BaNT 1st round: BOTTOM BRACKET - 24hr extension to break tie

[CellarDoor]

Sambone v. Gremz

I'm frankly shocked to see someone boasting of Gay's defense. Especially when Pierce is a solid enough defender that you could use him if you're looking at your wing players. (Also, if Rondo's a top defensive player in the league-- as in top 5-- I'll eat my shoe. On Gremz' side..I'm not a fan of the Horford pick so soon, but it's not hurting him here. Kaman has noticeably declined with or without injuries in the recent past. To the point where he's absolutely not better than Horford at anything imo. Boozer's got the edge on AJ, but it's a mutually assured destruction sort of thing except in rebounding where, for all AJ's prowess, Boozer has him beat. If there's one thing Sam's rebuttal proved it's that neither Gay nor Howard are going to be primary factors here. Which is fine as they're both at best third options.

I also tend to agree with Gremz about the Roy/Pierce debate, and I think that with him correctly sagging Bibby off of Rondo that will be enough to swing it his way. Just barely though.

To Sam, as I recall, this is your first time doing this. You weren't talking to me, so I don't know if you had help with your write-up, but it was a very good one. Good job.

Completely agree with Snakebites' last comment. Especially in light of the fact that I wrote out two paragraphs on your match-up.

And BI, my votes were in before the last 6 put their votes in for mine. I withdrew from my bracket as much as possible because I'd rather not influence (directly) my fate. I won 8-2 despite this getting some votes for guys I voted against.

I want to make sure people understand this isn't simply the best team. J2J's team was better. This is about match-ups and write-ups. I lucked out with Perkins to guard Duncan and an absolutely putrid defensive PG rotation. If I'd faced other teams I probably would have lost.

[CellarDoor]

...what the hell? AND I voted against DCash. So all tolled I voted for one mod: Miller's. And I'm sorry, but that one was completely obvious.

[BlackIce]

Sambone v. Gremz

I'm frankly shocked to see someone boasting of Gay's defense. Especially when Pierce is a solid enough defender that you could use him if you're looking at your wing players. (Also, if Rondo's a top defensive player in the league-- as in top 5-- I'll eat my shoe. On Gremz' side..I'm not a fan of the Horford pick so soon, but it's not hurting him here. Kaman has noticeably declined with or without injuries in the recent past. To the point where he's absolutely not better than Horford at anything imo. Boozer's got the edge on AJ, but it's a mutually assured destruction sort of thing except in rebounding where, for all AJ's prowess, Boozer has him beat. If there's one thing Sam's rebuttal proved it's that neither Gay nor Howard are going to be primary factors here. Which is fine as they're both at best third options.

I also tend to agree with Gremz about the Roy/Pierce debate, and I think that with him correctly sagging Bibby off of Rondo that will be enough to swing it his way. Just barely though.

To Sam, as I recall, this is your first time doing this. You weren't talking to me, so I don't know if you had help with your write-up, but it was a very good one. Good job.

Completely agree with Snakebites' last comment. Especially in light of the fact that I wrote out two paragraphs on your match-up.

And BI, my votes were in before the last 6 put their votes in for mine. I withdrew from my bracket as much as possible because I'd rather not influence (directly) my fate. I won 8-2 despite this getting some votes for guys I voted against.

I want to make sure people understand this isn't simply the best team. J2J's team was better. This is about match-ups and write-ups. I lucked out with Perkins to guard Duncan and an absolutely putrid defensive PG rotation. If I'd faced other teams I probably would have lost.

I didn't accuse you of anything. I faced Vintage and he simply didn't vote, maybe one matchup for Miller.

I voted for every matchup, and voted for DCash even though he voted against me. In return for my promptness and descriptions of each and every matchup in my bracket I got voted against by almost everyone I voted against. Thats what I get I should have just not voted.

[dockingsched]

i voted before anyone if i remember correctly. i'm innocent!

[BlackIce]

Its fine just make voting private from now on I'm not going to be bitter about it, just don't want that to happen to someone else.

