Future Draft Games

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

Anyone have any new creative innovative ideas out there (Dr P, Laimbeer, Fade)? Nothing stands out to me imo when glancing at the first post and other posts in this thread. I have been thinking for a while something that might give a new spark but I got nothing at the moment. I have ideas such as restricting the list of winners in these games to see some new faces or drafting young players only with exception but I don’t know. I even looked at other forum games but I couldn’t find anything when looking unless some of you know which other forums play these kind of games that I can take a look at. I don’t mind running it either depending on how much I like the idea.

We never did the Accolades only draft. I.e. one from MVP, FMVP, ASMVP, DPOY, 6MOY, MIP, ROY and HOFer.

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I did this on the Bulls board a while ago so I’m not too interested personally.

Hmm...

[Laimbeer]

Anyone have any new creative innovative ideas out there (Dr P, Laimbeer, Fade)? Nothing stands out to me imo when glancing at the first post and other posts in this thread. I have been thinking for a while something that might give a new spark but I got nothing at the moment. I have ideas such as restricting the list of winners in these games to see some new faces or drafting young players only with exception but I don’t know. I even looked at other forum games but I couldn’t find anything when looking unless some of you know which other forums play these kind of games that I can take a look at. I don’t mind running it either depending on how much I like the idea.

We never did the Accolades only draft. I.e. one from MVP, FMVP, ASMVP, DPOY, 6MOY, MIP, ROY and HOFer.

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I did this on the Bulls board a while ago so I’m not too interested personally.

Hmm...

We've similar accolades drafts here, too.

What do you guys think of a draft where someone else makes your first pick for you? Basically making the worst pick possible - player and season. You eat the FGAs and have to play him as many minutes as he played in the season selected.

[Fadeaway_J]

I liked the games with the accolade restrictions that limited how much star power you could load up. How about a limit for ASG appearances? Say you can only have 30 total on your roster, so if you pick LeBron you've only got 15 remaining. Maybe set a minimum of 10 seasons for current players to prevent younger stars like Giannis and AD from being overpowered.

It wouldn't be a perfect measure of player quality, but it would force you to actually build around stars as opposed to just piling up as many of them as you can.

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

I was always intrigued by the steals draft where you can "steal" a player from somebody. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to participate in that one, but that looked fun. Also, the stair step concept seems somewhat intriguing too.

Let me ponder a little bit more..

[ardee]

How about a minutes upside down draft? The round you pick a player dictates how many minutes he plays in your rotation. I'm not crazy about ten round drafts but it's tough to make a good incline with eight and this is one of those drafts where the interest would build rather than wane.

Round / Minutes
1 /8
2 /12
3 / 16
4/ 20
5 / 24
6/ 24
7/ 28
8/ 32
9 / 36
10 / 40

Why not just do it 8? 5-10-15 and so on.

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[Laimbeer]

How about a minutes upside down draft? The round you pick a player dictates how many minutes he plays in your rotation. I'm not crazy about ten round drafts but it's tough to make a good incline with eight and this is one of those drafts where the interest would build rather than wane.

Round / Minutes
1 /8
2 /12
3 / 16
4/ 20
5 / 24
6/ 24
7/ 28
8/ 32
9 / 36
10 / 40

Why not just do it 8? 5-10-15 and so on.

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Do you mean for eight or ten? For eight, that won't get us enough minutes.

[Laimbeer]

A while back jan suggested a game for players who haven't won a title here. I also think that would be a good pool for a non-draft game in which we all make our teams independently. Tony has done the leg work.

Thoughts?

Inspired by CSF's post last week, I went through and tallied how many times each player has won a game. I'll post a google doc tonight because it is easier to read than in forum. Overall, 301 different players have played for a championship winning team. 91 players have won 5 or more games. Only 18 players have won double-digit number of games. We play a ton of 90s to now games, so I think that the results are skewed towards players from that era. Looking at the top of the leaderboard, at first glance it appears that 3/D players reign supreme. Carmelo Anthony has as many wins as James Harden.

