GMAT Winter Edition: Discussion

[BdeRegt]

Salary cap for season 17/18 100mil??? Makes it easier to determine max contracts, easier than 1ü2 mil cuz 25 percent means 25mil.

Mle 6 mil, mini mle 3mil, room mle 2.5mil.

Cool or better ideas?

What about 110M for cap if want a round number? I think cap will actually come in closer to 110 then 100 next year. Higher cap also means less people going for minimum and more fun Free Agency I think. I'd stick with same exception amounts.

[immortalone23]

Salary cap for season 17/18 100mil??? Makes it easier to determine max contracts, easier than 1ü2 mil cuz 25 percent means 25mil.

Mle 6 mil, mini mle 3mil, room mle 2.5mil.

Cool or better ideas?

I'm down!

[Dan Verze]

Salary cap for season 17/18 100mil??? Makes it easier to determine max contracts, easier than 1ü2 mil cuz 25 percent means 25mil.

Mle 6 mil, mini mle 3mil, room mle 2.5mil.

Cool or better ideas?

What about 110M for cap if want a round number? I think cap will actually come in closer to 110 then 100 next year. Higher cap also means less people going for minimum and more fun Free Agency I think. I'd stick with same exception amounts.

True but remember we have two extra teams in 17/18. They will take on salary via expansion probably or will have a ton...


How do others feel about that?

100mil or 110? I think both options are great.

[damecurry]

Salary cap for season 17/18 100mil??? Makes it easier to determine max contracts, easier than 1ü2 mil cuz 25 percent means 25mil.

Mle 6 mil, mini mle 3mil, room mle 2.5mil.

Cool or better ideas?

What about 110M for cap if want a round number? I think cap will actually come in closer to 110 then 100 next year. Higher cap also means less people going for minimum and more fun Free Agency I think. I'd stick with same exception amounts.

True but remember we have two extra teams in 17/18. They will take on salary via expansion probably or will have a ton...


How do others feel about that?

100mil or 110? I think both options are great.

100, math is simpler and exp teams will soak up some salary.

[Zion Wembanyama]

Salary cap for season 17/18 100mil??? Makes it easier to determine max contracts, easier than 1ü2 mil cuz 25 percent means 25mil.

Mle 6 mil, mini mle 3mil, room mle 2.5mil.

Cool or better ideas?

I like the 17/18 cap at 100 mil. Whole numbers makes everything simpler. How about room mle just being 2 mil?.. sticking with the whole numbers and it's something to offer those fa's who won't sign for less than 2 mil.

[Tony Snell]

What about 110M for cap if want a round number? I think cap will actually come in closer to 110 then 100 next year. Higher cap also means less people going for minimum and more fun Free Agency I think. I'd stick with same exception amounts.

True but remember we have two extra teams in 17/18. They will take on salary via expansion probably or will have a ton...


How do others feel about that?

100mil or 110? I think both options are great.

100, math is simpler and exp teams will soak up some salary.

I agree with $100. I like easy math.

[MadNESS]

Let's just start this dang thang already!

[Dan Verze]

I think we will make it very easy.

100mil salary cap.

Mle: 6mil 6mil 6mil 6mil (po)

Mini-mle: 3mil 3mil (po)

Room-mle: 2mil 2mil (po)

Vet min: 1mil (only one year allowed)

2nd rnd picks signed: 1mil (only one year allowed)

[damecurry]

I think we will make it very easy.

100mil salary cap.

Mle: 6mil 6mil 6mil 6mil (po)

Mini-mle: 3mil 3mil (po)

Room-mle: 2mil 2mil (po)

Vet min: 1mil (only one year allowed)

2nd rnd picks signed: 1mil (only one year allowed)

What about cash/amensty/buyout options? I like having a little cash in these games, makes things a little more interesting.

[damecurry]

Let's just start this dang thang already!

[BdeRegt]

I think we will make it very easy.

100mil salary cap.

Mle: 6mil 6mil 6mil 6mil (po)

Mini-mle: 3mil 3mil (po)

Room-mle: 2mil 2mil (po)

Vet min: 1mil (only one year allowed)

2nd rnd picks signed: 1mil (only one year allowed)

What about cash/amensty/buyout options? I like having a little cash in these games, makes things a little more interesting.

I feel like the cash/buyouts often get overused where it isn't realistic at all in these games. Players aren't going to agree to a lot of buyouts that I have seen go through. I would vote that cash trading is real NBA rule so you are limited on how much you can send out/receive combined with buyouts hard to get approved. It really should only be veterans on last year of contract who get bought out for the most part. If it is going to be too easy to get a buyout, I would vote just not have them involved in this game. Bad contracts are a part of the game.

I definitely vote no Amnesty.

