GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion

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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#781 » by Dan Verze » Thu Feb 2, 2012 9:24 am

Guys, there are two things we should change in the next game:

1) If we are doin' trades before FA the players with exp contracts have very decreased value (Hibbert, Felton etc.), because the team has to re-sign them and re-signing is very tough! Especially UFA. You want to make a realistic offer and you lose your guy for nothing. To solve the problem we should include Extension Talks to the game. So that every team has the chance to talk with an agent about a contract. You make an offer, he says bla bla more money, more years, more options, the team is too bad bla bla, and you make a better offer, and than a final offer. This allows you to re-sign your guy before FA and increases the value to the standard.

2) If you sign a FA, you can't trade him the whole game. These one week, 4 days, 3 days, rules aren't effective. It's not realistic. You have a contending team, you want to re-sign your UFA, but an other team makes a better offer - ok cool. Accept that. I would also take more money. But the team just wants to use the capspace and get players. The GM waits a week and then he got the value for trades. It's so annoying, because if you re-think it, the player wouldn't sign with a team that wants to trade him.

Ok, just shoot me up with your opinions on that. Sorry for Grammar Errors, it's early in the morning here :lol:
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#782 » by -Kees- » Thu Feb 2, 2012 11:32 am

PG: Jennings/Machado/Taylor
SG: Allen/Ellington
SF: Martin/Jackson/Cunningham
PF: Randolph/Lee/Tolliver
Cc: Noah/Nazr

One of Lee/Zbo must go. Looking for a wing, maybe an Iggy/Deng/Granger type to play next to Jennings. Allen/Jackson both available in the right deals.

KMart has been playing great recently. Over the past three games he's 29/2/5 on 53 FG%. He can be moved in the right deal.

Jennings most likely isn't moving. Just put up 31/4/8/4 last night against Miami, it will take a ton for me to move him.

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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#783 » by orangeparka » Thu Feb 2, 2012 11:38 am

Wizards are now at:

DeMarcus Cousins / Byron Mullens / Tyler Zeller / Kosta Koufos
Kris Humphries / Tyrus Thomas / Larry Sanders / Kenneth Faried
Nicolas Batum / Alonzo Gee / Josh Childress
Arron Afflalo / Willie Green
Kyrie Irving / George Hill / Damien Lillard


OTB: Thomas, Mullens, Sanders, Faried, Gee, picks

Hoping to get a great sixth man/fringe wing starter with some of my pieces/depth.

I'm also looking for any good pieces for my TPE ($3,496,283) and picks.

Everyone except DMC/Kyrie is available. Afflalo/Batum/Humphries will only go for upgrades in the starting lineup, since I like their overall fit.

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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#784 » by lukekarts » Thu Feb 2, 2012 2:00 pm

Dan Verze wrote:Guys, there are two things we should change in the next game:

1) If we are doin' trades before FA the players with exp contracts have very decreased value (Hibbert, Felton etc.), because the team has to re-sign them and re-signing is very tough! Especially UFA. You want to make a realistic offer and you lose your guy for nothing. To solve the problem we should include Extension Talks to the game. So that every team has the chance to talk with an agent about a contract. You make an offer, he says bla bla more money, more years, more options, the team is too bad bla bla, and you make a better offer, and than a final offer. This allows you to re-sign your guy before FA and increases the value to the standard.

2) If you sign a FA, you can't trade him the whole game. These one week, 4 days, 3 days, rules aren't effective. It's not realistic. You have a contending team, you want to re-sign your UFA, but an other team makes a better offer - ok cool. Accept that. I would also take more money. But the team just wants to use the capspace and get players. The GM waits a week and then he got the value for trades. It's so annoying, because if you re-think it, the player wouldn't sign with a team that wants to trade him.

Ok, just shoot me up with your opinions on that. Sorry for Grammar Errors, it's early in the morning here :lol:


I agree with you, to a certain extent, that trading re-signed / acquired FA's should be possible. A lot of the FA process involves selling your team to the free agent, so Deron was lured by OKC and Durant in particular.

There does have to be some sort of cut off point though - I think perhaps Tier 1 FA's should be untradeable, but the rest should be moved. I also think extensions should be possible, however they have to be realistic - for example, Hibbert wouldn't sign an extension unless he got the max, maybe Dwight would sign an extension at one of his four teams of choice, etc.