Below you can find how many times each player has won a game by position.

PG
Chris Paul 16
Nate McMillan 13
John Stockton 12
Penny Hardaway 10
Jason Kidd 9
Magic Johnson 9
Steph Curry 8
Steve Nash 8
Chauncey Billups 8
Terry Porter 7
Shaun Livingston 7
Ron Harper 7
Gary Payton 7
George Hill 5
Steve Kerr 5
Kyle Lowry 5
Walt Frazier 5
Mike Conley 5
Rajon Rondo 4
Isiah Thomas 4
Pablo Prigioni 3
Cory Joseph 3
Kevin Johnson 3
Antonio Daniels 3
Patrick Beverley 3
Deron Williams 2
Damian Lillard 2
Oscar Robertson 2
Goran Dragic 2
Sam Cassell 2
Nate Archibald 2
John Wall 2
Mark Jackson 2
Doc Rivers 2
Ben Simmons 2
Russell Westbrook 2
Mookie Blaylock 2
Andre Miller 2
Chris Duhon 1
Isaiah Canaan 1
Terry Rozier 1
Derek Fisher 1
Eric Bledsoe 1
Jaque Vaughn 1
Mark Price 1
Norm Van Lier 1
Mo Cheeks 1
Derek Harper 1
Jim Les 1
John Paxson 1
Kyrie Irving 1
Carlos Arroyo 1
De'Aaron Fox 1
Patty Mills 1
Delon Wright 1
DJ Augustin 1
Tony Parker 1
Jrue Holiday 1
Tyus Jones 1
Ricky Rubio 1
Brent Price 1
Kirk Hinrich 1

SG

Michael Jordan 22
Jimmy Butler 15
Manu Ginobili 13
Andre Iguodala 13
Danny Green 9
Eddie Jones 9
Klay Thompson 7
Doug Christie 7
Reggie Miller 7
Jason Terry 7
Thabo Sefolosha 6
Dwyane Wade 6
Aaron McKie 6
Kobe Bryant 6
Ray Allen 5
Don Buse 5
Brandon Roy 5
Andre Roberson 5
Michael Cooper 5
Brent Barry 4
TR Dunn 4
Hersey Hawkins 4
Clyde Drexler 4
Mario Elie 4
Jeff Hornacek 3
Paul Pressey 3
Jerry West 3
Charlie Ward 3
Victor Oladipo 3
James Harden 3
Rick Barry 2
Eric Gordon 2
Danny Ainge 2
Dennis Johnson 2
Michael Redd 2
Joe Dumars 2
Dale Ellis 2
Khris Middleton 2
Steve Smith 2
Leandro Barbosa 2
Alvin Robertson 2
Lou Williams 1
Courtney Lee 1
Sam Jones 1
CJ McCollum 1
Demar DeRozan 1
Brandon Rush 1
Avery Bradley 1
Jordan Clarkson 1
Sidney Moncrief 1
JJ Redick 1
Don Cheney 1
Fred Hoiberg 1
Wesley Matthews 1
George McCloud 1
Vinnie Johnson 1
Gerald Henderson 1
Anthony Parker 1

