Future Draft Games

[Laimbeer]

I liked the games with the accolade restrictions that limited how much star power you could load up. How about a limit for ASG appearances? Say you can only have 30 total on your roster, so if you pick LeBron you've only got 15 remaining. Maybe set a minimum of 10 seasons for current players to prevent younger stars like Giannis and AD from being overpowered.

It wouldn't be a perfect measure of player quality, but it would force you to actually build around stars as opposed to just piling up as many of them as you can.

I like this too, but why not make a minimum of ten seasons for everyone? Someone like Walton would be too cheap. Or maybe he's an anomaly - haven't really looked.

Walton does have 10 seasons so the minimum wouldn't affect him. I was actually thinking about an 80s to now time frame anyway. There would still be some anomalies there - mainly guys who had their primes curtailed by injury - but nothing near the level of peak Walton.

My real concern is deciding on the limit. I initially had 25 in mind, but that seems to harshly punish guys like Kareem (19) and Kobe (18). On the other hand, is 30 restrictive enough?

Maybe 25 with a 15 max per player?

[Fadeaway_J]

I like this too, but why not make a minimum of ten seasons for everyone? Someone like Walton would be too cheap. Or maybe he's an anomaly - haven't really looked.

Walton does have 10 seasons so the minimum wouldn't affect him. I was actually thinking about an 80s to now time frame anyway. There would still be some anomalies there - mainly guys who had their primes curtailed by injury - but nothing near the level of peak Walton.

My real concern is deciding on the limit. I initially had 25 in mind, but that seems to harshly punish guys like Kareem (19) and Kobe (18). On the other hand, is 30 restrictive enough?

Maybe 25 with a 15 max per player?

Eh, that only rules out two players anyway. Might as well just leave it as is and then let people decide whether or not they want to take on the challenge.

[Laimbeer]

Since you did the leg work go ahead and make the call. I'm good with draft or non-draft as well as allowing a certain number of titles, though I'd want to keep it no more than three.

Let's play the up to 3 wins player pool game.

Draft or non-draft? Era? You want to do it, I can, or anyone.

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[Tony Snell]

Let's play the up to 3 wins player pool game.

Draft or non-draft? Era? You want to do it, I can, or anyone.

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Sorry, somehow I missed your first post. If we are doing 3 wins, I think that the pool is big enough to do a draft.

[Fadeaway_J]

I like this too, but why not make a minimum of ten seasons for everyone? Someone like Walton would be too cheap. Or maybe he's an anomaly - haven't really looked.

Walton does have 10 seasons so the minimum wouldn't affect him. I was actually thinking about an 80s to now time frame anyway. There would still be some anomalies there - mainly guys who had their primes curtailed by injury - but nothing near the level of peak Walton.

My real concern is deciding on the limit. I initially had 25 in mind, but that seems to harshly punish guys like Kareem (19) and Kobe (18). On the other hand, is 30 restrictive enough?

Maybe 25 with a 15 max per player?

Just realised what you meant here (I think): basically Kobe and Kareem would only count for 15 even though they had more in reality. That seems like a simple enough solution.

[Dr Positivity]

I don't think Kobe or Kareem would get drafted at 18/19 ASG. So I would be ok with capping it at 15, or just letting them not be in the draft

[Fadeaway_J]

I don't think Kobe or Kareem would get drafted at 18/19 ASG. So I would be ok with capping it at 15, or just letting them not be in the draft

I'd just cap it since it's only those two players being affected. The alternative would be to raise the limit which would remove a lot of the challenge.

[ardee]

Let's do declining percentages next. Been over a year I think, there's been participant turnover too.

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[8on]

Ideas:

1. The Six Year Plan (any period in any round)

Period 1: 2012-13 to 2017-18
Period 2: 2006-07 to 2011-12
Period 3: 2000-01 to 2005-06
Period 4: 1994-95 to 1999-00
Period 5: 1988-89 to 1993-94
Period 6: 1982-83 to 1987-88
Period 7: 1976-77 to 1981-82
Period 8: 1970-71 to 1975-76

2. Time Machine: Everyone drafts in the same time period in the same round

Round 1: 2013-14 to 2017-18
Round 2: 2008-09 to 2012-13
Round 3: 2003-04 to 2007-08
Round 4: 1998-99 to 2002-03
Round 5: 1993-94 to 1997-98
Round 6: 1988-89 to 1992-93
Round 7: 1983-84 to 1987-88
Round 8: 1978-79 to 1982-83

(I admit the time periods are a little wacky. The reason is that I don't want the A side to have too much of an advantage)

3. Hall of Fame - Hall of Famers only

4. The Franchise Chain - Pick any player in Round 1. Your next player must use a season in which he played for a franchise he has in common with your previous pick.