[CellarDoor]

Sambone v. Gremz

I'm frankly shocked to see someone boasting of Gay's defense. Especially when Pierce is a solid enough defender that you could use him if you're looking at your wing players. (Also, if Rondo's a top defensive player in the league-- as in top 5-- I'll eat my shoe. On Gremz' side..I'm not a fan of the Horford pick so soon, but it's not hurting him here. Kaman has noticeably declined with or without injuries in the recent past. To the point where he's absolutely not better than Horford at anything imo. Boozer's got the edge on AJ, but it's a mutually assured destruction sort of thing except in rebounding where, for all AJ's prowess, Boozer has him beat. If there's one thing Sam's rebuttal proved it's that neither Gay nor Howard are going to be primary factors here. Which is fine as they're both at best third options.

I also tend to agree with Gremz about the Roy/Pierce debate, and I think that with him correctly sagging Bibby off of Rondo that will be enough to swing it his way. Just barely though.

To Sam, as I recall, this is your first time doing this. You weren't talking to me, so I don't know if you had help with your write-up, but it was a very good one. Good job.

Completely agree with Snakebites' last comment. Especially in light of the fact that I wrote out two paragraphs on your match-up.

And BI, my votes were in before the last 6 put their votes in for mine. I withdrew from my bracket as much as possible because I'd rather not influence (directly) my fate. I won 8-2 despite this getting some votes for guys I voted against.

I want to make sure people understand this isn't simply the best team. J2J's team was better. This is about match-ups and write-ups. I lucked out with Perkins to guard Duncan and an absolutely putrid defensive PG rotation. If I'd faced other teams I probably would have lost.

I didn't accuse you of anything. I faced Vintage and he simply didn't vote, maybe one matchup for Miller.

I voted for every matchup, and voted for DCash even though he voted against me. In return for my promptness and descriptions of each and every matchup in my bracket I got voted against by almost everyone I voted against. Thats what I get I should have just not voted.

My point was that despite my voting against 4 people in match-ups (5 really), I got at least 2 of them to vote for me as there were only two against me. If you beat your opponent you beat them. If you leave room for discussion, you're taking a chance no matter when you vote.

[Miller4ever]

...what the hell? AND I voted against DCash. So all tolled I voted for one mod: Miller's. And I'm sorry, but that one was completely obvious.

Damn right it was.

In many of the matchups, also, if you took away the vote of the mods, it wouldn't have made a difference.

[SamBone]

To Sam, as I recall, this is your first time doing this. You weren't talking to me, so I don't know if you had help with your write-up, but it was a very good one. Good job.

I want to make sure people understand this isn't simply the best team. J2J's team was better. This is about match-ups and write-ups.

1st of all, Cellar you were one of the few that did post a reason, and thank you for that. The matchup is over, and no hard fealings, but you say it is all in the wrire-up, which you say i did a good job. You said your reasons and I also had factual rebutals for what you wrote and Gremz write. What arguement did I not answer with real life stats? And where did Gremz writup anything to contracdict any of my facts?

I also can not understand how you can hold me saying the Rondo is one of the best defensive PG's in this game against me, when the fact the he was 2nd team all nba defense (with 4 of the 5 1st teamers not in this game). But that is your opinion.

Good luck to all survivors

[VintaGe36]

A decent defensive C > a good defensive PG...

[Gremz]

Good game SamBone. Sorry for not putting up any rebuttals, I'm normally all for it, but have been slammed at work.

[SamBone]

Good game SamBone. Sorry for not putting up any rebuttals, I'm normally all for it, but have been slammed at work.

good luck man

[deNIEd]

baron davis shot 42% in the preseason, shot 37% last yr, and shoots 41% for his career, this is a guy thats going to torch me?

you have ZERO post scorers despite your claim that JO is going to somehow score inside. zero post scoring + relying on a super inefficient pg to score on me = absolute disaster. and pietrus shot 41% last yr for 9 ppg, you just don't care about efficient scoring.