We can pretty much use media information to decide that kind of thing. Something definitely worth discussing.
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#785 » by Blazer50 » Thu Feb 2, 2012 4:47 pm

Another Change to consider in future games:
When a GM has been out of contract for over 3 days, a trade offer can be made to that GM and carbon copied to the Commish. That PENDING TRADE - will be evaluated by the commissioner (or his designee) as to its merits - talent balance, fairness or other rational reasons (cap space, picks, whatever). Once approved, it can be posted by the originating GM to either be confirmed or denied by the "Missing GM". After48 hours, the Trade is confirmed and the teams (assets) are swapped. The "missing GM" has the chance to simply reply - trade denied - or can deal with the originating GM or commissioner, but at least players remain in the game and the active GMs are not stymied by one guy who checks out!! Commish confirms so no one can just steal assets becasue salaries match.

If the guy remains out of the game - the commish has a responsibility to replace that guy, but this is workable alternative and keeps the game moving. A GM who is going on vacation can either post dates or advise the commish they will be out of touch for X days. It's not that difficult and makes the game work for the active GMs.
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#786 » by RoyalWun » Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:02 pm

Blazer50 wrote:Another Change to consider in future games:
When a GM has been out of contract for over 3 days, a trade offer can be made to that GM and carbon copied to the Commish. That PENDING TRADE - will be evaluated by the commissioner (or his designee) as to its merits - talent balance, fairness or other rational reasons (cap space, picks, whatever). Once approved, it can be posted by the originating GM to either be confirmed or denied by the "Missing GM". After48 hours, the Trade is confirmed and the teams (assets) are swapped. The "missing GM" has the chance to simply reply - trade denied - or can deal with the originating GM or commissioner, but at least players remain in the game and the active GMs are not stymied by one guy who checks out!! Commish confirms so no one can just steal assets becasue salaries match.

If the guy remains out of the game - the commish has a responsibility to replace that guy, but this is workable alternative and keeps the game moving. A GM who is going on vacation can either post dates or advise the commish they will be out of touch for X days. It's not that difficult and makes the game work for the active GMs.


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Atlanta seemed to disappear into thin air, especially after Deron left.
Dallas was rarely ever active.
And there are/were a few others who seemed to be non-existent.
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#787 » by moss_is_1 » Thu Feb 2, 2012 7:06 pm

PG: John Wall / Earl Watson / Isaiah Thomas
SG: Courtney Lee / Josh Childress / Danny Green
SF: Danilo Gallinari / Jeff Green / Martell Webster
PF: Tristan Thompson / Larry Sanders
C: Brook Lopez / Nikola Pekovic / Ian Mahinmi / Greg Stiemsma

looking to upgrade my starters at SG and PF. Jeff Green is mainly on the block, but I'd like to combine my depth, or maybe even trade some guys for future picks. Wall/Gallo are hard to get.

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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#788 » by BlackIce » Thu Feb 2, 2012 7:08 pm

Jeremy Lamb on the block.
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#789 » by SamBone » Thu Feb 2, 2012 10:17 pm

clippers looking for a starting SG so we can let Klay be our 6th man,

would like to package Reggie Williams, Mickael Piterus and our 2013 1st
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#790 » by Karmaloop » Thu Feb 2, 2012 10:39 pm

RoyalWun wrote:
Blazer50 wrote:Another Change to consider in future games:
When a GM has been out of contract for over 3 days, a trade offer can be made to that GM and carbon copied to the Commish. That PENDING TRADE - will be evaluated by the commissioner (or his designee) as to its merits - talent balance, fairness or other rational reasons (cap space, picks, whatever). Once approved, it can be posted by the originating GM to either be confirmed or denied by the "Missing GM". After48 hours, the Trade is confirmed and the teams (assets) are swapped. The "missing GM" has the chance to simply reply - trade denied - or can deal with the originating GM or commissioner, but at least players remain in the game and the active GMs are not stymied by one guy who checks out!! Commish confirms so no one can just steal assets becasue salaries match.

If the guy remains out of the game - the commish has a responsibility to replace that guy, but this is workable alternative and keeps the game moving. A GM who is going on vacation can either post dates or advise the commish they will be out of touch for X days. It's not that difficult and makes the game work for the active GMs.


+1
Atlanta seemed to disappear into thin air, especially after Deron left.
Dallas was rarely ever active.
And there are/were a few others who seemed to be non-existent.


-1

I'd rather not put another burden on the commish. The commish has enough on his plate, and no need to add more to it. If a GM goes inactive for an extended period of time, just replace him.
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#791 » by -Kees- » Thu Feb 2, 2012 10:45 pm

^I'm not sure which way I go on this topic. Commishes seem to replace GMs fairly quickly, and I did for 3 GMs this game, and in that sense, IMO it has gone pretty smoothly.

