Doin' Work GM-A-Team Discussion

[Warriorfan]

I would volunteer to help with one of the Free Agency periods . Will others non in the comp be acting as agents in the Howard Paul year I think it would be important.

[dan_atko97]

ok i'm cool with co-commishing and a fa role

i have a question, i didn't play this last game, so im not sure how it went. in the fa did the agents for FA's work better or should we just do i fa organisor for them all?

also, i won't be able to be the main commish as i have school again soon. i will be able to co-commish though as a do have some spare time.

[Karmaloop]

Also, @Dan_atko and @NBA Champs, us three will be commishing together? I can run the 2012 Draft, if each of you can run one of the FA's. Also, one of us will have to be the "main commish" that starts the threads and gets the teams set in the beginning. I just commished and did that, so if one of you 2 can, thatd be great. I can do the full draft though. I also think we should be getting the signups going soon.

Thanks

I'd suggest not doing sign ups until the winner is declared for this game. Otherwise, people will have to go back and rerank their top 3.

[Karmaloop]

Lol. Call me simple, but I think "pulling names out of a hat" is the best option for picking teams. Totally random. How I'd do it, for example, EVERYONE who had Minnesota as their first option would have their named put into a "hat"..then you simply pick. Now everyone else would be group with their 2nd ranked teams and so on. Whomever ends up with a team, due to the fact that the teams left were not one of their choices would then be notified of the remaining teams. Then, those people woul have the option of ranking the remaining teams if they still had interest in playing. I think it could work.

I'm not sure the way we pick teams is an issue, I just don't see the need to change something that doesn't need changing. I just think that it should remain the same. It ain't broken, so don't fix it.

[nikkoewan]

can I add another thing for the next game?

i'd gladly do the selection of teams. my comment about is that, why even stress the need for a "1st, 2nd and 3rd" choice when its more a combination than a permutation? let me do the lottery and i'll make it a permutation. i'll gladly show the calculations if you wish.. this way people with team X as 1st choice are prioritized in the lottery..

What? I attempted to get everyone one of their top two choices, but unfortunately due to overlapping interests and the fact that no one ranked Dallas in their top 3 some people were forced to have their third ranked team, while someone had to take Dallas. It's already random as it is, I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do to make it more random. If I (or anyone else for that matter) don't want to play as Phoenix, why should we be "forced" to have them? The whole idea of a top 3 is to get teams you'd prefer to have. No guarantee you'll get them, but it does increase the odds of it happening.

my concern came from the fact that, NBAChamps and I had Hornets ranked 1, and then ZackAttack had it at 3, and ZackAttack got the Hornets.

[Karmaloop]

my concern came from the fact that, NBAChamps and I had Hornets ranked 1, and then ZackAttack had it at 3, and ZackAttack got the Hornets.

So it's better to give first preferences and screw someone out of one of their top three choices? It's impossible to please everyone with their #1 choice, so I did the best to give everyone one of their top 3 choices. Besides, that will kill the whole "hiding" who has which team. If I'm the only that ranked Dallas my #1 choice, and Kees is the only one who ranked Minnesota as #1, what's stopping us from completing a Dirk Nowitzki-Kevin Love deal?

[SamBone]

karm, can you explaine more to me about what you are saying here? Noyt at all complaining about where you put me, more wondering your reasonings

Philadelphia 76ers - Nice group as a whole, but no real direction IMO. Seems like there is two different directions going. One appears to be a win now, while the other is a win later. Probably would be better suited choosing one way and working that angle.

considering you think Sac (again, not a complaint, that team is great!) is set up to win in 2017 while they are almost all older then my guys? Yes, my talent can compete in the current (like OKC has for the past few seasons) but is built to contend in the future. While I am unsure if that could happen, I am not sure how a starting unit of players aged 21, 25, 23, 26, and 23 and has a 24 yearold backup defensive C and 4 current year drafted 1st rounds (including pick #3) on the bench is not clearly built for the future?

Plus I am almost $12mil under the cap in the current season (sort of meaningless except that it saved ownership a TON!) and have $10 mil in cap next summer

[-Kees-]

ok i'm cool with co-commishing and a fa role

i have a question, i didn't play this last game, so im not sure how it went. in the fa did the agents for FA's work better or should we just do i fa organisor for them all?

also, i won't be able to be the main commish as i have school again soon. i will be able to co-commish though as a do have some spare time.

It went decently. The agents and the runners of FA need to communicate more on when to announce the signings, but other than that, I think we should do it again this round.

Any former players want to be agents for the FA's in this round?


Also, we have a set order now: (and Dan_atko and I have talked about how to split up the commishing role)

Trades
2011 FA (I will run this)
Trades
2012 Draft (I will run this)
2012 FA (Dan will run this)
Trades
Writeups
Rankings

We will make the signup thread as soon as we get the winner declared.

[-Kees-]

I also have a question for Karmaloop:

New York Knicks - They seem to be built a bit better than how the current Knicks are, but they still have too many different parts. Putting a 2/3 of Marcus Thornton and Joe Johnson is going to have issues defensively, as both are more natural shooting guards. A frontcourt combo of Amare Stoudemire/Joakim Noah is pretty scary though. Depth is still an issue, but it's better than it was before.

Joe Johnson, a 6'8'' 235 LBS wing, can't guard SF's? LeBron himself is only 5 LBS bigger, and I don't see very many people saying he can't guard SF's. Also, in RL, ATL always goes with a lineup of Horford/Smoove/JJ/Crawford/Teague, with JJ covering the SF.

Thornton realy proved in SAC that he has the speed and ability to stay in front of other SG's and knock the ball away from them.

Not tryin to start anything here, but if there is anything wrong with my team, thats not it.

