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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES - NEW THREAD 2/21/22 

Post#241 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Jun 6, 2022 9:25 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
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Fadeaway_J wrote:I think it still needs a fair amount of tweaking.

First of all, those decades aren't very balanced in terms of talent. Under no circumstances are the 90s Sonics or Blazers beating Shaq-Kobe-Pau or the KD Warriors.

Second, there's very little suspense with everyone basically having their own discrete player pool set in stone from the jump. It will be clear almost immediately what the teams are going to look like and who will be the favourites.



Well, perhaps keep it likited to a single MVP.

Then you could have kobe or shaq
Also do not understand why we would randomize again after each round. That could get really lopsided.


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I'm not seeing a solution to the lack of suspense I mentioned earlier.

Barring role players and a handful of stars, we'll end up mostly drafting against ourselves, and you can pretty much put 80% of the teams together before the game even starts.
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Post#242 » by Larry_Russell » Mon Jun 6, 2022 10:10 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:I think it still needs a fair amount of tweaking.

First of all, those decades aren't very balanced in terms of talent. Under no circumstances are the 90s Sonics or Blazers beating Shaq-Kobe-Pau or the KD Warriors.

Second, there's very little suspense with everyone basically having their own discrete player pool set in stone from the jump. It will be clear almost immediately what the teams are going to look like and who will be the favourites.



Well, perhaps keep it likited to a single MVP.

Then you could have kobe or shaq
Also do not understand why we would randomize again after each round. That could get really lopsided.


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Not each round.

Just a lottery to choose team and decade
Then a lottery for draft.

That way it is possible that you could pick, say, 80s lakers with the decade draft, but then in the players draft lose out on magic johnson because the poster who chose 90s lakers drafted before you.

Can throw a wrench into drafting someone who has played for multiple team like lebron, barkley, shaq, durant and guys who spaned multiple decades luke Kareem, russell, wilt.
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Post#243 » by wackbone » Mon Jun 6, 2022 10:52 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:

Well, perhaps keep it likited to a single MVP.

Then you could have kobe or shaq
Also do not understand why we would randomize again after each round. That could get really lopsided.


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Not each round.

Just a lottery to choose team and decade
Then a lottery for draft.

That way it is possible that you could pick, say, 80s lakers with the decade draft, but then in the players draft lose out on magic johnson because the poster who chose 90s lakers drafted before you.

Can throw a wrench into drafting someone who has played for multiple team like lebron, barkley, shaq, durant and guys who spaned multiple decades luke Kareem, russell, wilt.

I think it'd make more sense to just draft players and by the end they must have all played for the same team in the same decade. So if I take Shaq with my first rounder I could pivot in the second to a LAL, MIA, or PHX decade come the second round and beyond. But I agree with Fade that the draft would still be awfully unbalanced.
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Post#244 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Jun 6, 2022 11:17 pm

wackbone wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:Also do not understand why we would randomize again after each round. That could get really lopsided.


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Not each round.

Just a lottery to choose team and decade
Then a lottery for draft.

That way it is possible that you could pick, say, 80s lakers with the decade draft, but then in the players draft lose out on magic johnson because the poster who chose 90s lakers drafted before you.

Can throw a wrench into drafting someone who has played for multiple team like lebron, barkley, shaq, durant and guys who spaned multiple decades luke Kareem, russell, wilt.

I think it'd make more sense to just draft players and by the end they must have all played for the same team in the same decade. So if I take Shaq with my first rounder I could pivot in the second to a LAL, MIA, or PHX decade come the second round and beyond. But I agree with Fade that the draft would still be awfully unbalanced.

Yeah, even with that proposal it's tough to get around the issue. By the second or third round you would almost certainly be locked into a particular team and decade anyway.
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Post#245 » by Larry_Russell » Tue Jun 7, 2022 11:26 am

How about a simple one

We have to draft a pair of players that were drafted in a same decade but the players HAVE to be from opposite conferences when drafted

80s
90s
00s
10s

8 rounds, straight snake format (abab)
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Post#246 » by durantbird » Tue Jun 7, 2022 11:46 am

Larry_Russell wrote:How about a simple one

We have to draft a pair of players that were drafted in a same decade but the players HAVE to be from opposite conferences when drafted

80s
90s
00s
10s

8 rounds, straight snake format (abab)

I'd at least add one MVP per pair to keep it balanced. Anyhow sounds problematic that the same player can pair MJ and LeBron.
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Post#247 » by Larry_Russell » Tue Jun 7, 2022 12:39 pm

durantbird wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:How about a simple one

We have to draft a pair of players that were drafted in a same decade but the players HAVE to be from opposite conferences when drafted

80s
90s
00s
10s

8 rounds, straight snake format (abab)

I'd at least add one MVP per pair to keep it balanced. Anyhow sounds problematic that the same player can pair MJ and LeBron.


Maybe MVP and or all NBA 1st?

And if you can pick Lebron with the 1st overall pick and Jordan is still there at the 20th pick then you deserve to have both of them.

Assuming 10 players

draft spot 1 gets picks
1,20,21,40,41,60,61,70
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Post#248 » by Fadeaway_J » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:00 pm

Man there are a lot of ideas floating around right now.

Probably need a poll to decide which one to do next.
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Post#249 » by Colbinii » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:11 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
wackbone wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:

Not each round.