I'm open to other things though, I dont have a huge opinion on this like I do other subjects.
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#792 » by Karmaloop » Thu Feb 2, 2012 11:07 pm

Dan Verze wrote:2) If you sign a FA, you can't trade him the whole game. These one week, 4 days, 3 days, rules aren't effective. It's not realistic. You have a contending team, you want to re-sign your UFA, but an other team makes a better offer - ok cool. Accept that. I would also take more money. But the team just wants to use the capspace and get players. The GM waits a week and then he got the value for trades. It's so annoying, because if you re-think it, the player wouldn't sign with a team that wants to trade him.


I disagree. It's a trading game first and foremost, and we're willing to sacrifice a bit of realism in order to make the game more fun. Now a compromise might be that if a player gets over X amount of money per year (AAV), then he's not eligible to be traded.
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#793 » by Warriorfan » Thu Feb 2, 2012 11:35 pm

I agree this is a trading game first. Overall the no trading signed free agents does spur activity at the end of the game. The 1 week moratoriam is equivalent of the 6 month wait. I would not allow the early pending trades of signed free agents.

A no trade of max contracts unless it is a sign and trade might curb free agent contracts a little.
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#794 » by SamBone » Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:42 am

simply let teams offer a no trade cause if they want
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#795 » by MagicalMe » Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:55 am

Stuckey/Beaubois/Dooling
Allen/Brewer/Jenkins
Beasley/Brewer/Clark
Jefferson/Landry/Bass
Dalembert/Pachulia/Jefferson

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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#796 » by RoyalWun » Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:07 am

RoyalWun wrote:Portland:

Kemba Walker / Aaron Brooks / Patty Mills
Nick Young / Francisco Garcia / Daniel Gibson / Elliot Williams / Malcolm Lee
Kawhi Leonard / Matt Barnes
Tyrus Thomas / Patrick Patterson / Trey Thompkins
Enes Kanter / Kurt Thomas / Chris Johnson / Kosta Koufos

- Still with 17 players (2 unguaranteed contracts in Lee & Thompkins but would prefer to move them).
- Patty Mills / Daniel Gibson / Malcolm Lee can be had for practically an early/future second or late first.
- Looking to package Tyrus Thomas with anyone for an upgrade at PF.
- Same goes for Enes Kanter + anyone for an upgrade at C.
- I'd prefer the returned player to be on a somewhat long contract.
- Kemba Walker and Kawhi Leonard I'd prefer to keep unless a long-term upgrade in that specific position.
- Matt Barnes (3 years; 9mil) and Kurt Thomas need to be on a contender.
- Aaron Brooks ($7.5M) is also on the block, but won't expect much in return
- I do like Nick Young and believe his contract isn't that bad, so not looking to dump him.
- Still have NYK, MIL, and NOH 2013 1st and would like to add them to any deal for a slightly better return.
- Also have about $6M in cap-space I would like to clear.

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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#797 » by Karmaloop » Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:15 am

Dallas Mavericks
PG: Jarrett Jack / Eric Bledsoe / Avery Bradley
SG: Vince Carter / Evan Turner / Dominique Jones
SF: James Posey / Derrick Williams / Xavier Henry
PF: Darrell Arthur / Ed Davis / Bismack Biyombo
C: Brendan Haywood / Jermaine O'Neal / Meyers Leonard

Last chance at getting Jack and Haywood as well as Vince Carter to fill out your team. Jack is playing extremely well, so I expect the return to match that. Carter can be had since Turner needs the minutes anyways. And Haywood is a very good defensive center. Shoot offers on anyone, but Turner/Williams/Davis/Biyombo will be hard to get.

The Celtics roster likely is done making moves, but you can make some offers anyways.
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#798 » by orangeparka » Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:39 am

Washington is currently at:

DeMarcus Cousins / Chris Andersen / Byron Mullens / Tyler Zeller
Kris Humphries / Kenneth Faried / Marcus Morris
Nicolas Batum / Marvin Williams / Corey Brewer
Arron Afflalo / Matt Barnes / Willie Green
Kyrie Irving / George Hill / Damian Lillard


Happy with the roster overall, but always looking to make upgrades. Also wouldn't mind consolidating a bit for a better backup 4/5 or 2/3.

OTB: BJ Mullens, Marcus Morris, Birdman, Marvin Williams, Corey Brewer, George Hill

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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#799 » by Warriorfan » Fri Feb 3, 2012 5:31 am

Looking for sg harrison barnes collison on the block
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Re: GM a Team: Twenty Twelve Edition - Discussion 

Post#800 » by Dan Verze » Fri Feb 3, 2012 8:52 am

SamBone wrote:simply let teams offer a no trade cause if they want


That's a good idea and it should be valued high!

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