Build a Dynasty General Discussion

[CB-Blazer]

Can we have co-gm's?
This seems like it'll be a lot of work lol

co-GM's would be a great idea.

This sounds interesting. I'll take Utah

Would you like to co-GM with someone or have you been active in a longer term game like this before? Sorry for asking, it's just to make sure that the game is really enjoyable for everyone and doesn't have a few unknown GMs dragging the game down.

I played the last game with him, I really enjoyed having as a co participant.

[poopdamoop]

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[bringbackhoffa]

I may not be the smartest GM but would like to join, and i would take the rockets

[deNIEd]

I think something should be done about the contraction draft.

How exactly is it going to work out? Cause a team could easily end up with Kidd/KG and be set up for the next decade, instantly transforming the worst team into a contendor without doing anything at all.

[SabasRevenge!]

I consider myself fairly active, and would definitely devote a lot of interest to this, but if you're worried about participation issues I understand.

Thanks for responding and I appreciate CB-Blazer's endorsement.

bringbackhoffa, you were an especially active and diligent GM in the last sim and I'm happy you'd like to try this out. The Rockets are yours.

I think something should be done about the contraction draft.

How exactly is it going to work out? Cause a team could easily end up with Kidd/KG and be set up for the next decade, instantly transforming the worst team into a contendor without doing anything at all.

I should have been clearer about this:

The contraction draft is strictly by historical 1995 record.

After the contraction draft, we finish up the 1995 season with a trading period and then a quick scoring period, as outlined in the rules.

Based on the outcome of the scoring, the bottom three teams are entered into the draft lottery, with the bottom team having three chances, the second team having two chances, and the third team having one chance.

It would be improbable for the worst team to pick first in the contraction draft AND the NBA draft due to changes that would occur during the trading period and the lottery.

Of course, this is all open to changes and any input would be welcome.

[SabasRevenge!]

Maybe post this on the regular trades and transaction boards?

I'll probably post if over there if we can't find enough participants from the last game and this board. It would be great to have 20 very active and known GMs for this one.

I'm very interested in participating as a GM, but that would conflict with commissioner obligations for obvious reason, free agency being the biggest. If anyone is interested in being a commissioner, please let us know.

It would be great to have three excellent posters or mods to decide on free agent signings each year. There should also be a trustworthy poster who is not a GM to run the draft lottery each year (will only take a minute).

If free agency and the draft lotto are handled by outside parties, we don't necessarily need a proper commish because we can simply hold each other accountable to the rules and the CBA. Collectively, we've got a pretty good grasp of the CBA.

Anyways, if all of you current GMs think we could run it collectively and tap some outside parties for FA and the lotto, I'd like to select a team... but only if y'all are okay with it.

[deNIEd]

So let me get this straight.

Timeline
1. Select teams
2. Contraction draft
3. Season/trading
4. Rankings
5. '96 draft
6. Season/Trading
7. repeat

[SabasRevenge!]

So let me get this straight.

Timeline
1. Select teams
2. Contraction draft
3. Season/trading
4. Rankings
5. '96 draft
6. Season/Trading
7. repeat

Yeah, you're exactly right. After initial contraction, the order is:

Draft
Free Agency
Season/Trading
Rankings

[TMACFORMVP]

I want to join, but I've been holding off on what team I would take. Subject to change, I'll take the Golden State Warriors.

[CB-Blazer]

I consider myself fairly active, and would definitely devote a lot of interest to this, but if you're worried about participation issues I understand.

Thanks for responding and I appreciate CB-Blazer's endorsement.

bringbackhoffa, you were an especially active and diligent GM in the last sim and I'm happy you'd like to try this out. The Rockets are yours.

I think something should be done about the contraction draft.

How exactly is it going to work out? Cause a team could easily end up with Kidd/KG and be set up for the next decade, instantly transforming the worst team into a contendor without doing anything at all.

