Build an NBA Team (BaNT) - discussion

[vincecarter4pres]

Garnett had an injury last year, he isn't excessively injury prone or run down and done, he just doesn't put up big stats on a stacked team.

[Teddy KGB]

Nowitzki should have been the top pick. Duncan has fallen off, Dirk is clearly a better player as of now. The only reason Duncan gets as much respect for his game now is because of his reputation and how good he WAS. He's towards the bottom of the top 10, possibly even outside it now imo.

[dockingsched]

in real life i probably take dirk, in a game judged by fans i can't take him over duncan.

[BlackIce]

Come on now, Duncan didn't have any help last year and put up monster numbers until the allstar-break, then he fell off because he had no help outside of Parker. Dirk can't anchor a defense, plus Duncan can play center which is quite useful. Dirk isn't bad, he is the best scorer in this league and one of the top rebounders but he isn't better then Duncan. Of course this is just my opinion, I'll shut up now.

Edit: I'd take Dirk in real life as well only because he is younger, but in a win-now league with Duncans rep and defense I'm taking him 1st and Dirk 2nd.

[vincecarter4pres]

IMO, Duncan is still better then Dirk in real life in all facets except scoring and Dirk was always a better scorer.
That's not to say Dirk isn't a great player, cause he certainly is, but still a step behind Timmy in my opinion.

[Snakebites]

Duncan is still an extremely strong defensive player who can play center and has a nice offensive game.

I still think he's the best win now option.

To build a team around long term he's obviously much lower, but my understanding is that that isn't how this game works.

[BlackIce]

Also, when was the last team that has won anything built around a PG?

Frazier, Isiah, etc. but isn't it usually all about building around a C? When when was the last team that has won anything built around a SF?

[vincecarter4pres]

Yeah, this is a win now game, not long term, one of the main reasons for taking Duncan, Dirk and KG as some of the top picks.
If we were building for the future, all 3 of these guys go later.

[SamBone]

this is gonna be fun!

[Snakebites]

Also, when was the last team that has won anything built around a PG?

Frazier, Isiah, etc. but isn't it usually all about building around a C? When when was the last team that has won anything built around a SF?

Frazier may be the first guy on that Knicks team to go in an ATL, but I think its questionable to assert that that team was built around him.

That was a stacked team and Frazier never finished top 4 in an MVP race. Reed won an MVP and two Finals MVPs, though I will grant that Frazier should have gotten it once.

[BlackIce]

Also, when was the last team that has won anything built around a PG?

Frazier, Isiah, etc. but isn't it usually all about building around a C? When when was the last team that has won anything built around a SF?

Frazier may be the first guy on that Knicks team to go in an ATL, but I think its questionable to assert that that team was built around him.

That was a stacked team and Frazier never finished top 4 in an MVP race. Reed won an MVP and two Finals MVPs, though I will grant that Frazier should have gotten it once.

In 69 he had DeBusschere, and Reed was probably just as responsible but still Fraizer was the "co-man" on that team.

[deNIEd]

Also, when was the last team that has won anything built around a PG?

Frazier, Isiah, etc. but isn't it usually all about building around a C? When when was the last team that has won anything built around a SF?

Sorry, but teams within the last 200000 years?

Lol, my point was simply that its hard for a PG to lead a team to a title, especially at my drafting position (where the next player would be the 30-35th best player in the league).

I consider SF a wing, and well you have Kobe, Cav's are close, Jordan, Wade had Shaq, Pierce was IMO one of the main reasons Celtic's ultimately won (KG was the reason they got there, but Pierce was the reason they won it all).

But like I said, I like the guy you picked as well...he was the guy I was debating over lol

[BlackIce]

I don't want to get into an argument. That being said, you could argue Billups was the most important player (finals MVP) on that championship team. Also ya those guys you mentioned are SG's and Pierce had KG (who was arguably more important) and Allen. It is also true that Billups had the Wallace's and Prince/Rip. I think you can win with both Melo or Williams or whoever depending on how you build your team. Goodluck.

[vincecarter4pres]

Especially at my drafting position (where the next player would be the 30-35th best player in the league).

Are you saying Deron Williams is only a 30th to 35th level player?!
He's the 2nd best at his position in the league, a top 15 or at absolute worst top 20 player.

[Snakebites]

Especially at my drafting position (where the next player would be the 30-35th best player in the league).

Are you saying Deron Williams is only a 30th to 35th level player?!
He's the 2nd best at his position in the league, a top 15 or at absolute worst top 20 player.

Thats not what he's saying.

He said that at his drafting position, the next player he gets (his second round selection) would be the 30-35th best player in the league).

He didn't want a PG to be his best player by that wide a margin.

[vincecarter4pres]

Especially at my drafting position (where the next player would be the 30-35th best player in the league).

Are you saying Deron Williams is only a 30th to 35th level player?!
He's the 2nd best at his position in the league, a top 15 or at absolute worst top 20 player.

Thats not what he's saying.

He said that at his drafting position, the next player he gets (his second round selection) would be the 30-35th best player in the league).

He didn't want a PG to be his best player by that wide a margin.

Oh.
My fault, totally misinterpretted that one.
Yeah, I could see that logic.

[Miller4ever]

Youth doesn't factor in at all, does it? This is just straight up the best players as of the end of last season or how well we think they'll do this season?

[Snakebites]

Youth doesn't factor in at all, does it? This is just straight up the best players as of the end of last season or how well we think they'll do this season?

Thats definitely something I'd be interested in knowing. Can we project out to this season?

[SamBone]

I believe it is just building the best TEAM, and how that TEAM matches up against others. My understanding is young/old doesn't matter, it is how the entire team holds up

[Miller4ever]

I have some breakout youths I'm eyeing to steal, but it may just get voted down when the competition really starts. How is this being judged? Peer voting? Because that gets SO thin when people lose interest in the game because they aren't even playing.