[Zion Wembanyama]

I think we will make it very easy.

100mil salary cap.

Mle: 6mil 6mil 6mil 6mil (po)

Mini-mle: 3mil 3mil (po)

Room-mle: 2mil 2mil (po)

Vet min: 1mil (only one year allowed)

2nd rnd picks signed: 1mil (only one year allowed)

What about cash/amensty/buyout options? I like having a little cash in these games, makes things a little more interesting.

I feel like the cash/buyouts often get overused where it isn't realistic at all in these games. Players aren't going to agree to a lot of buyouts that I have seen go through. I would vote that cash trading is real NBA rule so you are limited on how much you can send out/receive combined with buyouts hard to get approved. It really should only be veterans on last year of contract who get bought out for the most part. If it is going to be too easy to get a buyout, I would vote just not have them involved in this game. Bad contracts are a part of the game.

I definitely vote no Amnesty.

Agreed.

[Dan Verze]

I think we will make it very easy.

100mil salary cap.

Mle: 6mil 6mil 6mil 6mil (po)

Mini-mle: 3mil 3mil (po)

Room-mle: 2mil 2mil (po)

Vet min: 1mil (only one year allowed)

2nd rnd picks signed: 1mil (only one year allowed)

What about cash/amensty/buyout options? I like having a little cash in these games, makes things a little more interesting.

I feel like the cash/buyouts often get overused where it isn't realistic at all in these games. Players aren't going to agree to a lot of buyouts that I have seen go through. I would vote that cash trading is real NBA rule so you are limited on how much you can send out/receive combined with buyouts hard to get approved. It really should only be veterans on last year of contract who get bought out for the most part. If it is going to be too easy to get a buyout, I would vote just not have them involved in this game. Bad contracts are a part of the game.

I definitely vote no Amnesty.

I would prefer to play without cash, amnesty, and buyouts. No tricks, show your gm skills and keep it very simple.

Thats why we play with real draft pick rules. I want to increase the value of picks, and I also want to increase the value of expiring contracts by offering the negotiation process during Free agency.

I will post free agency and expansion thread shortly for more explanations.

I will also announce player decisions for free agency at the beginning in order to help determine value players.

All that stuff should make it easier for new participants.

[Dan Verze]

Let's just start this dang thang already!

+1

We dont have enough participants, even if I take into account the guys that are willing to double.

I know that 30-32 participants are unrealisitic but lets shoot for 21/22 which should be enough. Really hope that more people sign up til Saturday. Then we will start. Tomorrow would be better though cuz I know that people lose interest quickly.

[Dan Verze]

Can a mod please sticky the roster template thread.

We could even use it for the next game.

[BdeRegt]

I think if we get 1 more or 1 more person willing double I think we have enough to cover all 30 teams. We could worry about expansion later on if people want to join.

[Dan Verze]

I think if we get 1 more or 1 more person willing double I think we have enough to cover all 30 teams. We could worry about expansion later on if people want to join.

I think it wont happen that people join mid-game. Its more realistic that people will quit and then we need more people willing to double.

[Dan Verze]

how do you guys like that:


SCHEDULE:

7th Jan: Team Assignments, Roster Thread will be up (copy and paste the roster templates (see thread) for your team and post it in the Roster Thread)
8th Jan: Trading starts (You need to stay at 12-15 players, you can waive players in the trading thread when you make a trade (I will add the players into the 2017 fa pool), there won't be a waiver thread nor fa thread for season 16/17)
12th Jan: Trading stops, commish does the ranking and draft order / Playoffs start (you guys can change rosters to season 17/18 cause your depth chart will be in the playoffs thread + can send the protection list for the expansion)
13th Jan: Rosters changed to 17/18 PLUS deadline for protection list
14th Jan: Expansion draft
15th Jan: Nba draft / Trading starts again
16th Jan: Free Agency begins!
20th Jan: Free Agency ran by DV ends, gms can bid on the players that are still FAs
21th Jan: Trading ends / NBA playoffs start / (no write-ups needed I think)
22th Jan: Ranking Thread with poll system will be opened (please explain your choices)

[Dan Verze]

how do you guys like the ideas for Free Agency, other opinions?


here is what I will be posted (yes I want the player decisions to be determined at the beginning (cool?) and a lot of the players take the PO cuz it makes it easier and I also think its realistic cuz the cap will jump in 18)


FREE AGENCY 2017

This Thread will be open on January 14. Please state if you waive the cap hold of players and if you exercise Team Options and offer the QO!!!

Player Offer Due Dates:

No Tiers, You can send offers to whoever you wish. January 16-20 is what the schedule says, players will sign at various points throughout those four days like in real life. Any player who has not signed in those four days will go to bidding. THIS INCLUDES RFA's - highest offer after 4 hours "claims" the player, then the former team has 4 hours to match. I hate when 9/10th's of RFAs accept the QO, we are not doing that, with all the money around the league to spend.

