Who's up for an all-time draft?

[Finger Roll]

Ok then. Well, sounds like this thing is going to get underway ASAP. First, though, I'd like to specify the rules.

There will be 14 teams. Each team will draft 12 NBA players, past or present. At the end of this draft, each participant will rank every team but their own. Outsiders may also rank teams. From there, the top 8 teams will enter into a head-to-head 3 round tournament, until the champion is crowned.

Trading is allowed during and after the draft, but the total number of picks/players outgoing must equal the total number of picks/players incoming. I must also approve all trades.

Players should be viewed on their merits during any 3 CONSECUTIVE NBA SEASONS, as chosen during or after the draft by their owner (if a player is traded, the new owner may choose different seasons). Injuries are a factor (but, of course, only those that occurred during the 3 seasons chosen). Keep in mind both the regular season and the playoffs. For example, championships a player wins during your selected seasons should be considered, but any championships he won in other years should not be considered.

The draft will be ordered as followed:

Round 1: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14
Round 2: 14-13-12-11-10-9-8-8-9-10-11-12-13-14
Round 3: 7-6-5-4-3-2-1-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Round 4: 14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Round 5: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14
Round 6: 14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Round 7: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14
Round 8: 14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Round 9: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14
Round 10: 14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Round 11: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14
Round 12: 14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

Deadlines for picks will be spaced 4 hours apart. Failure to make a selection by the deadline allows the next person to make their pick ahead of you, if they happen to post before you. You may still pick, though, at any time. ALL DEADLINE TIMES WILL BE POSTED IN EASTERN TIME.

As for the coaches, they should not be factored into the rating process (since the coaches have been chosen in a very informal manner).

Sound good?

[BlackIce]

Lets start. Finger get the draft tree up that way we all know where we drafting and can start to gameplan. BTW I can be your right hand man, helper, whatever if you would like.

[Finger Roll]

One last thing. FOR THE FIRST ROUND ONLY, if you miss your deadline and still have not picked within another 4 hours (IOW, if you fail to pick by the deadline of the person behind you), a replacement owner will be sought.

[Snakebites]

I'm cool with whatever order. Your order is as close to fair as it gets.

I think the best drafters will still win regardless of any slight advantage.

Yeah, coaches shouldn't be factored in. Some people don't even have one.

Go ahead and put the list of names in the randomizer and lets get this show on the road!

I can use my PM function to notify people who lag on their picks.

[calderon13]

Ok then. Well, sounds like this thing is going to get underway ASAP. First, though, I'd like to specify the rules.

There will be 14 teams. Each team will draft 12 NBA players, past or present. At the end of this draft, each participant will rank every team but their own. Outsiders may also rank teams. From there, the top 8 teams will enter into a head-to-head 3 round tournament, until the champion is crowned.

Trading is allowed during and after the draft, but the total number of picks/players outgoing must equal the total number of picks/players incoming. I must also approve all trades.

Players should be viewed on their merits during any 3 CONSECUTIVE NBA SEASONS, as chosen during or after the draft by their owner (if a player is traded, the new owner may choose different seasons). Injuries are a factor (but, of course, only those that occurred during the 3 seasons chosen).

The draft will be ordered as followed:

Round 1: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14
Round 2: 14-13-12-11-10-9-8-14-13-12-11-10-9-8
Round 3: 7-6-5-4-3-2-1-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Round 4: 14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Round 5: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14
Round 6: 14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Round 7: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14
Round 8: 14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Round 9: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14
Round 10: 14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Round 11: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14
Round 12: 14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

Deadlines for picks will be spaced 4 hours apart. Failure to make a selection by the deadline allows the next person to make their pick ahead of you, if they happen to post before you. You may still pick, though, at any time. ALL DEADLINE TIMES WILL BE POSTED IN EASTERN TIME.

As for the coaches, they should not be factored into the rating process (since the coaches have been chosen in a very informal manner).