SF

Kevin Durant 17
Paul George 16
Kawhi Leonard 15
LeBron James 14
Shane Battier 13
Grant Hill 12
Bruce Bowen 9
James Posey 8
Robert Horry 8
Kyle Korver 8
Jared Dudley 8
Tracy McGrady 8
Paul Pierce 7
Joe Ingles 7
Julius Erving 7
Larry Bird 6
Tayshaun Prince 5
Scottie Pippen 5
Chris Mullin 5
Toni Kukoc 4
Giannis Antetokounmpo 4
Mitch Richmond 4
Nic Batum 3
Kyle Anderson 3
Gordon Hayward 3
John Havlicek 3
Carmelo Anthony 3
Dan Majerle 3
Gerald Wallace 2
Tobias Harris 2
Otto Porter 2
Vince Carter 2
Bernard King 2
Adrian Dantley 2
Luke Walton 1
Dahntay Jones 1
Glen Rice 1
DeMarre Carroll 1
Latrell Sprewell 1
Jud Buechler 1
Wilson Chandler 1
Don Nelson 1
James Johnson 1
Harrison Barnes 1
Dave Debusschere 1
Richard Jefferson 1
Jayson Tatum 1
Robert Covington 1
Mike Miller 1
Jae Crowder 1
James Jones 1
Ron Artest 1
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson 1

PF

Kevin Garnett 16
Draymond Green 13
Shawn Kemp 9
Elton Brand 9
Bobby Jones 8
Dirk Nowitzki 8
Rasheed Wallace 8
Charles Barkley 7
Andrei Kirilenko 7
Tim Duncan 7
Boris Diaw 6
Pau Gasol 6
Karl Malone 6
Dennis Rodman 6
Detlef Schrempf 6
Anthony Mason 6
Anthony Davis 5
Serge Ibaka 5
Horace Grant 5
Lamar Odom 5
Kevin McHale 4
Chris Bosh 4
Kurt Rambis 4
Al Horford 4
PJ Tucker 4
Charles Oakley 4
Shawn Marion 4
Luc Mbah a Moute 3
Paul Millsap 3
David West 3
Ed Davis 3
Rashard Lewis 3
Bo Outlaw 3
Rick Mahorn 3
Amir Johnson 2
Dale Davis 2
Chris Webber 2
PJ Brown 2
Nikola Mirotic 2
Channing Frye 2
Carlos Boozer 2
LaMarcus Aldridge 2
Larry Nance 2
Patrick Patterson 1
Truck Robinson 1
Cliff Robinson 1
Antonio McDyess 1
Pascal Siakam 1
Derrick Coleman 1
John Salley 1
Domantas Sabonis 1
Clifford Rozier 1
Marques Johnson 1
Jerami Grant 1

C

Patrick Ewing 15
David Robinson 12
Dikembe Mutombo 9
Alonzo Mourning 8
Dwight Howard 8
George Johnson 7
Ben Wallace 6
Shaquille O'Neal 6
Wilt Chamberlain 6
Marc Gasol 5
Tyson Chandler 5
Omer Asik 5
Hakeem Olajuwon 5
Manute Bol 5
Kareem Abdul-Jabaar 5
Bill Walton 4
Yao Ming 4
Moses Malone 4
Charles Jones 4
Steven Adams 4
Cole Aldrich 4
Mark Eaton 4
DeAndre Jordan 4
Rudy Gobert 4
Artis Gilmore 4
Theo Ratliff 4
Nikola Jokic 3
Michael Cage 3
Dewayne Dedmon 3
Wes Unseld 3
Ervin Johnson 3
DeSagana Diop 3
Arvydas Sabonis 3
Tristan Thompson 3
Marcus Camby 3
Andre Drummond 2
Bill Russell 2
Andrew Bogut 2
Caldwell Jones 2
Rodney McCray 2
Michael Ruffin 2
Ryan Hollins 2
Clint Capela 2
Marcin Gortat 2
Joel Embiid 2
Brook Lopez 2
Kendrick Perkins 2
Kwame Brown 2
Bismack Biyombo 1
Lucas Nogueira 1
DeMarcus Cousins 1
Marvin Webster 1
Amare Stoudemire 1
Greg Anderson 1
Tree Rollins 1
Antonio Davis 1
Mark Madsen 1
Bill Laimbeer 1
Hassan Whiteside 1
Nate Thurmond 1
Shawn Bradley 1
Karl-Anthony Towns 1
Jack Sikma 1
Brad Daugherty 1
Erik Dampier 1
Elvin Hayes 1
Vlade Divac 1
Hasheem Thabeet 1
Roy Hibbert 1
Jason Collins 1
Zydrunas Ilgauskas 1
Jermaine O'Neal 1
Al Jefferson 1
Joakim Noah 1

[Tony Snell]

A while back jan suggested a game for players who haven't won a title here. I also think that would be a good pool for a non-draft game in which we all make our teams independently. Tony has done the leg work.