Before you start reading the rules below, there are a few things I want to make very clear of…

1.) A players QO is NOT their cap hold. You can find all the necessary information about capholds for your Free Agents on basketballinsiders.com

2.) This is going to be an "OPEN" free agency, which is cool! I WILL be keeping you updated on your free agents or let you know how they feel about their offer. You should still come in with your best offer from the get-go and also check what the Free Agents demand.

3.) Before you make an offer, read over all of this very carefully and make yourself familiar with the process/CBA rules. Any illegal contracts WILL be vetoed. It is your job to make sure you are offering a legal contract. If you make a deal, that keeps you from affording a deal that you offered, you MUST inform me and retract your offer. Your roster must be updated with correct salaries and cap space, including cap holds as well as any and all cap space you have. NO EXCEPTIONS.


FREE AGENCY RULES:
- You cannot trade any player you sign to a max contract, unless he is your own max FA that you re-signed.
- All other FA's can be traded, no restrictions.
- If you sign players with cap space, you revoke the right to use the MLE or any other exception sans the Room Mid-Level Exception.
- All emails received before the start of FA will be deleted.
- RFA's are and always have been 24 hours to match. If not matched within that time frame - the new team signing the player wins that player.

CAP INFO:

Salary Cap: $100 Million
Luxury Tax: $120 Million
Hard Cap: $140 Million

Maximum Salaries:

With the new CBA, the maximum salaries are defined by a certain percentage of the cap, and breaks down as:

0-6 yrs in NBA: About 25% of Cap or $25,000,000.
7-9 yrs in NBA: About 30% of Cap or $30,000,000.
10+ yrs in NBA: About 35% of Cap or $35,000,000.

You can check the Free Agent List below, and you will find information about the years the Free Agents have spent in the NBA and you find information about their FA Status (Bird or Non-Bird), which is important, if you make an offer.
All players that have the status BIRD can accept contracts from the team that has the players cap hold listed with 7.5 % raises. Other teams can only offer 4.5 % raises.
All players that have the status NON-BIRD can only accept contracts with 4.5 %. See „Raises“ below.
Raises:
Players signed using Bird Rights are allowed a maximum of 7.50% yearly raises from the 1st year salary and a maximum of five years. Players signed not using Bird Rights are allowed a maximum of 4.50% yearly raises and only a maximum of four years. We wont use raises for Free Agents signed via exceptions though in order to make it easy. We use them for other Free Agents because they are important for max deals and so on and so on.

EXAMPLES:
Name / Position / NBA Years / FA Status / What he wants
Nerlens Noel, C, 4, Bird – (near) MAX deal

Nerlens Noel is your Free Agent. He is 4 years in the league (= 0-6 years), so you can offer a MAX contract starting at $25,000,000 (25% of the cap) and you can use 7,50% raises from the 1st year salary = $1,875,000) You can offer the following max contract:

Year 1: $25,000,000
Year 2: $26,875,000
Year 3: $28,750,000
Year 4: $30,625,000
Year 5: $32,500,000 (PO)
= $116,875,000

Nerlens Noel is not your Free Agent, so you can offer a MAX contract with 4.5% raises from the 1st year salary (= $1,125,000). You can offer the following max contract with only 4 years (if he takes it, the other team can still match the contract (of course, Noel and other Free Agents prefer the deals with 5 years, so you rather trade for their rights or overpay (possible in this example, you need the MAX here though):

Year 1: $25,000,000
Year 2: $26,125,000
Year 3: $27,250,000
Year 4: $28,375,000 (PO)
= $84,250,000

Name / Position / NBA Years / FA Status / What he wants

Chris Paul, PG, 12, Bird (OPTS OUT), MAX Deal

CP3 is your Free Agent. He is 12 years in the league (= 10+ years), so you can offer a MAX contract starting at $35,000,000 (35% of the cap) and you can use 7,50% raises from the 1st year salary = $2,625,000) You can offer the following max contract:

Year 1: $35,000,000
Year 2: $37,625,000
Year 3: $40,250,000
Year 4: $42,875,000
Year 5: $45,500,000 (PO)
= $201,250,000

CP3 is not your Free Agent, so you can offer a MAX contract with 4.5% raises from the 1st year salary (= $1,575,000). You can offer the following max contract with only 4 years:

Year 1: $35,000,000
Year 2: $36,575,000
Year 3: $38,150,000
Year 4: $39,725,000 (PO)
= $149,450,000