I should have been clearer about this:

The contraction draft is strictly by historical 1995 record.

After the contraction draft, we finish up the 1995 season with a trading period and then a quick scoring period, as outlined in the rules.

Based on the outcome of the scoring, the bottom three teams are entered into the draft lottery, with the bottom team having three chances, the second team having two chances, and the third team having one chance.

It would be improbable for the worst team to pick first in the contraction draft AND the NBA draft due to changes that would occur during the trading period and the lottery.

Of course, this is all open to changes and any input would be welcome.

IMO that is about as real life you are going to get. It would be neat if there was a way to have an actual lottery though.........

Maybe something as simple as drawing teams out of the hat? The better the team, the less pieces of paper in the hat?

EDIT: Could I also switch to Orlando please?

[deNIEd]

It would be more work, but we could plug rosters into old 2k and live games to get actual standings. I dunno...it seems like it'd be the most fair and realistic, since player's perceptions can get easily skewed due to their current performance.

[SabasRevenge!]

It would be more work, but we could plug rosters into old 2k and live games to get actual standings. I dunno...it seems like it'd be the most fair and realistic, since player's perceptions can get easily skewed due to their current performance.

I was wondering about that as well. GMs will post their individual season statistics as well as games played/injuries. I'm expecting this group to be able to synthesize fair season results by looking at the posted statistics/advanced statistics/brief playing write up that each GM will write.

Personally, I'll briefly look at several factors when imagining how a team would preform. Defensive reputation, accolades, and DRTG (to an extent) will be important, as well as team defensive balance. Also, offensive efficiency combined with "enough" scoring, ball movement, offensive rebounding, balance, etc. will be considered. For instance, if one team has a great 25 PPG scorer but no second option, that will be a difficult sell and I would expect that high scoring player's efficiency to go down. If another team has three 18ppg scorers, I may be more inclined to believe that those players would see a bump in efficiency and overall offensive success of the team. etc, etc... and I'm sure y'all will employ your own strategies when judging. For me, part of the fun is considering how players from 15+ years ago played.

Also, if we can get some judges for free agency (which I believe we can), I'd like to take the Sonics. It would be great to see if we can officially finish up the other Be A GM sim before starting this one, but I'm going to start trying to figure out the terms of Sonics' contracts.

I'll also post in the general thread for the other sim and see who else wants to join. If we need more participants when we're closer to being ready to go, I'll post this on the general T&T board.

[SabasRevenge!]

Using bbr and prosportstransactions.com (pst), here are the salaries/terms I figured out for the Sonics:

Player------94/95--------95/96--------96/97--------97/98--------98/99--------99/00
Schrempf---$10,000,000--$10,000,000---$6,666,000---$6,666,666---$6,666,000
Perkins------$8,253,200---$7,934,000
Gill---------$5,200,000---$6,400,000---$7,600,000---$8,800,000---$10,000,000---$11,200,000
Payton------$5,166,600---$5,566,000
Cartwright--$3,004,000*
Askew------$2,920,000---$3,620,000---$4,000,000
McMillan----$2,120,000---$2,530,000---$2,710,000
Kemp------$2,000,000---$6,000,000---$6,600,000---$17,200,000---$19,480,000---$21,560,000
Johnson----$1,433,200---$1,534,000
Total------$40,096,800
*retiring

All salaries have been doubled and terms were easily figured out by matching pst and bbr. King, Wingfield, Scheffler, and Houston were cut (all original salaries $800k or lower). Marciulionis was cut using the one time amnesty provision.

The initial roster minimum is nine due to the three round contraction draft. The Sonics now have nine players under contract. Team salary is just over 40m, but that will very likely increase to well over the cap after contracts of (contraction) drafted players are added.

The process of figuring out salaries was a bit of work, but not difficult. It took less than an hour.

NOTE: bbr has added a transactions section under each player, but it doesn't appear to include contract extensions.