5. All Time Stat Leaders - Pick any season of any player who is top 10 for his career in any stat (basic or advanced) in the regular season. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/

6. Small Ball - All players must have attempted 50 3s or more in the regular season, OR shoot better than 75% from the free throw line

7. Offense only - All players must have a TS% above 57

8. Defense only - All players must have a DBPM above 0 or DWS above 2

9. The Expendables - Only players who have played for three or more franchises

10. Modern History - 2014-15 to 2017-18

11. Five All-Stars - You must draft five players who were All-Stars at one point in their career.

12. March Madness Revisited - Draft any player who went to one of the 68 colleges in the NCAA tournament bracket. https://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/public/styles/focal_point_large/public-s3/images/2019/03/18/2019-NCAA-bracket-March-Madness.jpg

[euroleague]

2. Time Machine: Everyone drafts in the same time period in the same round

Round 1: 2013-14 to 2017-18
Round 2: 2008-09 to 2012-13
Round 3: 2003-04 to 2007-08
Round 4: 1998-99 to 2002-03
Round 5: 1993-94 to 1997-98
Round 6: 1988-89 to 1992-93
Round 7: 1983-84 to 1987-88
Round 8: 1978-79 to 1982-83

(I admit the time periods are a little wacky. The reason is that I don't want the A side to have too much of an advantage)

This favors 1st picks really highly.

It may be fun with 8 people, but any more and 1st picks become too powerful. picking 8th out of 16 every round just can't compete

A side: Curry Shaq Magic Dr J
B side: Dirk Nash Hakeem Larry Bird

vs 8th picks....

it would be better if the picks rotated 1/4 each round. so if you pick first, next round you pick 16th, then 11th, then 6th, then 1st again. that way everyone gets a first pick

[8on]

2. Time Machine: Everyone drafts in the same time period in the same round

Round 1: 2013-14 to 2017-18
Round 2: 2008-09 to 2012-13
Round 3: 2003-04 to 2007-08
Round 4: 1998-99 to 2002-03
Round 5: 1993-94 to 1997-98
Round 6: 1988-89 to 1992-93
Round 7: 1983-84 to 1987-88
Round 8: 1978-79 to 1982-83

(I admit the time periods are a little wacky. The reason is that I don't want the A side to have too much of an advantage)

This favors 1st picks really highly.

It may be fun with 8 people, but any more and 1st picks become too powerful. picking 8th out of 16 every round just can't compete

A side: Curry Shaq Magic Dr J
B side: Dirk Nash Hakeem Larry Bird

vs 8th picks....

it would be better if the picks rotated 1/4 each round. so if you pick first, next round you pick 16th, then 11th, then 6th, then 1st again. that way everyone gets a first pick

Round 1: 2010-11 to 2017-18
Round 2: 2005-06 to 2009-10
Round 3: 2000-01 to 2007-08
Round 4: 1995-96 to 1999-00
Round 5: 1990-91 to 1994-95
Round 6: 1985-86 to 1989-90
Round 7: 1980-81 to 1984-85
Round 8: 1976-77 to 1979-80

This might make more sense. The question is how long you're willing to wait to spend FGAs. B side should be competitive.

[Dr Positivity]

2. Time Machine: Everyone drafts in the same time period in the same round

Round 1: 2013-14 to 2017-18
Round 2: 2008-09 to 2012-13
Round 3: 2003-04 to 2007-08
Round 4: 1998-99 to 2002-03
Round 5: 1993-94 to 1997-98
Round 6: 1988-89 to 1992-93
Round 7: 1983-84 to 1987-88
Round 8: 1978-79 to 1982-83

(I admit the time periods are a little wacky. The reason is that I don't want the A side to have too much of an advantage)

This favors 1st picks really highly.

