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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#501 » by Fadeaway_J » Sat Sep 1, 2018 8:13 pm

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Players who have made an all-star team have to be teammates of an MVP, but everyone who has never made an all-star team is eligible

Also are the MVPs themselves not in this draft? Maybe MVPs and teammates of an MVP should be allowed



My original thought with this idea was to have different players picked than the usual ones that we see in just about every game.

No MVP picked> Only the teammates of an MVP in the season he was MVP can be picked. It will be rather weak teams compared to the usual ones we pick but it will take thinking and fitting players together.


I like it without the MVPs, tbh. Reminds me of the no all-NBA draft in terms of qualtiy of player. You'd have to use the season in which their teammate was MVP, I assume.

I don't know, I'm not seeing too many MVP teammates (assuming we use that specific season) that I'd want as my #1 guy even in a more restricted draft. Who's the best of that group that never won an MVP? Scottie Pippen? Amar'e Stoudemire? Kevin McHale? Doesn't exactly set the pulses racing.

Edit: I guess it would be Wade but the general idea remains.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#502 » by migya » Sat Sep 1, 2018 10:57 pm

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Laimbeer wrote:
migya wrote:

My original thought with this idea was to have different players picked than the usual ones that we see in just about every game.

No MVP picked> Only the teammates of an MVP in the season he was MVP can be picked. It will be rather weak teams compared to the usual ones we pick but it will take thinking and fitting players together.


I like it without the MVPs, tbh. Reminds me of the no all-NBA draft in terms of qualtiy of player. You'd have to use the season in which their teammate was MVP, I assume.

I don't know, I'm not seeing too many MVP teammates (assuming we use that specific season) that I'd want as my #1 guy even in a more restricted draft. Who's the best of that group that never won an MVP? Scottie Pippen? Amar'e Stoudemire? Kevin McHale? Doesn't exactly set the pulses racing.

Edit: I guess it would be Wade but the general idea remains.



The talent pool would certainly be alot smaller, probably too much in favor of the top 5 or 6 picks actually. It would do for an interesting game, much strategy involved.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#503 » by Fadeaway_J » Sat Sep 1, 2018 11:11 pm

migya wrote:
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I like it without the MVPs, tbh. Reminds me of the no all-NBA draft in terms of qualtiy of player. You'd have to use the season in which their teammate was MVP, I assume.

I don't know, I'm not seeing too many MVP teammates (assuming we use that specific season) that I'd want as my #1 guy even in a more restricted draft. Who's the best of that group that never won an MVP? Scottie Pippen? Amar'e Stoudemire? Kevin McHale? Doesn't exactly set the pulses racing.

Edit: I guess it would be Wade but the general idea remains.



The talent pool would certainly be alot smaller, probably too much in favor of the top 5 or 6 picks actually. It would do for an interesting game, much strategy involved.

I don't mind the idea as a whole but there has to be a way to get some talent in at the top of the draft. Maybe waive the MVP teammate requirement for one player only, but that player can't have won an MVP himself.
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Post#504 » by migya » Sat Sep 1, 2018 11:15 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
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Fadeaway_J wrote:I don't know, I'm not seeing too many MVP teammates (assuming we use that specific season) that I'd want as my #1 guy even in a more restricted draft. Who's the best of that group that never won an MVP? Scottie Pippen? Amar'e Stoudemire? Kevin McHale? Doesn't exactly set the pulses racing.

Edit: I guess it would be Wade but the general idea remains.



The talent pool would certainly be alot smaller, probably too much in favor of the top 5 or 6 picks actually. It would do for an interesting game, much strategy involved.

I don't mind the idea as a whole but there has to be a way to get some talent in at the top of the draft. Maybe waive the MVP teammate requirement for one player only, but that player can't have won an MVP himself.



Goes against the theme. Maybe picking one mvp each will do.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#505 » by Fadeaway_J » Sat Sep 1, 2018 11:21 pm

migya wrote:
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The talent pool would certainly be alot smaller, probably too much in favor of the top 5 or 6 picks actually. It would do for an interesting game, much strategy involved.

