Spring '13 GMAT: 2013 Offseason Free Agency

[MadNESS]

Gary Neal (Bird Rights) - kept his cap hold the entire time

3 years at 2 million per - 6 mil total

Raps
Offer Neal
2 years
2.5/2.5(to)

3 years / 3 million per

[RR9]

I thought I got ray allen from yesterday's bidding at tier 4?

[MadNESS]

Heard back from commish, Kaman is mine.

Thanks.

He will be on later to verify.

[MJallday59]

Since my offer for Ray Allen & Delfino were beat beat:

Lamar Odom: 3.0/3.0

DJ Augustin - BAE

[Karmaloop]

Heard back from commish, Kaman is mine.

Thanks.

He will be on later to verify.

Confirmed. There was a miscommunication between me and bness.

[Karmaloop]

That's not AAV then. You would have to take the amount of years by the two offers and come up with an average. Then follow up with the said amounts to determine which offer is higher. That's AAV.

What you're referring to is highest first year salary.

I'm ONLY offering a one year deal, not a multi-year deal.

[MJallday59]

^ u still don't get it. Your logic says a one year 10 million offer is better than a 3 year 27 starting at 9 million.

That's wrong.i'm offering more years thus my AAV is higher.

[Karmaloop]

Not sure why this is an argument. Long term stability with 16 mil on the table is far better than a 1 year deal, especially for a player like Wright where he's 27 years old entering his prime years as a player. This may be his last long-term contract. When he's in his early/mid 30s, then one years deals to hop on a championship team may not be out of the question. That's assuming he doesn't win one in that 4 year span.

In theory, that might make sense but Wright would be limiting his earning. Look at it from this perspective, he's going to get starting minutes (something around 30 minutes per game), play some good defense, and knock down some open 3 point shots. A year from now, he's hitting free agency when he's 29 coming off what is likely a big year and parlays that into a full MLE deal or even possibly higher.

[Karmaloop]

^ u still don't get it. Your logic says a one year 10 million offer is better than a 3 year 27 starting at 9 million.

That's wrong.

But why is just now becoming an issue? Why did NOBODY step up when I put that rule in place? The rule has been enacted, and it's really too late to change it.

[MJallday59]

Not sure why this is an argument. Long term stability with 16 mil on the table is far better than a 1 year deal, especially for a player like Wright where he's 27 years old entering his prime years as a player. This may be his last long-term contract. When he's in his early/mid 30s, then one years deals to hop on a championship team may not be out of the question. That's assuming he doesn't win one in that 4 year span.

In theory, that might make sense but Wright would be limiting his earning. Look at it from this perspective, he's going to get starting minutes (something around 30 minutes per game), play some good defense, and knock down some open 3 point shots. A year from now, he's hitting free agency when he's 29 coming off what is likely a big year and parlays that into a full MLE deal or even possibly higher.

No...just no.

[Karmaloop]

I'm offering more years thus my AAV is higher.

AAV is the total amount of money in the offer and dividing it by the number of years offered.

I'm offering 5.5 million over ONE year, you offered 16 over four years.

5.5 / 1 = 5.5
16 / 4 = 4

5.5 > 4

It's not 5.5 / 4.

[MJallday59]

I'm offering more years thus my AAV is higher.

AAV is the total amount of money in the offer and dividing it by the number of years offered.

I'm offering 5.5 million over ONE year, you offered 16 over four years.

5.5 / 1 = 5.5
16 / 4 = 4

5.5 > 4

It's not 5.5 / 4.

That's actually not what it means. That's the definition you're giving it.

4 Years
+ 1 Year = 5 Years
Average year = 2.5 Years

Your offer - 5.5 Millions/2.5 Years = 2.2 Million per AAV
My Offer - 16 Million/2.5 Years = 6.2 Million per AAV

[Karmaloop]

MJallday59, why was this issue not presented earlier? Complaining after the fact isn't going to get things changed.

And secondly, how do you propose we "decide" who signs what offer. If I offer a 3 year, 14 million deal who wins there? The AAV was the best route that I determined.

[Klomp]

MJallday59, why was this issue not presented earlier? Complaining after the fact isn't going to get things changed.

And secondly, how do you propose we "decide" who signs what offer. If I offer a 3 year, 14 million deal who wins there? The AAV was the best route that I determined.

BTW this is why I don't like this bidding format

[MJallday59]

MJallday59, why was this issue not presented earlier? Complaining after the fact isn't going to get things changed.

And secondly, how do you propose we "decide" who signs what offer. If I offer a 3 year, 14 million deal who wins there? The AAV was the best route that I determined.

1.) Definition of AAV was cloudy. This situation brought it to the forefront when u claimed Dwright b4 the 24 hour mark.

2.) I hit u up immediately afterwards offline. No response.

All good tho. I'll concede.

[RR9]

Clips Matt Barnes 1yr $4M

Clippers rescind partial MLE Barnes offer to offer Ray Allen 1yr $4M ONLY IF RAY GUN IS AVAILABLE.

Should be on FA list if he opted out as he usually does.

Typically in the past with auctions, you can't rescind offers. If you can't, then it makes your bid invalid and I will bid the full taxpayer's MLE starting at 3,183,000 for 3 years with 3% raises and averaging:

$3,214,830 per year.

CHI SIGNS RAY SHUTTLESWORTH from yesterday's tier4 since according to karma, willy's bid was indeed tied up to matt barnes. Commish will confirm.

[Karmaloop]

That's actually not what it means. That's the definition you're giving it.

4 Years
+ 1 Year = 5 Years
Average year = 2.5 Years

Your offer - 5.5 Millions/2.5 Years = 2.2 Million per AAV
My Offer - 16 Million/2.5 Years = 6.2 Million per AAV

The two deals are mutually exclusive, they have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Your deal is one deal, and mine is a different deal. You take each deal to find their AAV, not combine all the offers.

[Karmaloop]

CHI SIGNS RAY SHUTTLESWORTH from yesterday's tier4 since according to karma, willy's bid was indeed tied up to matt barnes. Commish will confirm.

Confirmed. Now allowed to rescind bids, never have been.

[MJallday59]

That's actually not what it means. That's the definition you're giving it.

4 Years
+ 1 Year = 5 Years
Average year = 2.5 Years

Your offer - 5.5 Millions/2.5 Years = 2.2 Million per AAV
My Offer - 16 Million/2.5 Years = 6.2 Million per AAV

The two deals are mutually exclusive, they have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Your deal is one deal, and mine is a different deal. You take each deal to find their AAV, not combine all the offers.

Sure thing dude. Your rules...

The logic makes 0 sense. A one year deal at 10 mil > 3 year 27 million starting at 9 million?

[Karmaloop]

Sure thing dude. Your rules...

The logic makes 0 sense. A one year deal at 10 mil > 3 year 27 million starting at 9 million?

Then how do you propose we solve it? Because looking purely at the contracts, and not paying attention to the situation clearly isn't the answer either. Wright stands to play 30+ minutes for my team shooting 3's and playing good defense, and then going back into free agency for a bigger deal next offseason. There is no perfect way to run FA. This is IMO the most black and white way to do it.