Sound good?

Sounds great to me.

[Snakebites]

If the whole idea is that 8-14 are too close together in quality, why not have the second round be

14-8, 8-14 ?

7-1, 7-1 is fine for round 3, though.

[Johnson]

Cant wait to start.

[Finger Roll]

If the whole idea is that 8-14 are too close together in quality, why not have the second round be

14-8, 8-14 ?

7-1, 7-1 is fine for round 3, though.

Ok.

[Finger Roll]

The draft order has been randomly generated as follows:

Round 1: Pistons#1-Johnson-bryant08-bringbackhoffa-CellarDoor-BlackIce-calderon13-Booz-vct33-Warspite-Finger Roll-TMACFORMVP-MJallday59-poopdamoop
Round 2: poopdamoop-MJallday59-TMACFORMVP-Finger Roll-Warspite-vct33-Booz-Booz-vct33-Warspite-Finger Roll-TMACFORMVP-MJallday59-poopdamoop
Round 3: calderon13-BlackIce-CellarDoor-bringbackhoffa-bryant08-Johnson-Pistons#1-calderon13-BlackIce-CellarDoor-bringbackhoffa-bryant08-Johnson-Pistons#1
Round 4: poopdamoop-MJallday59-TMACFORMVP-Finger Roll-Warspite-vct33-Booz-calderon13-BlackIce-CellarDoor-bringbackhoffa-bryant08-Johnson-Pistons#1
Round 5: Pistons#1-Johnson-bryant08-bringbackhoffa-CellarDoor-BlackIce-calderon13-Booz-vct33-Warspite-Finger Roll-TMACFORMVP-MJallday59-poopdamoop
Round 6: poopdamoop-MJallday59-TMACFORMVP-Finger Roll-Warspite-vct33-Booz-calderon13-BlackIce-CellarDoor-bringbackhoffa-bryant08-Johnson-Pistons#1
Round 7: Pistons#1-Johnson-bryant08-bringbackhoffa-CellarDoor-BlackIce-calderon13-Booz-vct33-Warspite-Finger Roll-TMACFORMVP-MJallday59-poopdamoop
Round 8: poopdamoop-MJallday59-TMACFORMVP-Finger Roll-Warspite-vct33-Booz-calderon13-BlackIce-CellarDoor-bringbackhoffa-bryant08-Johnson-Pistons#1
Round 9: Pistons#1-Johnson-bryant08-bringbackhoffa-CellarDoor-BlackIce-calderon13-Booz-vct33-Warspite-Finger Roll-TMACFORMVP-MJallday59-poopdamoop
Round 10: poopdamoop-MJallday59-TMACFORMVP-Finger Roll-Warspite-vct33-Booz-calderon13-BlackIce-CellarDoor-bringbackhoffa-bryant08-Johnson-Pistons#1
Round 11: Pistons#1-Johnson-bryant08-bringbackhoffa-CellarDoor-BlackIce-calderon13-Booz-vct33-Warspite-Finger Roll-TMACFORMVP-MJallday59-poopdamoop
Round 12: poopdamoop-MJallday59-TMACFORMVP-Finger Roll-Warspite-vct33-Booz-calderon13-BlackIce-CellarDoor-bringbackhoffa-bryant08-Johnson-Pistons#1

Remember, you can trade picks and/or players.

[Snakebites]

I have the number one pick?

[Finger Roll]

I have the number one pick?

Yes. I'm about to make a separate thread for round 1.

[Johnson]

I have the number one pick?

yeah and i have number two

[Snakebites]

Question about selecting years:

Do I only get credit for championships players won during the years I choose? Is winning the championship during the years I select considered along with the statistics themselves?

[Finger Roll]

Question about selecting years:

Do I only get credit for championships players won during the years I choose? Is winning the championship during the years I select considered along with the statistics themselves?

Yes.

[Snakebites]

Yes?

To all 3 questions?

[Finger Roll]

Yes?

