Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion

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Re: Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion 

Post#81 » by durantbird » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:45 pm

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durantbird wrote:Philly probably wasn't the ideal partner for Denver to complete a Jokic build. My initial thought for roddy's pair was that I might have passed on Jokic and try something around Murray-Butler-Melo-Wilt. This can also be the basis for a Jokic team, though Wilt could've covered better for Melo's (or English's) defensive issues.

Philly is tough in general for this exercise. Basically all their elite players are concentrated in Category 1, and their role player pool isn't amazing because most of their success came in the 80s and earlier.

Yeah. Some teams were categorized in a higher tier because of their category 1 players, but basically if you choose to skip those guys for a better category 1 from the other franchise, they become a liability.
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Re: Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion 

Post#82 » by Laimbeer » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:54 pm

durantbird wrote:Torn between two builds:

Magic / Byron Scott
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LeBron / Prince
Davis / Prince
Rasheed / Mahorn


Pretty clearly the second for me. I'd take Laker LeBron over peak Magic but that's an interesting debate.
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Re: Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion 

Post#83 » by durantbird » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:55 pm

durantbird wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:


Kyle Korver isn't category 4

Same for Kirilenko
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Re: Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion 

Post#84 » by Laimbeer » Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:38 pm

Could we do this using DB's tiers, but we privately select our two teams? If a team like the Celtics is too obviously the best, we could take them off the board. Rankings could be used since we'd probably have duplicates.
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Post#85 » by Laimbeer » Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:38 pm

Could we do this using DB's tiers, but we privately select our two teams? If a team like the Celtics is too obviously the best, we could take them off the board. Rankings could be used since we'd have a lot of duplicates.
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Post#86 » by durantbird » Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:54 pm

Laimbeer wrote:Could we do this using DB's tiers, but we privately select our two teams? If a team like the Celtics is too obviously the best, we could take them off the board. Rankings could be used since we'd have a lot of duplicates.

I'm not sure I understand the idea. I'm not certain Celtics is obviously best.
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Post#87 » by durantbird » Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:58 pm

Some suggested this idea should be a draft with everyone choosing the team. We pretty much finished this game in a day, we can try the draft idea as well.
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Re: Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion 

Post#88 » by Larry_Russell » Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:04 pm

durantbird wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:


Kyle Korver isn't category 4



shoot, missed he was an allstar
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Post#89 » by durantbird » Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:05 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
durantbird wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:


Kyle Korver isn't category 4



shoot, missed he was an allstar

Kirilenko as well
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Post#90 » by Snakebites » Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:07 pm

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Snakebites wrote:Hmm.

Interesting dilemma here.

What was the dilemma? Whether to pair LBJ and Luka? Which version of Kyrie to use?

Yeah both of those.
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Post#91 » by durantbird » Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:12 pm

JimmyPlopper wrote:That was a fun exercise

I understand you completed your team? You haven't posted it. Notice the deadline is in less than 2 hours
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Re: Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion 

Post#92 » by Larry_Russell » Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:37 pm

I do not remember AK47 or Korver being Allstars. To my surprise....they both were.
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Re: Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion 

Post#93 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:41 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:I do not remember AK47 or Korver being Allstars. To my surprise....they both were.

Korver was a weird one where they rewarded the Hawks for being a surprise 60-win team (Jeff Teague also made it). I believe he was an injury replacement as well.

AK-47 should have made one or two more if anything.
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Re: Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion 

Post#94 » by Larry_Russell » Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:42 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:I do not remember AK47 or Korver being Allstars. To my surprise....they both were.

Korver was a weird one where they rewarded the Hawks for being a surprise 60-win team (Jeff Teague also made it). I believe he was an injury replacement as well.

AK-47 should have made one or two more if anything.



I dont disagree, I just dont recal him ever being in one.


Regardless, I was keeping him no matter what. I liked the idea of a mourning and AK-47 front court defensive pairing. That should be viewed as a gamechanging defense.
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Re: Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion 

Post#95 » by flaco » Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:56 pm

durantbird wrote:Some suggested this idea should be a draft with everyone choosing the team. We pretty much finished this game in a day, we can try the draft idea as well.

  • 3-round draft
  • ABB order
  • 10 drafters
  • We select teams instead of players. Each drafter ends up with 3 teams.
  • Keep the 4 categories regarding career accolades otherwise certain franchises are OP.
  • We gotta use at least 2 players from each of our selected teams.
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Re: Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion 

Post#96 » by Larry_Russell » Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:00 pm

flaco wrote:
durantbird wrote:Some suggested this idea should be a draft with everyone choosing the team. We pretty much finished this game in a day, we can try the draft idea as well.

  • 3-round draft
  • ABB order
  • 10 drafters
  • We select teams instead of players. Each drafter ends up with 3 teams.
  • We gotta use at least 2 players from each of our teams.



sounds good
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Re: Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion 

Post#97 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:05 pm

flaco wrote:
durantbird wrote:Some suggested this idea should be a draft with everyone choosing the team. We pretty much finished this game in a day, we can try the draft idea as well.

  • 3-round draft
  • ABB order
  • 10 drafters
  • We select teams instead of players. Each drafter ends up with 3 teams.
  • Keep the 4 categories regarding career accolades otherwise certain franchises reign supreme.
  • We gotta use at least 2 players from each of our teams.

Could we not just do two franchises so it doesn't have to be limited to 10 drafters?

We could just open up all 30 franchises so people have more options.
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Re: Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion 

Post#98 » by flaco » Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:12 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
flaco wrote:
durantbird wrote:Some suggested this idea should be a draft with everyone choosing the team. We pretty much finished this game in a day, we can try the draft idea as well.

  • 3-round draft
  • ABB order
  • 10 drafters
  • We select teams instead of players. Each drafter ends up with 3 teams.
  • Keep the 4 categories regarding career accolades otherwise certain franchises reign supreme.
  • We gotta use at least 2 players from each of our teams.

Could we not just do two franchises so it doesn't have to be limited to 10 drafters?

We could just open up all 30 franchises so people have more options.

That works too. It's up to the commish, I guess. Unfortunately, I don't have enough spare time to run the game myself. Just throwing the idea for discussion. The commish puts time and effort to run the game, hence he decides the rules.
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Re: Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion 

Post#99 » by durantbird » Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:16 pm

I'm pro trying it as a draft. I'd consider changing the Finals MVP rule a bit - instead of including every Finals MVP guy in category 1, just include "MVP or Finals MVP who ever won All NBA First as well". I don't see a reason Billups, Parker, Pierce, Worthy, Brown, Dumars, Iggy, DJ, etc. should be considered category 1. But it keeps guys like Kawhi, Wade and West in category 1 which makes more sense.
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Re: Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion 

Post#100 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:23 pm

durantbird wrote:I'm pro trying it as a draft. I'd consider changing the Finals MVP rule a bit - instead of including every Finals MVP guy in category 1, just include "MVP or Finals MVP who ever won All NBA First as well". I don't see a reason Billups, Parker, Pierce, Worthy, Brown, Dumars, Iggy, DJ, etc. should be considered category 1. But it keeps guys like Kawhi, Wade and West in category 1 which makes more sense.

Agree with that adjustment.

When you say trying it as a draft, do you mean a full draft or just drafting the teams?

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