GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - 2012 FA Signings

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Post#61 » by MJallday59 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:28 pm

-Kees- wrote:The whole cap hold thing was a big confusion, I should've made this clear earlier, and had things set up better, sorry to everyone who didn't benefit from it, or lost something.

What happened was WAS came up to me and asked if he could sign some players, then match the offer for Lopez that he knew he would get. I said that doesn't sound right, but the he told me how PHI did it with signing Brand, then re-signing Iggy, I thought I remember hearing about it, so I kinda let it slide, I should've researched it.

Now, Washington wasn't the only one to do this. Charlotte signed Kaman, before matching for Gordon, NYK put a bid in with cap, then missed out, but after then matched Westbrook. Not trying to call anyone out, just pointing out that it wasn't just WAS, and he did sorta get my approval.

Overall, this is my mistake. I should have been clear to everyone from the beginning, and set up the times for matching and the Tiers better so that things like this couldn't happen, and I am sorry to anyone who missed out because of it.

The only thing we can do to try and fix it is just move on. Teams can rank others how they want in the rankings based off of things, I can't prevent that, but we just have to move on. This is just a game, and although that is what we are here for, it still is just a game.

Again, very sorry to anyone who lost from this, and I should've researched the CBA more before signing up for commish, hopefully you guys can get through this and we can finish this game on a good note.

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Post#62 » by MJallday59 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:30 pm

To be honest, we're a bunch of guys playing a game. It's hard as hell to research all the grey areas in the CBA. Teams have lawyers and such committed to it....we have larry coons FAQ.
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Post#63 » by RoyalWun » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:05 pm

Portland Trail Blazers sign:

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Landry Fields: 4 years; $32,086,561

Year 1 - $7,500,000
Year 2 - $7,837,500
Year 3 - $8,190,187
Year 4 - $8,558,874

The New York Knicks have 48 hours to match.
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - 2012 FA Signings 

Post#64 » by SamBone » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:52 pm

RoyalWun wrote:Portland Trail Blazers sign:

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Landry Fields: 4 years; $32,086,561

Year 1 - $7,500,000
Year 2 - $7,837,500
Year 3 - $8,190,187
Year 4 - $8,558,874

The New York Knicks have 48 hours to match.


I am unsure if this changed with the new CBA, but pretty sure that Fields falls into the "Gilbert Arenas rule" and his max salary for his 1st 2 seasons is MLE, then the 3rd season (his 5th as a pro) he then can get a huge increase. I am pretty sure that foir him to sign a 4 year $32mil deal it would need to be

$5m/ $5.225 / $10.65m / 11.129m
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Post#65 » by SamBone » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:42 am

can not find anything stated that the rule was changed in the new CBA, but here is the "official" wording, it is article 38 of the CBA

38. What is the "Gilbert Arenas" provision?
With the previous CBA it was sometimes possible to sign restricted free agents to offer sheets their original teams couldn't match. This happened when a player was an Early Bird or Non-Bird free agent (see question number 19) and the team didn't have enough cap room to match a sufficiently large offer. For example, Gilbert Arenas was Golden State's second round draft pick in 2001, and became an Early Bird free agent in 2003. Golden State therefore could only match an offer sheet (or sign Arenas themselves) for up to the average salary (see question number 25), which was about $4.9 million. Washington signed Arenas to an offer sheet with a starting salary of about $8.5 million, which Golden State was powerless to match.

This loophole was addressed in the current CBA (although not closed completely -- see below). Teams are now limited in the salary they can offer in an offer sheet to a restricted free agent with one or two years in the league. The first-year salary in the offer sheet cannot be greater than the average salary (see question number 25). Limiting the first year salary in this way guarantees that the player's original team will be able to match the offer sheet by using the Early Bird exception (if applicable -- see question number 19), or Mid-Level exception (provided they haven't used it already).

The second year salary in such an offer sheet is limited to the standard 8% raise. The third year salary can jump considerably -- it is allowed to be as high as it would have been had the first year salary not been limited by this rule to the average salary. Raises (and decreases) after the third season are limited to 6.9% of the salary in the third season. The offer sheet can only contain the large jump in the third season if it provides the maximum salary allowed in the first two seasons. In addition, the offer must be guaranteed and cannot contain bonuses of any kind.

If the raise in the third season exceeds the standard raise (8% of the salary in the first season of the contract), then they place an additional restriction on the team. In order to determine the size of the offer the team can make, they don't fit just the first year salary under the cap. Instead, they must fit the average salary in the entire contract under the cap. So a team $8 million under the cap is limited to offering a total of $24 million over three years, $32 million over four years, or $40 million over five years. If the offer sheet does not contain a third-season raise larger than 8% of the first-season salary, then they only have to fit the first year salary under the cap.

Putting this all together, if a team is $11 million under the cap, wants to submit a five year offer sheet, and wants to provide a large raise in the third season, they can offer a total of $55 million. If the average salary is $5 million, then the second year salary will be $5.4 million (8% raise). This leaves $44.6 million to be distributed over the final three seasons. With 6.9% raises in years four and five, the entire contract looks like this:

Season Salary Notes
1 $5.0 million Average salary amount
2 $5.4 million 8% raise over season 1
3 $13.907 million This is the amount that yields $44.6 million over the final three seasons with 6.9% raises*
4 $14.867 million Raise is 6.9% of season 3 salary
5 $15.826 million Raise is 6.9% of season 3 salary
Total $55 million Average is $11 million, which equals the team's cap room



For the team making this offer, this contract would count for $11.0 million (i.e., the average salary in the contract) of team salary in each of the five seasons if they sign the player. If the player's prior team matches the offer and keeps the player, then the actual salary in each season counts as team salary. The player's original team is allowed to use any available exception (e.g., the Mid-Level or the Early-Bird) to match the offer.