Clearly Homer's are better
Harris - 14 pts, 6 reb, 8 ast, 1 stl, 4 TO, 30.8% FG
Salmons - 10 pts, 3 reb, 2 ast, 3 stl, 2 TO, 20% FG
Posey - 1 pt, 0 reb, 1 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 0 TO
Lewis - Hurt
Jefferson - 9 pts, 4 reb, 2 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 22.2% FG

Compared to
Davis - 7 pts, 3 reb, 10 ast, 3.5 stl, 1.5 blk, 23.8% FG
Hamilton - 25 pts, 3 reb, 4 ast, 1 stl, 0 TO, 52.6% FG
Anthony - 35.5 pts, 7 reb, 4 ast, 1 ast, 53.7% FG
Pietrus - 13 pts, 4 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl, 1 TO, 45.5% FG
O'Neal - 22 pts, 12 reb, 4 ast, 83.3% FG
Camby - 18.5 pts, 8.5 reb, 3.5 ast, 2 stl, 1.5 blk, 63% FG
Aldridge - 11 pts, 6 reb, 1 ast, 1 blk, 50% FG
Blair - 10 pts, 7.5 reb, 76.9% FG
Deng - 17 pts, 9 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 1 TO, 61.5% FG

Cleeeeeeeeeearrrly

[Miller4ever]

^^Dude, you didn't use Aldridge enough.

[deNIEd]

^^Dude, you didn't use Aldridge enough.

28 minutes a game isn't enough?

[Miller4ever]

When compared to your other post guys, I might've bumped him up to 32.

[deNIEd]

When compared to your other post guys, I might've bumped him up to 32.

4 minutes doesn't make or break a series.

And I also clearly stated, that whenever Lewis wasn't at PF, Aldridge would be in the game. Reason being, Lewis has a matchup advantage over Aldridge, while Melo has both an offense and defensive advantage against Lewis.

The mistake I made was taking better but less hyped players, clearly picking worse hyped up players is the way to go.

[VintaGe36]

When compared to your other post guys, I might've bumped him up to 32.

4 minutes doesn't make or break a series.

And I also clearly stated, that whenever Lewis wasn't at PF, Aldridge would be in the game. Reason being, Lewis has a matchup advantage over Aldridge, while Melo has both an offense and defensive advantage against Lewis.

The mistake I made was taking better but less hyped players, clearly picking worse hyped up players is the way to go.

You took Baron Davis with your 3rd pick, have a frontcourt rotation of the overrated Camby, and the corpse of Jermaine Oneal, and tried talking up Melo's defense, which has improved, but isn't nearly as good as it could or should be right now.

Funny how you base it off of ONE or TWO games this season, instead ALL of last season, which is what you was supposed to do...

seriously, stop being bitter.

[deNIEd]

You took Baron Davis with your 3rd pick, have a frontcourt rotation of the overrated Camby, and the corpse of Jermaine Oneal, and tried talking up Melo's defense, which has improved, but isn't nearly as good as it could or should be right now.

Funny how you base it off of ONE or TWO games this season, instead ALL of last season, which is what you was supposed to do...

seriously, stop being bitter.

I'm not being bitter.

I like how you left out Aldridge from my frontcourt rotation.

I based my selections and matchups based off of how players will do this season. Come back in a week, come back in a month, or at the end of the season. The players are drafted will all have much better years.

[bcortell]

You took Baron Davis with your 3rd pick, have a frontcourt rotation of the overrated Camby, and the corpse of Jermaine Oneal, and tried talking up Melo's defense, which has improved, but isn't nearly as good as it could or should be right now.

Funny how you base it off of ONE or TWO games this season, instead ALL of last season, which is what you was supposed to do...

seriously, stop being bitter.

I'm not being bitter.

I like how you left out Aldridge from my frontcourt rotation.

I based my selections and matchups based off of how players will do this season. Come back in a week, come back in a month, or at the end of the season. The players are drafted will all have much better years.

Then you played the game wrong... and you lost.