[SamBone]

1. are you going to give us the rosters, or do we need to figure them out?

2. why are the salaries doubled?

3. can you give a rundown of how you figured these out so I can figure out my team, I am the Hornets!

jbail10@verizon.net

[SamBone]

Using bbr and prosportstransactions.com (pst), here are the salaries/terms I figured out for the Sonics:

Player------94/95--------95/96--------96/97--------97/98--------98/99--------99/00
Schrempf---$10,000,000--$10,000,000---$6,666,000---$6,666,666---$6,666,000
Perkins------$8,253,200---$7,934,000
Gill---------$5,200,000---$6,400,000---$7,600,000---$8,800,000---$10,000,000---$11,200,000
Payton------$5,166,600---$5,566,000
Cartwright--$3,004,000*
Askew------$2,920,000---$3,620,000---$4,000,000
McMillan----$2,120,000---$2,530,000---$2,710,000
Kemp------$2,000,000---$6,000,000---$6,600,000---$17,200,000---$19,480,000---$21,560,000
Johnson----$1,433,200---$1,534,000
Total------$40,096,800
*retiring

All salaries have been doubled and terms were easily figured out by matching pst and bbr. King, Wingfield, Scheffler, and Houston were cut (all original salaries $800k or lower). Marciulionis was cut using the one time amnesty provision.

wouldn't contract extensions after 95 be void in this? My guess would be that Schrempf would only have 2 years @ 10 mil a year left on his deal and Kemp would be heading into free agency (most likely a RFA)

[SabasRevenge!]

wouldn't contract extensions after 95 be void in this? My guess would be that Schrempf would only have 2 years @ 10 mil a year left on his deal and Kemp would be heading into free agency (most likely a RFA)

Yes, contract extensions that were agreed upon after January 1995 would not have happened yet; however, according to prosportstransactions:

1993-03-01 Shawn Kemp re-signed to a 7-year contract extension

and

1994-07-25 Detlef Schrempf signed as an unrestricted free agent to a 5-year, $20M contract

Also, the rookie scale wasn't in place until after the "Glenn Robinson" draft (1994), so I don't believe that there are currently any restricted free agents. "Modern" rookie scale contracts will begin with the 1995 draft because we are drawing from the 2005 (current) CBA.

[SabasRevenge!]

1. are you going to give us the rosters, or do we need to figure them out?

2. why are the salaries doubled?

3. can you give a rundown of how you figured these out so I can figure out my team, I am the Hornets!

jbail10@verizon.net

1. You must figure out your rosters. I'm hoping that this league can be run collectively and that each GM will do his/her own legwork.

2. The salaries are doubled because it just made more sense than sticking with actual salaries and the actual 1995 cap (around 15m). The beginning cap for this game (45m) is triple the actual 1995 cap while salaries are only double those in 1995. This gives the league a more realistic and flexible salary:cap ratio that looks a lot more similar to the modern ratio. It also allows us to employ the luxury tax because teams won't be starting at double or triple the cap (like the '97 Bulls). It gives GMs a bit of breathing room to start with and nobody will inherit a roster that looks like the Isiah-era Knicks.

3. I used both http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/Search/Search.php and BBR to find the salaries for the Sonics. PST allowed me to pinpoint dates for extensions and free agent signings. Any free agent signings, trades, or extensions after January 1995 have not yet occurred. This game begins in January 1995.

Figuring the salaries and terms for my players was an enjoyable exercise and BBR/PST were the only tools I needed. Thanks again to Gremz for finding PST for us, it would have been MUCH more difficult and inaccurate without it.

