering you started with DJA and Henderson.

2) MIL: At least now your C is able to start most game huh. Top 5 for sure.
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MEM: I like Monroe + George. Good 2 pieces to build but after what MEM did last playoff, would like them to contend instead.

SAC: Team is much better fit than before with better potential on bench.
Drummond is probably DMC without the baggage. Good improvement

LAC: Small movement, kept his 2 biggest pieces. got 2 picks who should be top 10 for sure. Good i suppose

SAS: Decent team and Martin can score as good as anyone. I like Randolph ALOT so it's still a playoff team after Duncan and defensive minded player in Noah/TA is here.


NOH: Great frontcourt considering what you started with. Bogut is injury prone lately but still one of the better C. Backcourt is role player.

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MIA: Big three, traded 2 for a well rounded contender.I like that Love, Harden and Val is here. Teague is sufficient considering all the passing he have.

HOU: Commited to going young.Will have to rank him somewhere in the middle though.

ORL: A leaving dwight blowup nets Lawson/Gay/Horford. I'm not convinced Asik can play starter minutes so joel anthony can play some of the minutes there.Middle of ranking i suppose.

CLE: I think Kyrie and TT value is high as in AV. But they got a true C back at least albeit unable to stay on court for a sesaon. Gordon has suspect health i think curry on that road as well. disappointed he didnt trade for T-mac.

LAL: Kobe says thanks for that last few shots at title. All in for a last ride.

BOS: Aging big 3 of Garnett/Allen/Pierce become aging big 3 Garnett/Wade/Duncan.+ camby. Will still compete plus now has more asset once their oldies retires.

ATL: Grading based on after losing Deron. Good end up roster considering you got Hibbert even if it's at near max.

DAL: Can only put in the center after the mess you took over, good recovery job.
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IND: Need a C, Stoudamire can play there but he'll bitch about it before long. Granger and AI is a good swing rotation.

POR: Went away from LMA + pieces to rebuilding. High on potential in terms of Kanter/Kwahi/Kemba but i dont see anyone capable of replacing LMA.

OKC: Weird fit. Jrue is a better PG than Collison, Barnes has high potential but Durant is not ready to play PF.At least Bargnani and Durant will have awesome outside shooting. Need inside scorer still.

CHI: Spacing will be a problem with Rondo and Thabo plus Smith. Team is build with a high and low. High defence all around, low spacing on the other end. Got to be frustrating to watch but both fans of any games they're on.

NYK: Should have moved Bosh for an SF. Dirk will have to chase some SF around.
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WAS: Good having Kyrie + DMC instead of Wall + pieces. but going forward that's 45m at least in Batum/Kyrie/DMC. If Batum has max no reason other 2 would sign for less. Add in Humps/Afflalo/Hill, that's seems a lux tax team.

PHI: Squad is as deep but much more older now. Nearer to title but unlikely to win it.

DET: Monroe is not a piece you'll use to salary dump. Appreciate the flexibility but when Monroe is amongst the top 5 C, big regret then.

GSW: Didn't like what Curry and Ellis got you in the end.

DEN: Ended up with possible bad contract in JJ/RJ/Beans plus a few overpaid players, doesnt have alot of pick to reload going young either. Still capable of playoff but overachieving is probably a 2nd round exit. Doesnt help that Denver doing well in real life but pretty much hard to get superstars via player collection.

NJN: Loss franchise value player in Dwill and Brook and now team will depend on Hayward. Doesn't see why Hedo need to be on the team considering he bled talent.



Tier 1 are clear winner
Tier 2 has make improvement i like them more cause i like their players
Tier 3 are improvement as well though not as well liked.
Tier 4 are fits issue for a contender or an ex contender
Tier 5 are teams i think that bled talent unnecessarily, note WAS depends on how you view batum contract and their implication, PHI on how likely they are to win. had to place NJN last cause they started with 2 franchise potential rather than Denver collection of bad contract.
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Post#36 » by sterncohen » Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:24 pm

Outstanding

1. Charlotte. Like everybody else, I’m amazed.

2. Cleveland. I always expect TMAC to win this game, so I’m shocked to have him second. Great job, second only because Charlotte started with less.

3. Houston. Even if Wall turns out not to be a star, and Thompson turns out not to be worth the #4 pick, and Lopez is only a big man who can score but can’t rebound – and that’s a lot of ifs – this is still a much more talented team than he started with. And the best case scenario, in which Lopez, Gallinari, and Wall all become reasonable All-Star candidates, is pretty amazing given the starting roster.