Name / Position / NBA Years / FA Status / What he wants

Danilo Gallinari, SF, 9, Bird (OPTS OUT), MAX Deal

Gallo is your Free Agent. He is 9 years in the league (= 7-9 years), so you can offer a MAX contract starting at $30,000,000 (30% of the cap) and you can use 7,50% raises from the 1st year salary = $2,250,000) You can offer the following max contract:

Year 1: $30,000,000
Year 2: $32,250,000
Year 3: $34,500,000
Year 4: $36,750,000
Year 5: $39,000,000 (PO)
= $172,500,000

Gallo is not your Free Agent, so you can offer a MAX contract with 4.5% raises from the 1st year salary (= $1,350,000). You can offer the following max contract with only 4 years

Year 1: $30,000,000
Year 2: $31,350,000
Year 3: $32,750,000
Year 4: $34,050,000 (PO)
= $128,150,000


Exceptions:

If you have no capspace, you can still sign Free Agents via Exceptions (your own [if their FA status is Non-Bird], or from other teams) with no raises

- Non-Taxpayer MLE:

Year 1: $6,000,000
Year 2: $6,000,000
Year 3: $6,000,000
Year 4: $6,000,000 (PO)
= $24,000,000

- Taxpayer MLE:

Year 1: $3,000,000
Year 2: $3,000,000 (PO)
= $6,000,000

- Room MLE:

Year 1: $2,000,000
Year 2: $2,000,000 (PO)
= $4,000,000

In order to make it easy, you are only allowed to offer these contracts if you use the exceptions.


Cap Holds:

- Minimum Cap Hold: $500,000
- League Minimum contract: $1,000,000
- First-round pick coming off rookie contract: 250% of previous salary if prior salary was below league average; 200% of previous salary if prior salary was above league average.
- Bird Rights Player: 190% of previous salary (if below average) or 150% (if above average).
- Early Bird Rights Player: 130% of previous salary
- Non-Bird Rights Player: 120% of previous salary
Cap Holds can be easily found


Requirements for Free Agency Offers:

1. Your roster page must be 100% updated and reflect 2017/18 salaries and cap holds. Remember you must account for a 12 man roster using min cap holds to fill it out, first round draft picks have cap holds that must be accounted for. If you have kept Bird's Rights on a free agent you must have that accounted for. IF YOUR PAGE IS NOT UPDATED AND CORRECT YOU WILL NOT SIGN ANY FREE AGENTS PERIOD!

2. You must include both the name of your team and the player you are offering in the subject line. It helps me to keep track of all the offers.

3. You may send me your offer in any format you like. None of the usual rules apply. However, it is your job to sell that free agent to play for you.

4. When you make an offer you are agreeing to not make one public complaint or send one nasty email about not getting a player or players you want. Just like in real life there will be a lot of interest in the top free agents and only one team may sign them. You are also agreeing to not quit the game over failing to sign players in free agency. When you choose to tear a team down to build through free agency there is risk you won't get a big fish. This happened to the team I root for in real-life 3 straight summers and they had a superstar, a great coach, and great owner to recruit. DO NOT BE THAT GUY.


FREE AGENT LIST:

Players that exercise their Player Option (opt in):

Matt Barnes
Aron Baynes
Dante Cunningham
Dewayne Dedmon
Pau Gasol
Rudy Gay
Spencer Hawes
David Lee
Luc Mbah a Moute
Josh McRoberts
CJ Miles
Greg Monroe
Willie Reed
Marreese Speights
Rodney Stuckey
Dwyane Wade
Dion Waiters
Nick Young
-----------------------------------

Free Agents List:

Restricted:

Name / Position / NBA Years / FA Status / What he wants

Ron Baker, G, 1,Non-Bird, a min deal

…… and so on (in alphabetic order)

Unrestricted:

Name / Position / NBA Years / FA Status / What he wants

Lavoy Allen, PF/C, 6, Bird (TO), > 3mil per year

…. and so on (in alphabetic order)

[damecurry]

I think if we get 1 more or 1 more person willing double I think we have enough to cover all 30 teams. We could worry about expansion later on if people want to join.

I think it wont happen that people join mid-game. Its more realistic that people will quit and then we need more people willing to double.

Historically I have to disagree with this, it's actually fairly frequent from my memory that we get people interested in jumping in mid-stream, of course we almost always lose a few folks along the way as well so....

It's ideal to wait for the right number of participants and I'm not worried about Ness's belly aching cause we all know he'll play anyway. BUT I am worried about some of the guys who signed up a week ago and haven't been complaining cause they haven't been posting... those are the guys who might just drift away if we wait too long. It's a difficult and annoying tight rope to walk, I wish we just had 5 to 10 more reliable guys who consistently played these, cause we have about 15 or so posters who show up every time but that's just not enough for a game and then we spend two weeks scrounging for enough to fill it out. Kinda sucks but that's life.