GM a Team 2010 - Rules & sign up

[sterncohen]

UTAH JAZZ
sterncohen@comcast.net

coming soon

[roc]

BlackIce I already listed you in the roster thread, you have the Spurs of course.

and

sterncohen, I think you meant for that post to go in the roster thread instead.

[CellarDoor]

I'd be willing to join this game, but not having extensions completely wrecks the game.

How is Bryant going to trade Bosh when it's up to what amounts to a lottery whether or not they can get him resigned. Same thing with the Suns and Amare, Wade, Joe Johnson, etc. Eliminating the extensions in a game centered around the 2010 year is going to kill it imo.

I'll still be reading the thread, so if you need anything administrative done w/ Stickies and whatnot and Bryant isn't around let me know.

[Snakebites]

Alright, r0cd0ggy, I'm in this sucker if you'll have me.

Denver, please.

artiethestrongest@gmail.com

I've never done one of these, but you know I'm very active at a very consistent level.

[Klomp]

ShamSports.com for salaries? Theres another one I use that is very prompt in updating, as well as accurate: LINK

Its run by another RGMer, MilMinMan.

[poopdamoop]

If you don;t mind having another newbie, I'll take Golden State

[roc]

I'd be willing to join this game, but not having extensions completely wrecks the game.

How is Bryant going to trade Bosh when it's up to what amounts to a lottery whether or not they can get him resigned. Same thing with the Suns and Amare, Wade, Joe Johnson, etc. Eliminating the extensions in a game centered around the 2010 year is going to kill it imo.

I'll still be reading the thread, so if you need anything administrative done w/ Stickies and whatnot and Bryant isn't around let me know.

There is a good reason behind not having extensions this go round. If it works out, cool beans, if not...

This game will move along quickly and give us a good idea about how some of these new wrinkles work or don't so next go round we can refine further.

[CellarDoor]

I'd be willing to join this game, but not having extensions completely wrecks the game.

How is Bryant going to trade Bosh when it's up to what amounts to a lottery whether or not they can get him resigned. Same thing with the Suns and Amare, Wade, Joe Johnson, etc. Eliminating the extensions in a game centered around the 2010 year is going to kill it imo.

I'll still be reading the thread, so if you need anything administrative done w/ Stickies and whatnot and Bryant isn't around let me know.

There is a good reason behind not having extensions this go round. If it works out, cool beans, if not...

This game will move along quickly and give us a good idea about how some of these new wrinkles work or don't so next go round we can refine further.

Which is...?

To validate your method of gameplay from the last game?

[roc]

Snakebites#1 and poopdamoop...

You will both be on the short list to fill out the game but the returning players get 1st crack.

Odds are you will probably get the teams you want but we will have to wait a bit.

[roc]

ShamSports.com for salaries? Theres another one I use that is very prompt in updating, as well as accurate: LINK

Its run by another RGMer, MilMinMan.

We will continue to use shamsports 1st and foremost but when a salary is missing we can use the site you suggested as the 2nd source. If neither have it then where ever a salary can be found will have to do until one of those 2 sites updates with a correct salary.

[Snakebites]

Snakebites#1 and poopdamoop...

You will both be on the short list to fill out the game but the returning players get 1st crack.

Odds are you will probably get the teams you want but we will have to wait a bit.

K.

Whats the time table on how long that "first crack" lasts before we would be penciled in?

[Miller4ever]

If the Pacers are around, I'll take them.

[MadNESS]

i would like to join this GM and take the lakers if thats okay.

i was very Very active in the last game up intil like the last week.

i didnt do my write up in the last due to moving in my new house and having a lot of work to do, things have settled down and i can actually get involved again.

if the lakers are not availiable let me know.

cantmesswithness8@yahoo.com

[roc]

Snakebites#1 and poopdamoop...

You will both be on the short list to fill out the game but the returning players get 1st crack.

Odds are you will probably get the teams you want but we will have to wait a bit.

K.

Whats the time table on how long that "first crack" lasts before we would be penciled in?

A day or 2 should be good enough IMO.

[babyjax13]

I will take Charlotte

Babyjax14@yahoo.com

I like the changes you suggested - including the extensions. I think that the draft could be done over a weekend the way you suggest - it sounds like a lot of work for the commissioner.

[roc]

I'd be willing to join this game, but not having extensions completely wrecks the game.

How is Bryant going to trade Bosh when it's up to what amounts to a lottery whether or not they can get him resigned. Same thing with the Suns and Amare, Wade, Joe Johnson, etc. Eliminating the extensions in a game centered around the 2010 year is going to kill it imo.

I'll still be reading the thread, so if you need anything administrative done w/ Stickies and whatnot and Bryant isn't around let me know.

There is a good reason behind not having extensions this go round. If it works out, cool beans, if not...

This game will move along quickly and give us a good idea about how some of these new wrinkles work or don't so next go round we can refine further.