Thoughts?

Inspired by CSF's post last week, I went through and tallied how many times each player has won a game. I'll post a google doc tonight because it is easier to read than in forum. Overall, 301 different players have played for a championship winning team. 91 players have won 5 or more games. Only 18 players have won double-digit number of games. We play a ton of 90s to now games, so I think that the results are skewed towards players from that era. Looking at the top of the leaderboard, at first glance it appears that 3/D players reign supreme. Carmelo Anthony has as many wins as James Harden.

Below you can find how many times each player has won a game by position.

I would play. I like the idea of a non draft game, as if this was a draft, we would have to go really deep to find available guys. What kind of era restriction (if any) would you want to do?

[Laimbeer]

A while back jan suggested a game for players who haven't won a title here. I also think that would be a good pool for a non-draft game in which we all make our teams independently. Tony has done the leg work.

Thoughts?

Inspired by CSF's post last week, I went through and tallied how many times each player has won a game. I'll post a google doc tonight because it is easier to read than in forum. Overall, 301 different players have played for a championship winning team. 91 players have won 5 or more games. Only 18 players have won double-digit number of games. We play a ton of 90s to now games, so I think that the results are skewed towards players from that era. Looking at the top of the leaderboard, at first glance it appears that 3/D players reign supreme. Carmelo Anthony has as many wins as James Harden.

Below you can find how many times each player has won a game by position.

I would play. I like the idea of a non draft game, as if this was a draft, we would have to go really deep to find available guys. What kind of era restriction (if any) would you want to do?

I'm really hoping we end up using different players if we do a non-draft game. A non-draft would be a good one to occupy people while the current game winds down into fewer players. I don't have any big era preference except the 70s always feel like a stretch to me and I really dislike using the sixties.

Maybe 90s and forward since this list is tilted toward that time period?

[Fadeaway_J]

Honestly, combing through that list to find the few good players that haven't won a title seems like a headache. Especially when it gets to the defenders/role players.

[Tony Snell]

A while back jan suggested a game for players who haven't won a title here. I also think that would be a good pool for a non-draft game in which we all make our teams independently. Tony has done the leg work.

Thoughts?

I would play. I like the idea of a non draft game, as if this was a draft, we would have to go really deep to find available guys. What kind of era restriction (if any) would you want to do?

I'm really hoping we end up using different players if we do a non-draft game. A non-draft would be a good one to occupy people while the current game winds down into fewer players. I don't have any big era preference except the 70s always feel like a stretch to me and I really dislike using the sixties.

Maybe 90s and forward since this list is tilted toward that time period?

I agree that 60s/70s makes judging more difficult. I may consider including the 80s, as it will widen the talent pool, and hopefully will allow for teams to look a bit different than one another.

[Tony Snell]

I would play. I like the idea of a non draft game, as if this was a draft, we would have to go really deep to find available guys. What kind of era restriction (if any) would you want to do?

I'm really hoping we end up using different players if we do a non-draft game. A non-draft would be a good one to occupy people while the current game winds down into fewer players. I don't have any big era preference except the 70s always feel like a stretch to me and I really dislike using the sixties.

Maybe 90s and forward since this list is tilted toward that time period?

I agree that 60s/70s makes judging more difficult. I may consider including the 80s, as it will widen the talent pool, and hopefully will allow for teams to look a bit different than one another.

Another option would be to do a game where anyone with less than 5 (could be any number) wins is eligible for selection and do a draft with that pool. This would allow at least some of the research to be done for you whereas a no win only game is 100% research.

