Twist Draft 1st round. Need your votes judges...

Post #41 » by **Gremz** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:00 pm

I will be voting roughly 12 hours from now. So any last minute adjustments can be made in that time.

Sports Arsenal · Post #42 » by **Sports Arsenal** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:56 am

Good luck to all...

Teddy KGB · Post #43 » by **Teddy KGB** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:37 am

good luck to all... except denied.

Post #44 » by **dockingsched** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:46 am

good luck denied

Teddy KGB · Post #45 » by **Teddy KGB** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:18 am

dcash4 wrote:good luck denied

Sports Arsenal · Post #46 » by **Sports Arsenal** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:11 pm

You can cut the tension with a knife

Post #47 » by **Gremz** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:47 pm

Poopdamoop and MK win by default.

Will try to get a complete judgment soon, busy with other tasks atm.

poopdamoop · Post #48 » by **poopdamoop** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:59 pm

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Post #49 » by **CellarDoor** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:10 pm

Since apparently Gremz' 12 hours turned into more, and i'm bored at work, it looks like I have to break ties. FYI, I am withholding judgement on one match-up for two reasons: first, it's pretty damn close, second, i'm really hoping the other two judges just agree, although Gremz has a bad habit of voting to tie things up so he doesn't have to decide. If he does such, he will be fired as the poolboy and have to live with the livestock.

Hoffa v. BlackIce

Incredibly tight match-up. One incredibly talented team and one team that fits together very nicely.
Positives for Hoffa: incredible scoring and shooting, three guys I'd be happy to give a clutch shot to at any given time. Solid rebounding, underrated wing defense, especially when neither wing is carrying the team.
Negatives: Absolutely no post defense to speak of. Amare shows flashes, but he's just as likely to play you out of a game on that end. Only one basketball. Nash is a creator, and when Kobe and Pierce are creating he's turned into a jumpshooter. It's like having Steve Kerr on your team (which isn't a bad thing, just not as good as Nash looks). Chemistry. I'm trying not to put TOO much weight on chemistry since it's a 12 team league but really. Sending Iverson home for the POs? Martin and Kaman playing 9 minutes? Ball dominant 20ppg scorers on high volume all over? I don't see any way to reconcile all of that and while I could potentially see your starting 1-3 and 5 being able to get past it, guys like Stoudamire and Iverson are going to be headaches.

BlackIce positives: Post defense. Perkins is the most notable guy here, but Varejo is underrated in this regard as well. Having a very good defensive big who can rebound and set screens for you is a nice luxury, especially when they score within the offense. Non ball dominant wings: Allen and Salmons can both score very well, but neither NEED the ball to do so (less true for Salmons). This leaves you with CP3 running your team and Bosh as your other primary option, but still with very deadly options. Defense. There's only one position where I'd say you don't have a strong defensive player (the 4), and given CP3s talents it's possible to send them into the game and D up while playing off CP3s drive and kicks.
Negatives: Rebounding. While your match-up down low is played pretty much to a draw, your two wing positions get outrebounded pretty handily and most of your back-ups aren't particularly strong either. Ball dominance. The reverse problem of Hoffa, where's your secondary ballhandler. If CP3 gets injured or in foul trouble you're faced with long stretches with John Salmons at PG.

In the end I see too many chemistry issues on Hoffa's team and not enough exploitable flaws on BlackIce's. In an incredibly close series I'm taking BlackIce in 7.

Post #50 » by **CellarDoor** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:11 pm

Gremz wrote:Poopdamoop and MK win by default.

Will try to get a complete judgment soon, busy with other tasks atm.

And to make it official, here are their second votes.

Post #51 » by **CellarDoor** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:24 pm

KGB v. Denied

Honestly I was ready to give this to KGB in 5 before the rebuttals started coming in, so Kudos to denied on making it interesting...
KGB Positives: Balance. Balanced scoring all around including probably the best or 2nd best pure scorer in the game. Passing: Everyone in the starting line-up and every wing/pg in the rotation is at worst a competant passer.
KGB Negatives: D at the C position. Neither player is particularly strong defensively. Ok that's really my biggest and only problem with the team, but when you're going against Howard, it's a fairly big issue.