To all 3 questions?

Yes to the first 2 questions. Championships a player wins during the years you select are automatically considered; any championships he won in other years are not considered. This also applies to playoff performances, in general. What's the third question?

[TMACFORMVP]

I agree with those that mention about coaching, it's "cool," to have the coach, but when judging comes along, it shouldn't be factored into the outcome of the series, since in the end, you'll be your own coach with your own vision and in most cases, build your team the way that seems most ideal to you.

To clarify, ABA seasons will be discounted in this All-Time right? So the likes of Mel Daniels or Willie Wise are ineligible to be drafted, correct?

Another question regarding trades. In the OP's post, it mentions trading is available, does that mean throughout the entire competition (ex: meaning I could trade my first pick and third pick for someone else's first pick and second pick without the actual selections being made)? And are there vetoes if there's a deal that's completely off base? I remember my first one of these competitions when I first joined RealGM, and trading was allowed throughout, and then one GM completely rips off a "new guy" to the competition and virtually ruins the draft because it seemed like he was just given the All-Time Championship. I liked Warspite's idea in that you can't trade one of your top 2-3 picks, or have a sort of trading week after the draft process is over. Because frankly in an All-Time, deals should be scarce with the amount of talent on the board.

Have we decided on a three year peak? And if so, will it be consecutive or non-consecutive years? Also is there a certain game limit the players must have played in those three seasons. It's a huge difference when judging the Bill Walton's or even much lesser Yao Ming's of the world. In every all-time I've participated in, Walton has always been a guy judges have unfairly judged upon, either completely underestimating his value, or completely overestimating it. I'd maybe suggest, at least 150-170 games through the three year peak? I think that would be reasonable.

And if we're going with a game peak, then what would the ruling be on the 98-99 season, since there were only 50 games that season, something like 35-40 games would be realistic if someone were to choose a peak for a player during that time frame.

I hate to keep bringing up questions, but I feel it's best to get all the technical stuff out of the way so we can really enjoy the drafting experience and not be surprised at the end, which brings me to my next question.

- What do we do about the seasons the three point line was shortened, do we take the inflated percentages and play them as they were shooting, or just make our own call on that situation. I remember in another All-Time, there was a heated debate about one poster claiming he had an elite three point shooter, and another poster claiming it was due to the three point line being shortened thus lesser percentages when the three point arc was further away.

That brings up another point, the era we'd play in would be under current rules then, correct? Thus handcheck, three second violations etc. would all come into play. That would be pretty important, considering alot of players pre 1979 (three point line) will be drafted, so spacing is always essential. I'm personally always a fan of the pre-handcheck rules, but I don't think it should make too much a difference in todays game.

Lastly, I agree with those wanting 12 rounds opposed to more. In an All-Time, benches hardly get used to the point it'd truly determine the winner, so going any more would just be pointless.

Anyways, once again sorry for the questions, but for a smoother draft process, I think it'd be cool to have some of those points addressed. Aside from that, I'm with everyone, if we can get two more people, that'd be MUCH more ideal, but I'm down with starting now if people are anxious. I'd also like to mention, I'll be very busy tomorrow, and partly Friday, so I'll be emailing my lists to fellow GM's while I'm out. After this Friday though, I'll have a month with essentially nothing to do, so I'll be on all day, and people can send in their lists to me if they have to go as well.