Very Good

4. Milwaukee. As everybody else has said, there’s a very large talent increase here. And I’d rather have Westbrook than anybody on the current roster. Challenge would be using all that depth to get a second star.

5. Orlando. Lawson, Gay and Horford is a wonderful young core. Only negative for me is at C - I like Asik as much as the next guy, but not at $8M/year

6. LA Lakers. Considerably better in the short run, and has Howard to build around in the long run. The dropoff in talent is going to be great very soon, however.

7. New Orleans. As usual, there were a couple of points earlier at which I thought BI had blown the rest of us away, and I don’t like the final roster quite as much. But LMA and Bogut is a very nice front line to build around.

8. Indiana. Impressive job adding Iguodala and Stoudemire without wrecking the rest of the lineup.

9. San Antonio. Very nice return, in terms of total talent brought back by trading the whole Spurs roster.

10. LA Clippers. Nice job adding complementary pieces to the core; Wallace at SF will be great. Much depends on Lamb, as I’m not convinced that either Thompson or Williams will be a starting-quality SG.

11. Washington. Irving and Cousins to build around is a lot more convincing than Wall and McGee; great job there. Less impressed by what I see as huge overpayment to both Batum and Humphries.

12. Atlanta. Given where he started – Horford and Smith had already been traded – I think Luke did a great job putting together a credible team. Not enough talent here to win now, though, and it’s not going to get better as Manu and Boozer get older.

Good

13. Sacramento. May be rating them a little lower than others because I am not at all convinced by Beasley, Derozan or Wright. But Drummond + Sullinger up front looks awfully good.

14. Memphis. Not sure on this one; if George and Monroe continue developing this could be a terrific team. My concern is that it’s clearly not as good as the current roster (when healthy) in the short run, so this is a big bet.

15. Minnesota. If Anthony Davis is as good as Kevin Love, this is a better team than the real Wolves. But Love is a top-10 player already, and that’s quite a gamble. I think I’d rather have Love / Rubio / whoever I could get for Williams + pieces to build around than Davis / Rubio / any of the very solid non-stars on this roster.

16. New York. This looks better than I expected, primarily because both Stoudemire and Anthony are struggling so much this season. But, as everyone has said, Dirk and Bosh play the same position.

17. Dallas: Damaged by the previous GM. Got some good talent by sending out Carmelo and other pieces; none of it looks to me like strong enough talent to build a team around.

18. Boston. Mixed on this one: Wade is obviously worth more than anybody now on the Celtics. But I don’t think there’s enough talent here to win now, and Garnett and Duncan will rapidly lose value. And what’s with paying Rashard Lewis $6.5M/year for two years?

19. Portland. Talent level is OK, but there is no one on the roster who projects to be as valuable as LMA, and the big contracts for Thomas and Young hurt.

20. Philadelphia. Probably more talent in total, but not enough to be a serious contender, and poised to decline pretty rapidly given the age of several of the key players.

21. OKC. Lots of talent, questionable fit. I don’t see Holiday and Collison as a backcourt working out; unless Barnes can play SG there’s no reason to have him on a team where he’ll get 12 minutes a night behind Durant. Chandler will be great for OKC, though.

Not as Good

22. Golden State. Both Curry and Ellis are arguably more valuable than anyone on the final roster, and the pieces don’t fit together well enough to make up for that.

23. Denver. Three of the five starters (Harris, Jefferson, and Biedrins) are expensive and marginal players, and a fourth (Johnson) is a super-expensive good player. Too little flexibility going forward, and older than the current roster without a significant increase in talent.

24. Detroit: Talent out (Monroe, Knight) greater than talent in.

25. New Jersey. Ditto.
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Post#37 » by roc » Thu Feb 9, 2012 4:26 pm

congrats MJ, great job!
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Post#38 » by BlackIce » Thu Feb 9, 2012 4:39 pm

Nice job MJ, you deserved it!
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Post#39 » by TMACFORMVP » Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:58 pm

I third this notion, beast job.
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Post#40 » by Heats_Finest » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:20 am

Kendrick Perkins - 27
Trevor Ariza - 26
Monta Ellis - 26
Tony Parker - 29
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That's my core, you'd think they were all in wheel chairs already from the rankings.....


Congrats to the winner though, I don't want to sound to bitter. I'm just a competitor, sorry! Good game!

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