I don't mind the idea as a whole but there has to be a way to get some talent in at the top of the draft. Maybe waive the MVP teammate requirement for one player only, but that player can't have won an MVP himself.



Goes against the theme. Maybe picking one mvp each will do.

That works as well.
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Post#506 » by 8on » Sun Sep 2, 2018 12:02 am

an edit to the Classmates idea:

two players from four different draft classes, but in single picks instead of double picks.
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Post#507 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Sep 2, 2018 12:16 am

migya wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
migya wrote:

The talent pool would certainly be alot smaller, probably too much in favor of the top 5 or 6 picks actually. It would do for an interesting game, much strategy involved.

I don't mind the idea as a whole but there has to be a way to get some talent in at the top of the draft. Maybe waive the MVP teammate requirement for one player only, but that player can't have won an MVP himself.



Goes against the theme. Maybe picking one mvp each will do.


How about you are allowed 1 player who was teammates with an MVP at any point in their career - so you can pick 2010 Lebron (played with Shaq) for example. The other 7 have to be teammates during the MVP year.
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Post#508 » by migya » Sun Sep 2, 2018 12:26 am

Dr Positivity wrote:
migya wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:I don't mind the idea as a whole but there has to be a way to get some talent in at the top of the draft. Maybe waive the MVP teammate requirement for one player only, but that player can't have won an MVP himself.



Goes against the theme. Maybe picking one mvp each will do.


How about you are allowed 1 player who was teammates with an MVP at any point in their career - so you can pick 2010 Lebron (played with Shaq) for example. The other 7 have to be teammates during the MVP year.



Think the theme of 1 mvp and teammates of an mvp had enough talent from 1980 onwards and stays with the theme well. Depends what everyone wants.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#509 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Sep 2, 2018 12:28 am

Dr Positivity wrote:
migya wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:I don't mind the idea as a whole but there has to be a way to get some talent in at the top of the draft. Maybe waive the MVP teammate requirement for one player only, but that player can't have won an MVP himself.



Goes against the theme. Maybe picking one mvp each will do.


How about you are allowed 1 player who was teammates with an MVP at any point in their career - so you can pick 2010 Lebron (played with Shaq) for example. The other 7 have to be teammates during the MVP year.

One MVP + seven MVP teammates (all in an MVP season) is more straightforward to me.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#510 » by 8on » Sun Sep 2, 2018 7:48 pm

no traction on only the first round of the NBA draft. I could start it, unless the idea above was more desirable
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Post#511 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Sep 2, 2018 10:48 pm

8on wrote:no traction on only the first round of the NBA draft. I could start it, unless the idea above was more desirable


Not crazy about it. I think it wouldn't affect that many players

Has there been a lottery picks only draft? Or lotto and 1 non lotto could be strategic
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Post#512 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Sep 2, 2018 11:01 pm

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8on wrote:no traction on only the first round of the NBA draft. I could start it, unless the idea above was more desirable


Not crazy about it. I think it wouldn't affect that many players

Has there been a lottery picks only draft? Or lotto and 1 non lotto could be strategic

Very few good role players are picked in the lottery. Even with an exception, you're looking at some weirdly unbalanced teams.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#513 » by 8on » Sun Sep 2, 2018 11:25 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
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8on wrote:no traction on only the first round of the NBA draft. I could start it, unless the idea above was more desirable


Not crazy about it. I think it wouldn't affect that many players

Has there been a lottery picks only draft? Or lotto and 1 non lotto could be strategic

Very few good role players are picked in the lottery. Even with an exception, you're looking at some weirdly unbalanced teams.


plenty were picked in the first round, though.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#514 » by Laimbeer » Mon Sep 3, 2018 12:33 am

Fadeaway_J wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:
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Goes against the theme. Maybe picking one mvp each will do.


How about you are allowed 1 player who was teammates with an MVP at any point in their career - so you can pick 2010 Lebron (played with Shaq) for example. The other 7 have to be teammates during the MVP year.

One MVP + seven MVP teammates (all in an MVP season) is more straightforward to me.