Which is...?

To validate your method of gameplay from the last game?

What it comes down to is players are being traded constantly and a player accepting an extension to play with the team and teammates he has when he and/or his team mates can then be dealt 10 times over before Free Agency even rolls around is somewhat unfeasible.

They can be moved to a bad situation they have no desire to be in.

They can see their team turn into a something they don't want to play for and wouldn't if they were a FA.

They can get FULL value during a FA feeding frenzy.

Besides myself, many of the GMs feel it will benefit the game to have more big name players available come FA. Those player signings should have an interesting domino effect on all the other/lesser FAs on the market.

HOWEVER...

This is not set in stone and is up for debate as are all the rules. We will end up going with majority rule.

I won't be taking a team so it does not affect any of my plans since I have none. Well, I do want to see if I can streamline/refine the game for everyone's enjoyment and make it as absolutely unbiased and fair as possible.

and now a direct reply to your insinuation...

FWIW The main FA target I had in my sights(from the very beginning) in the game that just ended didn't sign an extension. He was the only big name/top tier player that didn't extend.

Weird thing was we didn't do extensions for 09 FAs and that ran smooth as silk, then for some reason in 2010 all of a sudden extensions were allowed and it severely altered the chances many teams had to fulfill their plans

I want everyone to feel like they have a chance...

[BIRDMAN BIRDMAN]

What's my status?

I have an important meeting with my friends later this afternoon, so I won't be much on but I would love to join and take Miami BADLY. Im desperate.

Someone answer me, thanks.

[bcortell]

I think there should be extensions.

[CellarDoor]

What it comes down to is players are being traded constantly and a player accepting an extension to play with the team and teammates he has when he and/or his team mates can then be dealt 10 times over before Free Agency even rolls around is somewhat unfeasible.

If you're playing a "realistic" angle, this happens all the time an is absolutely realistic. (aside from the dealt 10x thing obviously) Take a look at SJax who very well may be wanting out in part because they didn't move people or moved the wrong people. Teams change their direction all the time and players end up unhappy.

They can see their team turn into a something they don't want to play for and wouldn't if they were a FA.

That happens all the time in real life. The difference is most actual teams don't want a malcontent on their team and try to move them.

They can get FULL value during a FA feeding frenzy.

When you're talking about max players that's pretty disingenuous since they're getting the max value they can either way. When you're talking about other players the reasoning is the same as always. They take the sure thing now in case of injury, or because they're only about money and now they can relax, whatever it may be.

Besides myself, many of the GMs feel it will benefit the game to have more big name players available come FA. Those player signings should have an interesting domino effect on all the other/lesser FAs on the market.

If that's how the majority of the teams participants feel then go for it. I'm not going to get in the way of your game, I'm simply stating my case. When Bryant told me the game was starting over I was happy to join. That rule kills it for me. I'm one person though.

HOWEVER...

This is not set in stone and is up for debate as are all the rules. We will end up going with majority rule.

I won't be taking a team so it does not affect any of my plans since I have none. Well, I do want to see if I can streamline/refine the game for everyone's enjoyment and make it as absolutely unbiased and fair as possible.

Which is the way it's always been and is a good practice. And streamlining it is a very admirable desire.

and now a direct reply to your insinuation...

FWIW The main FA target I had in my sights(from the very beginning) in the game that just ended didn't sign an extension. He was the only big name/top tier player that didn't extend.

Weird thing was we didn't do extensions for 09 FAs and that ran smooth as silk, then for some reason in 2010 all of a sudden extensions were allowed and it severely altered the chances many teams had to fulfill their plans

I want everyone to feel like they have a chance...

For the record, an insinuation would be something I was trying to mask. I absolutely was not trying to mask my implication.

Your reasoning in this post has gone back and forth. Do you want realism or do you want everyone to have a chance? In the short term it doesn't go both ways. That's why the games usually have separate categories (who improved the most, best win-now, best set for future, etc). If you want to design a game where I pick up the Knicks and expect to win a title or have the best team in 2010 and all I have to do is package my next four draft picks so I can sign four max players, then that's fine. But it's not the sort of game I want to be involved in.


(Note in case this wasn't clear: I'm not advocating extensions be easy, I'm primarily against the idea of someone trading for an expiring guy and there not being the option of extending him when the trade occurs. That kills the trade value if a team wants to rebuild and lets face it...if you spend months in this game making trades and you've got disincentive to trade your stars, what are you left with?)

[Snakebites]

Not in this yet, but I'll throw in my 2 cents.

I agree, you need some sort of extensions policy.

You can't just say no extensions. There must be some judgment as to whether an extension can take place. For example, if Minnesota trades for Amare they can't give him an 6 year extension. But get rid of extensions and its just everyone vying for cap space the whole game. It just takes so much dimension from the game. Tanking for cap space SHOULD be a gamble.