[SamBone]

so as far as I can tell, here is what my Hornets roster looks like

PLAYER 1994/1995 -- 95/96 -- 96/97 -- 97/98 -- 98/99 -- 99/00 -- 00/01
Alonzo Mourning $7,680,000 -- $9,120,000
Larry Johnson $7,420,000 -- $8,590,000 -- $10,008,000 -- $16,921,428 -- $20,372,000 -- $23,821,428 -- $22,000,000
Hersey Hawkins $5,000,000 -- $5,000,000
Robert Parish $3,850,000 -- $5,000,000
Dell Curry $2,680,000 -- $3,140,000 -- $3,660,000
Kenny Gattison $2,500,000 -- $2,900,000 -- $2,900,000
Michael Adams $2,480,000 -- $2,480,000
Muggsy Bogues $2,250,000 -- $2,700,000 -- $3,150,000 -- $3,600,000
Tom Tolbert $650,000



TOTAL SALARY $34,510,000 $38,930,000

Wingate, Bennett, Hancock, Blackwell, Wolf, and Sutten arre all waived (under 800K original salary)
Scotty Burrell will be waived using my one time amnisty provision

[CB-Blazer]

so as far as I can tell, here is what my Hornets roster looks like

PLAYER 1994/1995 -- 95/96 -- 96/97 -- 97/98 -- 98/99 -- 99/00 -- 00/01
Alonzo Mourning $7,680,000 -- $9,120,000
Larry Johnson $7,420,000 -- $8,590,000 -- $10,008,000 -- $16,921,428 -- $20,372,000 -- $23,821,428 -- $22,000,000
Hersey Hawkins $5,000,000 -- $5,000,000
Robert Parish $3,850,000 -- $5,000,000
Dell Curry $2,680,000 -- $3,140,000 -- $3,660,000
Kenny Gattison $2,500,000 -- $2,900,000 -- $2,900,000
Michael Adams $2,480,000 -- $2,480,000
Muggsy Bogues $2,250,000 -- $2,700,000 -- $3,150,000 -- $3,600,000
Tom Tolbert $650,000



TOTAL SALARY $34,510,000 $38,930,000

Wingate, Bennett, Hancock, Blackwell, Wolf, and Sutten arre all waived (under 800K original salary)
Scotty Burrell will be waived using my one time amnisty provision

I thought the amensty only applied to lux tax money? Meaning you could just flat out cut Burrell and not waste your amensty since you are under the tax.

[SabasRevenge!]

so as far as I can tell, here is what my Hornets roster looks like

PLAYER 1994/1995 -- 95/96 -- 96/97 -- 97/98 -- 98/99 -- 99/00 -- 00/01
Alonzo Mourning $7,680,000 -- $9,120,000
Larry Johnson $7,420,000 -- $8,590,000 -- $10,008,000 -- $16,921,428 -- $20,372,000 -- $23,821,428 -- $22,000,000
Hersey Hawkins $5,000,000 -- $5,000,000
Robert Parish $3,850,000 -- $5,000,000
Dell Curry $2,680,000 -- $3,140,000 -- $3,660,000
Kenny Gattison $2,500,000 -- $2,900,000 -- $2,900,000
Michael Adams $2,480,000 -- $2,480,000
Muggsy Bogues $2,250,000 -- $2,700,000 -- $3,150,000 -- $3,600,000
Tom Tolbert $650,000



TOTAL SALARY $34,510,000 $38,930,000

Wingate, Bennett, Hancock, Blackwell, Wolf, and Sutten arre all waived (under 800K original salary)
Scotty Burrell will be waived using my one time amnisty provision

I thought the amensty only applied to lux tax money? Meaning you could just flat out cut Burrell and not waste your amensty since you are under the tax.

I was thinking that the amnesty would essentially be a single freebie at the beginning of this sim to get out of one contract (or anything under 800k original salary).

After that, we're all responsible for our own signings, so amnesty is void after the game begins. We're all responsible for our own signings, but this lets us get out from under one of our predecessor's mistakes.

The 800k provision was because I found a LOT of players who were listed under team salary on BBR who may have been on 10-day contracts or didn't play more than a couple dozen games in any given season. They'd just eat up a spots on our 15-player roster.