It may be fun with 8 people, but any more and 1st picks become too powerful. picking 8th out of 16 every round just can't compete

A side: Curry Shaq Magic Dr J
B side: Dirk Nash Hakeem Larry Bird

vs 8th picks....

it would be better if the picks rotated 1/4 each round. so if you pick first, next round you pick 16th, then 11th, then 6th, then 1st again. that way everyone gets a first pick

I agree with the rotation idea for the reasons you listed and because it'd also be an advantage planning wise for the top and bottom picks if their spots were guaranteed. For example if you knew you were picking first from 94-98 you would be guaranteed Jordan. Add in same person picking first in other rounds and it becomes obviously overpowered in a hurry

[8on]

2. Time Machine: Everyone drafts in the same time period in the same round

Round 1: 2013-14 to 2017-18
Round 2: 2008-09 to 2012-13
Round 3: 2003-04 to 2007-08
Round 4: 1998-99 to 2002-03
Round 5: 1993-94 to 1997-98
Round 6: 1988-89 to 1992-93
Round 7: 1983-84 to 1987-88
Round 8: 1978-79 to 1982-83

(I admit the time periods are a little wacky. The reason is that I don't want the A side to have too much of an advantage)

This favors 1st picks really highly.

It may be fun with 8 people, but any more and 1st picks become too powerful. picking 8th out of 16 every round just can't compete

A side: Curry Shaq Magic Dr J
B side: Dirk Nash Hakeem Larry Bird

vs 8th picks....

it would be better if the picks rotated 1/4 each round. so if you pick first, next round you pick 16th, then 11th, then 6th, then 1st again. that way everyone gets a first pick

I agree with the rotation idea for the reasons you listed and because it'd also be an advantage planning wise for the top and bottom picks if their spots were guaranteed. For example if you knew you were picking first from 94-98 you would be guaranteed Jordan. Add in same person picking first in other rounds and it becomes obviously overpowered in a hurry

so what if you pick second?

[Laimbeer]

This favors 1st picks really highly.

It may be fun with 8 people, but any more and 1st picks become too powerful. picking 8th out of 16 every round just can't compete

A side: Curry Shaq Magic Dr J
B side: Dirk Nash Hakeem Larry Bird

vs 8th picks....

it would be better if the picks rotated 1/4 each round. so if you pick first, next round you pick 16th, then 11th, then 6th, then 1st again. that way everyone gets a first pick

I agree with the rotation idea for the reasons you listed and because it'd also be an advantage planning wise for the top and bottom picks if their spots were guaranteed. For example if you knew you were picking first from 94-98 you would be guaranteed Jordan. Add in same person picking first in other rounds and it becomes obviously overpowered in a hurry

so what if you pick second?

I'd say just rotate one spot so everyone gets a first, a second, etc.

You could also not assign the time period to a round until the previous round is completed. At the end of each round, randomly pick a time period to be up next. The team orders for all rounds would be set at the beginning, so you wouldn't know which time period you're drafting in what position until that round comes up. Might add some spice.

I'm also wondering if we need to protect the later time periods by only allowing all-NBA or better players to be drafted in the period their reached their win share peak. Those last ones could get picked over.

[8on]

This is getting pretty complicated. I feel like each side will be protected by the teams who wait for a certain player.

How about random five year periods? Random.org generates a year between 1976-77 and 2013-14 at the beginning of each round.

[ardee]

This is getting pretty complicated. I feel like each side will be protected by the teams who wait for a certain player.

How about random five year periods? Random.org generates a year between 1976-77 and 2013-14 at the beginning of each round.

I am down. Get this started soon, declining is almost done

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[8on]

This is getting pretty complicated. I feel like each side will be protected by the teams who wait for a certain player.

How about random five year periods? Random.org generates a year between 1976-77 and 2013-14 at the beginning of each round.

I am down. Get this started soon, declining is almost done

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I'll start sign-ups tomorrow.

[Laimbeer]

This is getting pretty complicated. I feel like each side will be protected by the teams who wait for a certain player.

How about random five year periods? Random.org generates a year between 1976-77 and 2013-14 at the beginning of each round.

I am down. Get this started soon, declining is almost done

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I'll start sign-ups tomorrow.

I could be wrong, but I think the people at the each end are going to have a very big advantage.

[Fadeaway_J]

I am down. Get this started soon, declining is almost done

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I'll start sign-ups tomorrow.

I could be wrong, but I think the people at the each end are going to have a very big advantage.

I agree. They'll split the best available picks from each era between them.

[8on]

I'll start sign-ups tomorrow.

I could be wrong, but I think the people at the each end are going to have a very big advantage.

I agree. They'll split the best available picks from each era between them.

Not if the players don't fit, or they already took someone at that position, or they don't have the FGAs. It will be impossible to plan, which means no one has an advantage.

Another consideration is that you might not want to spend the FGAs on an off-peak season of that player, e.g. Orlando Shaq.

There might be some overlap, which means there might not be as much talent left in a period we already used.

I don't know how it will play out. Let's find out.