[Dr Positivity]

I'd be down for a non draft game with players who haven't won

[Dr Positivity]

I think it could work with players who won 3 times or less. I wouldn't mind some players like Harden and Amare being eligible

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

Meh, I’m out of ideas at the moment. I personally want to do something with “steal” concept and prefer a wider pool. I don’t mind running something too if I like it.

Tough to think of something with over 150 games played already. There’s gotta be something out there haha.

[Laimbeer]

I'm really hoping we end up using different players if we do a non-draft game. A non-draft would be a good one to occupy people while the current game winds down into fewer players. I don't have any big era preference except the 70s always feel like a stretch to me and I really dislike using the sixties.

Maybe 90s and forward since this list is tilted toward that time period?

I agree that 60s/70s makes judging more difficult. I may consider including the 80s, as it will widen the talent pool, and hopefully will allow for teams to look a bit different than one another.

Another option would be to do a game where anyone with less than 5 (could be any number) wins is eligible for selection and do a draft with that pool. This would allow at least some of the research to be done for you whereas a no win only game is 100% research.

Since you did the leg work go ahead and make the call. I'm good with draft or non-draft as well as allowing a certain number of titles, though I'd want to keep it no more than three.

[Laimbeer]

I liked the games with the accolade restrictions that limited how much star power you could load up. How about a limit for ASG appearances? Say you can only have 30 total on your roster, so if you pick LeBron you've only got 15 remaining. Maybe set a minimum of 10 seasons for current players to prevent younger stars like Giannis and AD from being overpowered.

It wouldn't be a perfect measure of player quality, but it would force you to actually build around stars as opposed to just piling up as many of them as you can.

I like this too, but why not make a minimum of ten seasons for everyone? Someone like Walton would be too cheap. Or maybe he's an anomaly - haven't really looked.

[Fadeaway_J]

I liked the games with the accolade restrictions that limited how much star power you could load up. How about a limit for ASG appearances? Say you can only have 30 total on your roster, so if you pick LeBron you've only got 15 remaining. Maybe set a minimum of 10 seasons for current players to prevent younger stars like Giannis and AD from being overpowered.

It wouldn't be a perfect measure of player quality, but it would force you to actually build around stars as opposed to just piling up as many of them as you can.

I like this too, but why not make a minimum of ten seasons for everyone? Someone like Walton would be too cheap. Or maybe he's an anomaly - haven't really looked.

Walton does have 10 seasons so the minimum wouldn't affect him. I was actually thinking about an 80s to now time frame anyway. There would still be some anomalies there - mainly guys who had their primes curtailed by injury - but nothing near the level of peak Walton.

My real concern is deciding on the limit. I initially had 25 in mind, but that seems to harshly punish guys like Kareem (19) and Kobe (18). On the other hand, is 30 restrictive enough?

[Tony Snell]

I agree that 60s/70s makes judging more difficult. I may consider including the 80s, as it will widen the talent pool, and hopefully will allow for teams to look a bit different than one another.

Another option would be to do a game where anyone with less than 5 (could be any number) wins is eligible for selection and do a draft with that pool. This would allow at least some of the research to be done for you whereas a no win only game is 100% research.

Since you did the leg work go ahead and make the call. I'm good with draft or non-draft as well as allowing a certain number of titles, though I'd want to keep it no more than three.

Let's play the up to 3 wins player pool game.

[Laimbeer]

Another option would be to do a game where anyone with less than 5 (could be any number) wins is eligible for selection and do a draft with that pool. This would allow at least some of the research to be done for you whereas a no win only game is 100% research.

Since you did the leg work go ahead and make the call. I'm good with draft or non-draft as well as allowing a certain number of titles, though I'd want to keep it no more than three.

Let's play the up to 3 wins player pool game.

Draft or non-draft? Era? You want to do it, I can, or anyone.