Denied Positives: C defense. Dwight and Emeka are arguably the two best defenders at that position. Weakside defense. Between Dwight, Birdman, Crash, and SMoove, beating your man against this team isn't going to mean much.
Denied Negatives: man defense everywhere but C. Crash and Smoove are good help defenders, but neither are impressive on-ball. Kidd has definitely lost a step and is guarding the lightning quick Parker, and VC is very average. No minutes rotation: I have no idea how many minutes anyone are playing on your team. Back-up PF position. Smoove isn't a conventional PF which is fine, but what are you going to do when he's benched? your floor spacing is going to suffer greatly when you've got two big men who operate within 10 ft of the basket.

In the end in this series it comes down to Dwight's dominance and KGB's ability to slow him down and Denied's ability to slow down Melo and Parker (HM to Garnett). I think it's pretty well established that swarming and fouling Dwight is the only defense KGB can really play here, but it IS effective. Meanwhile I've yet to see someone come up with a way to slow down Parker over a series recently and I'm not convinced that Crash is going to be able to keep up with Melo man-on.

KGB in 7

Post #52 » by **CellarDoor** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:42 pm

Mascot v. Bryant

Mascot positives: Lebron. Having him out there does wonders for any team. Perimeter defense. He's got a guy mentioned as the best defender at PG, and two of the best at SF with one playing SG. Shooting. With the exception of Marc Gasol and a somewhat shaky Kenyon Martin, everyone in that rotation is someone you're not crazy about leaving open.

Mascot negatives: Interior defense. Martin has his moments, but as many nice moments he has, many more are boneheaded. Z, Odom, and Gasol aren't scaring anyone. Scoring. After Lebron and his back-up Gay, who are we supposed to be afraid of? Not one person on that team is going to scare anyone.

Bryant positives: Scoring/clutch. Who on earth does the defense try to stop or gameplan for in the clutch? Okur, Rose, Roy, and Granger have all had very clutch moments, and the latter two go off and can beat you themselves pretty often (Rose as well). Spacing. Everyone in the rotation except Noah has at least enough range to back you out of the paint and let Rose and Roy in.
Negatives: Ball dominance. Granger operates with the ball a fair amount, Roy is a defacto PG, and Roses's shooting isn't exceptional enough to allow him to play off the ball. Again beyond this I don't see too many negatives.

Bryant in 7.

-MK- · Post #53 » by **-MK-** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:18 pm

CellarDoor wrote:
Gremz wrote:Poopdamoop and MK win by default.

Will try to get a complete judgment soon, busy with other tasks atm.

And to make it official, here are their second votes.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Sports Arsenal · Post #54 » by **Sports Arsenal** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:23 pm

CellarDoor wrote:
Gremz wrote:Poopdamoop and MK win by default.

Will try to get a complete judgment soon, busy with other tasks atm.

And to make it official, here are their second votes.

Congratulations guys

Teddy KGB · Post #55 » by **Teddy KGB** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:33 pm

Well, what did you want me to say about how to defend Dwight

Post #56 » by **CellarDoor** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:42 pm

Teddy KGB wrote:Well, what did you want me to say about how to defend Dwight

Defensively I would have liked to see you not try to convince me that Bogut had any prayer of slowing him down and commit to a hard double off of Smith of Wallace..neither of whom is going to hurt you from range.

bringbackhoffa · Post #57 » by **bringbackhoffa** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:30 pm

CellarDoor wrote:
In the end I see too many chemistry issues on Hoffa's team and not enough exploitable flaws on BlackIce's. In an incredibly close series I'm taking BlackIce in 7.

Kobe's reaction :noway:

Pierce's,Nash's, and Amare's Reaction :crowded:

Iversons Reaction: :rofl2:

Teddy KGB · Post #58 » by **Teddy KGB** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:32 pm

CellarDoor wrote:
Teddy KGB wrote:Well, what did you want me to say about how to defend Dwight

Defensively I would have liked to see you not try to convince me that Bogut had any prayer of slowing him down and commit to a hard double off of Smith of Wallace..neither of whom is going to hurt you from range.

Well I did say that I would attempt to clog the lane because neither Smith or Wallace have any appreciable range...

Post #59 » by **CellarDoor** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:47 pm

That only implies you're playing a zone, not that they're coming down on howard when he touches the ball.

Post #60 » by **CellarDoor** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:50 pm

bringbackhoffa wrote:
CellarDoor wrote:
In the end I see too many chemistry issues on Hoffa's team and not enough exploitable flaws on BlackIce's. In an incredibly close series I'm taking BlackIce in 7.

Kobe's reaction

Pierce's,Nash's, and Amare's Reaction

Iversons Reaction:

erm, is that an argument, or just trying to get the last word in?