Can you draft someone like Kobe as a MVP teammate in a season Shaq won it?
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#515 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Sep 3, 2018 12:37 am

Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:
How about you are allowed 1 player who was teammates with an MVP at any point in their career - so you can pick 2010 Lebron (played with Shaq) for example. The other 7 have to be teammates during the MVP year.

One MVP + seven MVP teammates (all in an MVP season) is more straightforward to me.


Can you draft someone like Kobe as a MVP teammate in a season Shaq won it?

My understanding was no, but it's migya's idea so it's up to him.
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Post#516 » by DCRYsing89 » Mon Sep 3, 2018 12:43 am

Nationality (1 player per nation)
This would hurt teams depth majorly
Like Nations that have had NBA players I can list off top of head
America, Canada, Brazil, Dominican republic, Australia, NZ, Russia, France, Spain, Lithuania, Latvia, Greece, The Central Euro Countries, Cameroon.
Enough internationals there to spread out tho not many stars making more team building less star oriented,
To not make it confusing with Kyrie and Simmons types its the nation they most recently declared for or represented,
Same regulations as other games apply otherise.

Height I would be interested to do, especially with modern smallball teams and having Shaq available.
Say 52ft of height, on average 6'5" so you get penalised for stars outside of most guards.
Making a more modern draft likely.

Though honestly I gonna have alot of time on my hands soon (break in study) so I keen for a draft game
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#517 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Sep 3, 2018 12:54 am

Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:
How about you are allowed 1 player who was teammates with an MVP at any point in their career - so you can pick 2010 Lebron (played with Shaq) for example. The other 7 have to be teammates during the MVP year.

One MVP + seven MVP teammates (all in an MVP season) is more straightforward to me.


Can you draft someone like Kobe as a MVP teammate in a season Shaq won it?


I think you should be able to. 2000 Kobe isn't any more overpowered than like 2012 Wade anyways
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#518 » by migya » Mon Sep 3, 2018 12:57 am

Fadeaway_J wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:One MVP + seven MVP teammates (all in an MVP season) is more straightforward to me.


Can you draft someone like Kobe as a MVP teammate in a season Shaq won it?

My understanding was no, but it's migya's idea so it's up to him.



Good pickup, didn'y think of that. What do you all think, should that be alright or not?
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#519 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Sep 3, 2018 1:10 am

migya wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Can you draft someone like Kobe as a MVP teammate in a season Shaq won it?

My understanding was no, but it's migya's idea so it's up to him.



Good pickup, didn'y think of that. What do you all think, should that be alright or not?

It only affects a handful of players so I'm not too bothered.

On another note, should all the players being used as MVPs be picked in the first round? Any time you have a game with a restricted pool and an exception, the top pickers have the option to claim the best of the regular pool and then save their exception for later. For example, someone like 2012 Wade or 1996 Pippen + even a lower-end MVP seems like a clear advantage over the rest of the field.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#520 » by migya » Mon Sep 3, 2018 1:42 am

Fadeaway_J wrote:
migya wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:My understanding was no, but it's migya's idea so it's up to him.



Good pickup, didn'y think of that. What do you all think, should that be alright or not?

It only affects a handful of players so I'm not too bothered.

On another note, should all the players being used as MVPs be picked in the first round? Any time you have a game with a restricted pool and an exception, the top pickers have the option to claim the best of the regular pool and then save their exception for later. For example, someone like 2012 Wade or 1996 Pippen + even a lower-end MVP seems like a clear advantage over the rest of the field.



I don't see it. Off the top of my head there has been about 20-25 MVPS since 1980 and probably only two or three many see as undesireable on a team, so there is plenty to choose from. MVPs should be picked in any round, up to the picker, as each team can only have one MVP anyway. Sure, the top pickers could go for the few stars that were on teams alongside the MVPs but it does even out because most MVPs were on the best teams and there was almost always one or two other great players with them.

I think the rule should be that you can't pick a teammate of an MVP if that player also won an MVP in their careers, otherwise it will diminish the MVPs to choose from pretty quickly. It just means that some of the MVPs won't be picked but some of them don't get picked in these games much anyway, like Iverson and Westbrook.

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