GM a TEAM 11/12 - Discussion Thread

[Dan Verze]

agree that vetoes are need, but see no reason this deal is vetoed.

What are the reasons for veto? who do they think is getting ripped?

Dallas is rebuilding and wants picks, this deal nets him a ton, plus a player he can flip for more

NJ sells every pick they have, breaks up a stud guard duo for a older vet PF. This also makes NJ no longer a player in next summers FA market. IMO, NJ is risking more here then Dallas

maybe the 6 vetoing GMs can man up and post reasons for veto?

Dallas just won the championship and now they are going rebuild and are collecting picks?

[Dan Verze]

76ers:

Holiday/Williams
Iggy/Meeks
Gallinari/Brewer
Ibaka/Brand
Camby/Hawes/Vucevic


I have a TPE of around 2,1 $ and I want to use it. Give me your bench fodder! If you want to save a bit money, contact me. I'm looking for proven players. I prefer players at 1-3 + I'm also interested in trading Brewer's exp for a good bench player. I prefer players with a contract til '13.

dan-verze@dan-verze.de
DanielSchroeder7@aim.com

[Gremz]

Guys, I'm just doing this for a laugh, I don't get whey everyone is overly serious about a game.

If this is the way it's gonna be, then stop humoring me with below par offers, or just let trades go.

As it's not fair for BNess, Dirk's asking price just skyrocketed.

[Mascot]

Jason Kidd on the block for a starting SG

[NBA Champs]

The Hornets would REALLY like to move MEHMET OKUR.

*** We're willing to turn his contract into one similarly high but longer contract or two smaller dollar yet longer term contracts, along with some picks to go with them.***

P.S. I'm also looking to use my TPE's (3.25 mil, 2.85 mil, 2.05 mil are the ones I'd mostly likely like to use). I also have (4) 2013 2nd rd picks and I'd like to reduce them to either (2) 2012 2nd rd picks or (1) 2012 1st rd pick.

[Gremz]

[Koponen]

We're looking to move Chris Kaman. We don't need a vet center, and despite his talent, would rather get crap expirings (Nocioni, Rautins, etc.) and a pick/prospect. Basically, I give up an expiring who can actually play and get back one or two who can't, but get a young piece back in return. I'd even be willing to expand the deal to offer Wilson Chandler or Tristan Thompson, if I were getting back a combo of young pieces that I couldn't turn down.

E-Mail: mr6890a@american.edu
AIM: MaxR89

[Koponen]

Also, we're looking to move Baron Davis in a similar deal- expiring(s) and picks/prospects.

[-Kees-]

agree that vetoes are need, but see no reason this deal is vetoed.

What are the reasons for veto? who do they think is getting ripped?

Dallas is rebuilding and wants picks, this deal nets him a ton, plus a player he can flip for more

NJ sells every pick they have, breaks up a stud guard duo for a older vet PF. This also makes NJ no longer a player in next summers FA market. IMO, NJ is risking more here then Dallas

maybe the 6 vetoing GMs can man up and post reasons for veto?

Dallas just won the championship and now they are going rebuild and are collecting picks?

Does it matter what their GMing style is? They can chose what they want.

This veto stuff is crap, so are the trade limits. LET GM's BE GM's and do what they want.

I might be with bness, I'm not sure how long I'm going to be playing this game in the future, it's gotten so ridiculous. That NJ/DAL had absolutely no reason to be canceled, NJ gave up their future for an allstar/top 10 player. If you wanted to get Dirk for that price, then you should've asked Dallas.

[nikkoewan]

agree that vetoes are need, but see no reason this deal is vetoed.

What are the reasons for veto? who do they think is getting ripped?

Dallas is rebuilding and wants picks, this deal nets him a ton, plus a player he can flip for more

NJ sells every pick they have, breaks up a stud guard duo for a older vet PF. This also makes NJ no longer a player in next summers FA market. IMO, NJ is risking more here then Dallas

maybe the 6 vetoing GMs can man up and post reasons for veto?

Dallas just won the championship and now they are going rebuild and are collecting picks?

Does it matter what their GMing style is? They can chose what they want.

This veto stuff is crap, so are the trade limits. LET GM's BE GM's and do what they want.

I might be with bness, I'm not sure how long I'm going to be playing this game in the future, it's gotten so ridiculous. That NJ/DAL had absolutely no reason to be canceled, NJ gave up their future for an allstar/top 10 player. If you wanted to get Dirk for that price, then you should've asked Dallas.

i'm with the 3 here(Keesling,SamBone and Bness) unless the deal looks super ridonculous(like LBJ for a freaking TPE or maybe Melo for Arenas), trades should not be vetoed.. in reality, the trade won't work because you can't trade consecutive 1st round picks, let alone 5 consecutive picks. but since we've allowed that, then there is no reason to veto. although Monta is only good as a 3rd option on a championship team, NJ DID give up a lot of young(albeit nothing to spectacular) assets for him. I second the let GM's be GM's from Keesling and hope something is done to not allow this kind of thing anymore

[Warriorfan]

I had no problem with the Dirk trade but the Dwight Howard trade made me wince. NJ gave up a lot and if they lost Deron and Dirk gets old fast those picks to Dallas would be lotto quite soon.

On the LA trade depending on the follow up deals it is the only deal in 3 games that would make me want to hit the veto button.
I feel it was done as a statement as much as GMing. Especially since he stated he gave up Bosh and Bynum and Picks and wanted a good return. I think things are getting overblown and hope it does not dampen this game before the halfway pt.