Just a lottery to choose team and decade
Then a lottery for draft.

That way it is possible that you could pick, say, 80s lakers with the decade draft, but then in the players draft lose out on magic johnson because the poster who chose 90s lakers drafted before you.

Can throw a wrench into drafting someone who has played for multiple team like lebron, barkley, shaq, durant and guys who spaned multiple decades luke Kareem, russell, wilt.

I think it'd make more sense to just draft players and by the end they must have all played for the same team in the same decade. So if I take Shaq with my first rounder I could pivot in the second to a LAL, MIA, or PHX decade come the second round and beyond. But I agree with Fade that the draft would still be awfully unbalanced.

Yeah, even with that proposal it's tough to get around the issue. By the second or third round you would almost certainly be locked into a particular team and decade anyway.


Yup. A better version would be a 7-Degrees of separation draft or a teammate draft.
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Post#250 » by durantbird » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:34 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
durantbird wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:How about a simple one

We have to draft a pair of players that were drafted in a same decade but the players HAVE to be from opposite conferences when drafted

80s
90s
00s
10s

8 rounds, straight snake format (abab)

I'd at least add one MVP per pair to keep it balanced. Anyhow sounds problematic that the same player can pair MJ and LeBron.


Maybe MVP and or all NBA 1st?

And if you can pick Lebron with the 1st overall pick and Jordan is still there at the 20th pick then you deserve to have both of them.

Assuming 10 players

draft spot 1 gets picks
1,20,21,40,41,60,61,70

I thought each round has a different pool from different decade
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Post#251 » by Larry_Russell » Tue Jun 7, 2022 2:42 pm

durantbird wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
durantbird wrote:I'd at least add one MVP per pair to keep it balanced. Anyhow sounds problematic that the same player can pair MJ and LeBron.


Maybe MVP and or all NBA 1st?

And if you can pick Lebron with the 1st overall pick and Jordan is still there at the 20th pick then you deserve to have both of them.

Assuming 10 players

draft spot 1 gets picks
1,20,21,40,41,60,61,70

I thought each round has a different pool from different decade


Nope

2 rounds per decade. snake format
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Post#252 » by Laimbeer » Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:36 pm

Infrequent All-stars next? My only question is does Big Red dominate?
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Post#253 » by Larry_Russell » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:22 pm

Laimbeer wrote:Infrequent All-stars next? My only question is does Big Red dominate?



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Post#254 » by durantbird » Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:22 am

Laimbeer wrote:Infrequent All-stars next? My only question is does Big Red dominate?

We'll forbid MVPs, or maybe one MVP per team
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Post#255 » by Laimbeer » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:26 am

durantbird wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:Infrequent All-stars next? My only question is does Big Red dominate?

We'll forbid MVPs, or maybe one MVP per team


1980s and forward? Cuts out his MVP season.
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Post#256 » by durantbird » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:37 am

Laimbeer wrote:
durantbird wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:Infrequent All-stars next? My only question is does Big Red dominate?

We'll forbid MVPs, or maybe one MVP per team


1980s and forward? Cuts out his MVP season.

Also possible. Maybe we should allow one MVP per team anyhow, or would we like to diversify the pool to a higher extent?
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Post#257 » by Fadeaway_J » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:40 am

durantbird wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
durantbird wrote:We'll forbid MVPs, or maybe one MVP per team


1980s and forward? Cuts out his MVP season.

Also possible. Maybe we should allow one MVP per team anyhow, or would we like to diversify the pool to a higher extent?

How does one MVP per team affect anything? I thought we could only pick players with two or fewer All-Star appearances, Walton is the only MVP who qualifies.
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Post#258 » by durantbird » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:50 am

Fadeaway_J wrote:
durantbird wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
1980s and forward? Cuts out his MVP season.

Also possible. Maybe we should allow one MVP per team anyhow, or would we like to diversify the pool to a higher extent?

How does one MVP per team affect anything? I thought we could only pick players with two or fewer All-Star appearances, Walton is the only MVP who qualifies.

I mean you can still build around LeBron or MJ but the players around them can't have 3 All-Star appearances or more.

I.e. infrequent all-stars plus one.
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Post#259 » by Laimbeer » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:01 pm

durantbird wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
durantbird wrote:Also possible. Maybe we should allow one MVP per team anyhow, or would we like to diversify the pool to a higher extent?

How does one MVP per team affect anything? I thought we could only pick players with two or fewer All-Star appearances, Walton is the only MVP who qualifies.

I mean you can still build around LeBron or MJ but the players around them can't have 3 All-Star appearances or more.

I.e. infrequent all-stars plus one.


Oh, I didn't realize it was and-one. Thought it would be a refreshing to build teams without those elite players.
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Post#260 » by durantbird » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:09 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
durantbird wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:How does one MVP per team affect anything? I thought we could only pick players with two or fewer All-Star appearances, Walton is the only MVP who qualifies.

I mean you can still build around LeBron or MJ but the players around them can't have 3 All-Star appearances or more.

I.e. infrequent all-stars plus one.


Oh, I didn't realize it was and-one. Thought it would be a refreshing to build teams without those elite players.

It wasn't to begin with, thought now maybe worth adding one MVP. But let's just go all-infrequent.

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