[nikkoewan]

my concern came from the fact that, NBAChamps and I had Hornets ranked 1, and then ZackAttack had it at 3, and ZackAttack got the Hornets.

So it's better to give first preferences and screw someone out of one of their top three choices? It's impossible to please everyone with their #1 choice, so I did the best to give everyone one of their top 3 choices. Besides, that will kill the whole "hiding" who has which team. If I'm the only that ranked Dallas my #1 choice, and Kees is the only one who ranked Minnesota as #1, what's stopping us from completing a Dirk Nowitzki-Kevin Love deal?

here's the thing, i knew that there was a slight chance i wouldn't get the Hornets. I understand that. but 1.) i don't do deals until the game starts.. People were already asking me about CP3 and i told them i won't deal until teams are final. 2.) it was highly unlikely that ZackAttack got it. there was still a chance, but highly unlikely. then again, probability is a bitch.. 3.) if the system you have is fine, then we won't change it. I was just making a suggestion..

[NW7]

Not sure if someone already mentioned this, but how will the 2012 draft order be determined for the upcoming game?

[NBA Champs]

I suggest WE DO NOT disclose who has what team until ALL TEAMS are filled, it would prevent behind the scenes dealing, which in my opinion is unfair.

[poopdamoop]

14 San Antonio Spurs: Not a lot of action - pretty flat results IMO.

Little confused here. I trade all but two players from the original team and that's considered not a lot of action? I turned a 1st round team into a team with the best PF in the league and a top 5 SG + SF and those are pretty flat results? Wow. I can understand not being ranked highly overall, there are teams who definitely did a better job than me, but Miller/Ginobili/Wallace/Dirk/Haywood is much, MUCH better than the original Spurs. Hell that team is better than the original Mavs as well.

[Karmaloop]

here's the thing, i knew that there was a slight chance i wouldn't get the Hornets. I understand that. but 1.) i don't do deals until the game starts.. People were already asking me about CP3 and i told them i won't deal until teams are final. 2.) it was highly unlikely that ZackAttack got it. there was still a chance, but highly unlikely. then again, probability is a bitch.. 3.) if the system you have is fine, then we won't change it. I was just making a suggestion..

1.) I'm not questioning your motives, but there have been instances in the past where people have done deal arranged before teams were "officially" announced. There was a big uproar after that since people were inquiring on players before trades were ready to be announced, only to find out they had already been dealt.

2.) So by your logic, it's better to screw someone out of their top 3 choices and to give someone their #1 choice than it is to make sure that everyone, or almost everyone got one of their top three choices? You got your #2 choice, while NBA Champs got his #3 choice. By your logic, we should have stuck ZackAttack with Detroit even though he didn't rank him in their top 3. The point of ranking a top 3 is so that most people get a say in who they get, and hopefully everyone should get one of them.

3.) I've played several games where I didn't even get one of my top two choices, it's just kind of the way it works out. It happens, and quite frankly it makes it a bit more interesting. I just don't see a need for a massive overhaul when it already works fine. We've been doing it this way for a while now, and we're just now hearing issues with it.

[Karmaloop]

I suggest WE DO NOT disclose who has what team until ALL TEAMS are filled, it would prevent behind the scenes dealing, which in my opinion is unfair.

That's what has been the standard for the last few games. Only the commish should know who has which team, and the commish should respect those rules and not abuse them. Heck, my first deal wasn't until a few days after trading began.

[Karmaloop]

Not sure if someone already mentioned this, but how will the 2012 draft order be determined for the upcoming game?

We'd probably do FA, then trades, stop and rank and then do the draft from that order.

[Karmaloop]

Joe Johnson, a 6'8'' 235 LBS wing, can't guard SF's? LeBron himself is only 5 LBS bigger, and I don't see very many people saying he can't guard SF's. Also, in RL, ATL always goes with a lineup of Horford/Smoove/JJ/Crawford/Teague, with JJ covering the SF.

Thornton realy proved in SAC that he has the speed and ability to stay in front of other SG's and knock the ball away from them.

Not tryin to start anything here, but if there is anything wrong with my team, thats not it.

Joe Johnson is more of a PG/SG tweener than an actual SG/SF tweener. Neither Thornton nor Johnson are particular great defenders, and both seem more like two guards than SF so there might be some issues.

[-Kees-]

Joe Johnson, a 6'8'' 235 LBS wing, can't guard SF's? LeBron himself is only 5 LBS bigger, and I don't see very many people saying he can't guard SF's. Also, in RL, ATL always goes with a lineup of Horford/Smoove/JJ/Crawford/Teague, with JJ covering the SF.

Thornton realy proved in SAC that he has the speed and ability to stay in front of other SG's and knock the ball away from them.

Not tryin to start anything here, but if there is anything wrong with my team, thats not it.

Joe Johnson is more of a PG/SG tweener than an actual SG/SF tweener. Neither Thornton nor Johnson are particular great defenders, and both seem more like two guards than SF so there might be some issues.

I understand where you are coming from, but just because he can handle like a combo guard doesn't mean he doesn't have the size (again, 6'8'', 235) to guard SF's. What makes Melo able to guard SF's better than JJ?

I understand that he normally plays SG, but the only things he needs to be able to do are play offense and defense like a SF. He can certainly play like a SF on offense, and he has the size to do it on D. I get if you think he's a bad defender, but that is much different from not being able to guard 3s.

[-Kees-]

Not sure if someone already mentioned this, but how will the 2012 draft order be determined for the upcoming game?

We'd probably do FA, then trades, stop and rank and then do the draft from that order.

Thats correct. We will say like "2011/2012 season is over" then everyone will submit their rankings to the commish (either me or Dan_atko), then they total them up and thats how we determine it.

[MagicalMe]

Another one newbie question from me:

In the rankings, everybody can vote, or only those, who play are able to vote?