Since a team must fit the average salary from the entire contract under the cap in order to offer the large third-season raise, a team must have some amount of cap room above the average salary amount in order to effectively utilize this provision. For example, suppose the average salary amount is $5 million, and a team with $5.1 million of cap room wants to provide a five year offer sheet. If they want to offer a larger-than-normal third-year raise, then their cap room will be determined by the contract's average salary, so the total contract must pay $25.5 million or less. If they offer $5 million and $5.4 million in the first two seasons, then that leaves just $15.1 million for the final three seasons -- so there must be a decrease in salary in the final three seasons. A team in this situation is better off providing the standard 8% raise in the third season, which does not trigger the cap room requirement based on averaging. In this example, a five year offer starting at $5 million with 8% raises would total $29.0 million.


sounds like since the player only has 2 years exp he does not get bird rites yet which means the team would have had the caop space to match, now they can use the MLE to match the players salary. So i guess the team with his rites can't match the offer unless he has the cap space or MLE to use to match which is why the made the max the MLE (i guess, lol)
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Post#66 » by JoebobLollipop » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:33 am

so im not allowed to match?
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Post#67 » by SamBone » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:04 am

hats totally up to kees, he is making up the rules for this round. I was just stating the CBA. and note it was the last CBA, i could not find anything saying it was changed, but that does not mean that it wasn't. This is the exact situation that Washington did to get Gilbert Arenas from GS and the reason the rule was put in. but unless you waived your MLE to sign FAs (matching Westbrook should not have forced you to waive it) you can match using your MLE once the deal is restructured. but that again is up to kees
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Post#68 » by SamBone » Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:31 am

you can follow here

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Post#69 » by Crispy » Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:23 am

The Los Angeles Lakers and Elton Brand have agreed upon a contract. Brand should be a nice fit here, can hit the 15 footer and is still a solid defender. We're happy about a Nash/Bryant/Prince/Brand/Howard starting 5.

(Mini MLE)

Year 1 - $3,000,000
Year 2 - $3,260,869
Year 3 - $3,544,423 (PO)

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Post#70 » by orangeparka » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:11 am

The Wizards are pleased to announce the signing of Kris Humphries to a three-year, $27,458,587 contract.

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8,753,066
9,146,954
9,558,567 (Player Option)

Humphries is a beast on the boards and has a nice, efficient offensive game (14/12). He should be a great fit at the 4/5 with Brook Lopez and Tristan Thompson moving forward. We might've overpaid a little to get him on a three-year deal, so that we wouldn't have trouble extending Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson.
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Post#71 » by -Kees- » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:23 am

Regarding the Fields thing: I think SamBone is right about the 2 year thing, sorry I missed that. If Portland wants to offer that contract ($5m/ $5.225 / $10.65m / 11.129m) then he can do so, and NY has matching rights if he wants.
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Post#72 » by -Kees- » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:28 am

SAS are please to announce the signing of...

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Jeff Green!

$8.4M
$8.2M
$8.0M
$7.8M
$7.6M (TO)

We think he can go back to his 15/6/2/1 days in OKC with the right guys around him, and I think I can get him that. He stretches the floor, rebounds, scores a bit, and just is a quality player to have.
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Post#73 » by SamBone » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:45 am

the Clippers have signed Andre Miller to a 2 year deal worth a little over 5.5mil

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Miller is one of the vets we were looking for he can either start with CP, or come off the bench. He is proving this season that he is comfortable playing that role and he had some unfinished busness to take care of here in LA. Welcom back Dre!

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Post#74 » by Warriorfan » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:06 pm

OKL signs

Leandro Barbosa 2.5 mil, 2.5 mil
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Post#75 » by yitur » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:22 pm

MEM happy to sign Spencer Hawes to 5 years 50M contract 10M per year.
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Post#76 » by RR9 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:45 pm

CHI signs Jason 'JET' Terry to full MLE, 4 yrs (20.5M)

5, 5, 5.25, 5.25 M. Jet will be our 6thman and scoring punch off the bench. his championship experience fits in w/ rondo, paul, and pau pretty nicely!

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Post#77 » by Blazer50 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:18 pm

Nets sign Nick Young to 5 year - 58.0235M contract starting at $10M with raises:
10M; 10.75M; $11.556M; 12.423M & 13.354M
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Post#78 » by Karmaloop » Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:44 pm

The Boston Celtics have a number of free agents that they have signed.

The Celtics sign SF Rashard Lewis to a two year, 13 million deal
2012: 6,500,000
2013: 6,500,000

The Celtics sign PF Kevin Garnett to a two year, 20 million deal with a team option on the third year.
2012: 10,000,000
2013: 10,000,000
2014: 10,000,000 (Team Option)

The Celtics sign C Marcus Camby to a one year, 8 million deal with a team option on the second year.
2012: 8,000,000
2013: 8,600,000
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Post#79 » by lukekarts » Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:13 pm

^ Boston?
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - 2012 FA Signings 

Post#80 » by RoyalWun » Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:41 pm

The Portland Trail Blazers have signed G, J.R. Smith and F, Carl Landry.

Per team policy, details of the contracts cannot be shared...
I'm lying , I'm just too lazy to go through my email since I'm on my phone. Will update later.
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