[TMACFORMVP]

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The draft order has been randomly generated as follows:

Round 1: Pistons#1-Johnson-bryant08-bringbackhoffa-CellarDoor-BlackIce-calderon13-Booz-vct33-Warspite-Finger Roll-TMACFORMVP-MJallday59-poopdamoop
Round 2: poopdamoop-MJallday59-TMACFORMVP-Finger Roll-Warspite-vct33-Booz-Booz-vct33-Warspite-Finger Roll-TMACFORMVP-MJallday59-poopdamoop
Round 3: calderon13-BlackIce-CellarDoor-bringbackhoffa-bryant08-Johnson-Pistons#1-calderon13-BlackIce-CellarDoor-bringbackhoffa-bryant08-Johnson-Pistons#1
Round 4: poopdamoop-MJallday59-TMACFORMVP-Finger Roll-Warspite-vct33-Booz-calderon13-BlackIce-CellarDoor-bringbackhoffa-bryant08-Johnson-Pistons#1
Round 5: Pistons#1-Johnson-bryant08-bringbackhoffa-CellarDoor-BlackIce-calderon13-Booz-vct33-Warspite-Finger Roll-TMACFORMVP-MJallday59-poopdamoop
Round 6: poopdamoop-MJallday59-TMACFORMVP-Finger Roll-Warspite-vct33-Booz-calderon13-BlackIce-CellarDoor-bringbackhoffa-bryant08-Johnson-Pistons#1
Round 7: Pistons#1-Johnson-bryant08-bringbackhoffa-CellarDoor-BlackIce-calderon13-Booz-vct33-Warspite-Finger Roll-TMACFORMVP-MJallday59-poopdamoop
Round 8: poopdamoop-MJallday59-TMACFORMVP-Finger Roll-Warspite-vct33-Booz-calderon13-BlackIce-CellarDoor-bringbackhoffa-bryant08-Johnson-Pistons#1
Round 9: Pistons#1-Johnson-bryant08-bringbackhoffa-CellarDoor-BlackIce-calderon13-Booz-vct33-Warspite-Finger Roll-TMACFORMVP-MJallday59-poopdamoop
Round 10: poopdamoop-MJallday59-TMACFORMVP-Finger Roll-Warspite-vct33-Booz-calderon13-BlackIce-CellarDoor-bringbackhoffa-bryant08-Johnson-Pistons#1
Round 11: Pistons#1-Johnson-bryant08-bringbackhoffa-CellarDoor-BlackIce-calderon13-Booz-vct33-Warspite-Finger Roll-TMACFORMVP-MJallday59-poopdamoop
Round 12: poopdamoop-MJallday59-TMACFORMVP-Finger Roll-Warspite-vct33-Booz-calderon13-BlackIce-CellarDoor-bringbackhoffa-bryant08-Johnson-Pistons#1

Remember, you can trade picks and/or players.

What exactly is this order? I'd think a more conventional ABBBA route would be simpler. I mean I'm not complaining, because according to this, I'd have three players even before the third round started, but it's kind of confusing.

[poopdamoop]

I think its meant to help people picking in the lower end of the 1st round, like me, because the talent is pretty top heavy, and it tries to balance it out by having the participants with less star talent pick twice in the 2nd round to add some talent. If you notice, some people don't get any picks in the 3rd round because they've had two in the 2nd

[Finger Roll]

Correct, only NBA seasons are valid, and, thus, only NBA players may be selected.

Trades will be allowed both during and after the draft. I must approve all trades, though.

Yes, it is a 3 year peak, and it must be 3 consecutive seasons. Injuries will be considered by us when judging. If, for example, a player missed 100 games during that time but was very effective in the games he did play, I would take that into consideration. Each judge will have a different take on this. It's sort of like when people analyze teams before the season. Most people take proneness to injury into account, but everyone views it a little differently. Remember, each team will be judged by the other 13 participants and possibly outsiders, as well.

Again, when it comes to some other things you mentioned (shortened three point line, handcheck, etc.),
the teams should hypothetically be judged under today's rules, but don't let that sway you too much. These sort of things should be viewed the same way they are viewed when people come up with all time lists. Sure, most people agree that players from the 60s and 70s would be at least SOMEWHAT worse today, but people still often rank many of these players in their all-time top 10. They can't control when they were born, so imagine that those players were born with the medical advantages that modern players enjoy. Try not to overthink this; it's basically the same as compiling a list of the top X players, only you are trying to build a team.