[-Kees-]

LAL current situation:

Roster:
PG - Gibson/Johnson/Goudelock
SG - Thornton/Ebanks
SF - Deng/Miller/Kleiza
PF - Dirk/Odom/Haslem/Majoktsh
Cc - Jefferson/Gooden/Alabi

Picks:
2012 LAL 1st
2013 IND 1st
2014 POR 1st
2014 WAS 1st
2014 LAL 2nd
2015 POR 1st
2015 LAL 1st
2015 LAL 2nd

On the Block:
-Dirk is untouchable
-I like Jefferson A LOT, so his price is very high
-Thornton, Deng and Odom are available, but I also like them. Odom will likely be the 1st to go out of that group
-Looking to clear the logjam at PF (Gooden, Haselm, Odom, Jefferson, Dirk). Looking to move them for an overpaid defensive C (Haywood, Okafor) or for better wings
-Miller, Kleiza, Gibson will go easily
-Not looking for a PG because I can get one in FA with MLE
-Always looking to save money

[MadNESS]

agree that vetoes are need, but see no reason this deal is vetoed.

What are the reasons for veto? who do they think is getting ripped?

Dallas is rebuilding and wants picks, this deal nets him a ton, plus a player he can flip for more

NJ sells every pick they have, breaks up a stud guard duo for a older vet PF. This also makes NJ no longer a player in next summers FA market. IMO, NJ is risking more here then Dallas

maybe the 6 vetoing GMs can man up and post reasons for veto?

Dallas just won the championship and now they are going rebuild and are collecting picks?

If that's your reasonuing fior your veto, then yours shouldn't have counted. ANY GM can take ANY team in ANY direction they want. WtF?

[-Kees-]

I had no problem with the Dirk trade but the Dwight Howard trade made me wince. NJ gave up a lot and if they lost Deron and Dirk gets old fast those picks to Dallas would be lotto quite soon.

On the LA trade depending on the follow up deals it is the only deal in 3 games that would make me want to hit the veto button.
I feel it was done as a statement as much as GMing. Especially since he stated he gave up Bosh and Bynum and Picks and wanted a good return. I think things are getting overblown and hope it does not dampen this game before the halfway pt.

Bosh/Bynum for Jefferson/Thornton/Deng is a decent trade. Jefferson is arguably better than Bynum, because of injuries and such, but for this purpose lets say they are equal. Deng is the 2nd option on a high playoff team (CHI) and plays 40 MPG and plays very good D, can hit the 3, score, basically everything anyone wants. Plus Thornton was 21/5/3/2 in SAC last year, and if he would've done that all year he could've been an allstar. Bosh is solid (24/11 when 1st option) but trading him for Thrornton/Deng is great value. Picks were swapped in both deals, the 1st i gave up 1 1st and 3 2nds, the 2nd i got 2 1sts.

I dont see how i got bad value on that, ESPECIALLY when I'm almost sure to lose Dwight in FA if I dont make some great moves, and with the trade limits, i only have about 10 trades left. It would have been much different had I had unlimited trades, because then i could trade a lot, and get a bit from each trade, but this game limits that, just like it limits trading.

Also, the trade that had been vetoed and the Dwight trade both were with GM's that have been playing this game for a while. Gremz, Crispy, Bness and me all understand the game, understand value, and know when we are getting screwed by this point. Clearly we aren't, otherwise we wouldn't have agreed to the trade. It would be different if a rookie to the game walked in and had a bad value trade.

[NBA Champs]

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[Karmaloop]

My roster is all up to date, and here is my depth chart.

PG: Kirk Hinrich / Toney Douglas
SG: Thabo Sefolosha / Raja Bell / Jordan Hamilton
SF: Danny Granger / Al-Farouq Aminu / Kawhi Leonard
PF: Blake Griffin / Tiago Splitter
C: Kendrick Perkins / Timofey Mozgov / Cole Aldrich

Looking to improve my point guard, guys like Devin Harris who aren't quite elite point guards are who I am targetting. Willing to give up Hinrich, plus a combination of Hamilton/Aminu and/or picks. If an elite PG were coming my way, I'd be willing to up the offer. Would like to move Raja Bell for a better 3 point shooter, think Anthony Morrow. Also, I'd like to add another PF to the mix. Not actively looking to take back future salary, but I'm willing to if the deal is right. I also have a 13 million dollar TPE and a 3 million dollar TPE as well.

[NBA Champs]

The Hornets would REALLY like to move MEHMET OKUR.

*** We're willing to turn his contract into one similarly high but longer contract or two smaller dollar yet longer term contracts, along with some picks to go with them.***

P.S. I'm also looking to use my TPE's (3.25 mil, 2.85 mil, 2.05 mil are the ones I'd mostly likely like to use). I also have (4) 2013 2nd rd picks and I'd like to reduce them to either (2) 2012 2nd rd picks or (1) 2012 1st rd pick.

[roc]

I agree that the veto system is in need of an update. Perhaps make it 8 vetoes before a trade is auto canceled.

Should not get rid of it entirely or things could get really imbalanced real fast since GMs do keep veto in mind when coming up with a trade they want to get approved.

I just went with the same system we have used but maybe it is time for a change. We need to keep this in mind for the next game and see what we can come up with that seems fair to all.

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[Gremz]

I don't think the system is what we need to look at, Perhaps it's just the integrity of the game.

I've always thought that if you can get a deal in which you win out it's just good business.

The only reason the Veto system is there is to ensure there's no collution and that no one is ruining the game. I just honestly don't see that here.

Sometimes I feel some common sense goes a lot further than a public vote.

Just my random thoughts.

[NBA Champs]

I don't think the system is what we need to look at, Perhaps it's just the integrity of the game.

I've always thought that if you can get a deal in which you win out it's just good business.

The only reason the Veto system is there is to ensure there's no collution and that no one is ruining the game. I just honestly don't see that here.

Sometimes I feel some common sense goes a lot further than a public vote.

Just my random thoughts.

+1 to this mutha' ****'!